IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence

[the_leander]

How is the performance of an Atom compared to 1 core of a Core2duo?

An Atom is roughly clock for clock about as fast as a Pentium 3, so it's a little slower than a Pentium M at the same clock which is itself a little slower than a Core Solo, CoreDuo is two Core Solos and is slower than C2D by a reasonable margin (not to mention quite a bit hotter).

You're realisitically looking at around at less than a quarter of the speed of a C2D with an Atom. With the newer i3,i5 and i7 gear that performance gap is only going to increase.

[the_leander]

People seem to be missing the point.

No I'm well aware of the point thanks, I was simply asking a direct question with a (very rough) comparison between different processors.

This 1.6 GHZ Atom-base Amiga-like unit costs $300USD.  What you should be comparing it to is a SAM.  It probably outperforms SAM and is 1/3 the cost too boot and is SILENT and has a nice case and mounts behind a monitor.

I would imagine even with a GMA500 the graphics chip is far more capable as well, oh and it'll have working USB...

Does AROS have an integrated UAE type emulation layer like MorphOS or Amithlon?

Congrats to Stephen!  Now if only SSD prices would drop. ;-)

Hear hear.

[the_leander]

Just google "o1i"

Oh rock on!

Cheers Matt

[the_leander]

Thread Title: "IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence"

Key word here is "Silence" which means:

Only people who like to adulterate already crappy HW to run a fake AmigaOS would like this,

Way to dismiss and belittle tens of thousands of hours of developers hard work in building a ground up opensource re-implimentation of the AmigaOS.

I would also point out that the hardware in question packs a bigger punch in every respect than a Sam440 and does so for around a third of the cost. Oh and its mass produced which means people buying into AROS won't have to silently pray to the gods of hardware that today isn't the day your system dies because there is no replacement.

 eventually there will be nothing left of the unique community that I love.

Newsflash chum: AROS has been around for far longer than you have been around and will l(thanks to being OSS) be here long after the last A1 and Sam die of old age.

I don't ever want to see x86 and AmigaOS in this way, e=verytime I do reminds me of the pollution of this community. Who, would want to help teh very company who killed the Amiga? I don't.

Look, just because you get a hardon over ridiculously overpriced and underspecced niche hardware doesn't mean that the rest of us have to follow your fetish.

Oh and quit it with the hyperbole, the only company that killed Amiga was Commodore, but then again I've come to expect such nonsense historical revisionism from the new wave of name followers such as yourself.

Also, to the mods who erased my gesture, you really are absentee most of the time, why, the finger doesn't even mean F-U in all cultures, whereas a$$, $hit,f#ck all mean the same no matter what way you spell it. It really isn't fair to give me an infraction at all.

Oh don't play the innocent, you got an infraction and deserved it. Trying to wriggle out of it like this is just makes you look even more pathetic. I would also suggest that the reason for the infraction was precisely because your posts were belittling the efforts of people who actually know their stuff and are actively trying to improve support for the platform as a whole, even if you don't happen to agree with the direction of this fork.

@Kolla

Yay, you learned how to say "donkey" another way, lets applaud you shall we?

Yes, lets, because it was also well earned, so here you are Kolla:

[the_leander]

since when did amiga become about exclusion ?

Since the latest batch of mindless namefollowing BAFs appeared on the scene.

[the_leander]

baf ?

You don't want to know. Lets just say that its a not nice way of referring the more fundamentalist set within the community.

--edit--

Meh, sod it, if I get infracted I get infracted..

BAF = Blind Amiga Fanatic

Although I've read other, harsher (and likely TOS breaking) variations on this theme.

[the_leander]

Except its not.  There is not a single line of AmigaOS code in it, nor is it compatible with any Amiga hardware

Which part of Open Source re-implementation are you having trouble with? I should also point out that there was quite a bit of AROS code in AOS 3.5 and 3.9, so even that statement isn't true.

So what?  It won't run anything written for AmigaOS 4 and above, and it can't run Amiga OS 3.x software natively.  As a fun PC OS its OK, and congratulations to those who developed it and provide NW for it, but an Amiga it is not.

Google "o1i"

AROS is AmigaOS API compatible and will run AmigaOS software if recompiled for it. o1i will (eventually) enable it to run AOS apps natively ala Amithlon/MorphOS. In the mean time I believe there is a port of UAE available for AROS.

It probably never will run OS4 apps using an emulation layer but tbh I really can't help but think that that is a good thing - too much in OS4 feedback I see on various boards comes back as hinky.

And just beacsue you get a hard on about open-source x86 PC OS's

See, this is what I love about you BAFs - you assume that the rest of the world must have some comparable fetish for their given point of view.

I'll state again what I've said to several of your mouthbreathing comrades:

I do not give a toss what platform I am using so long as it provides me with the tools I want and need to do the things I do day to day. The underlying hardware platform is equally unimportant so long as it provides the appropriate performance for the tasks at hand and does so at a reasonable cost.  

Read and understand.

No the reason is that this place has turned into a place where anything goes:

1.  if a handful of the more frequent visitors agree with you.

Or you could oh, I don't know, back up your claims with facts. That tends to go down nicely around here. Watch anyone make a blatantly incorrect statement and see them get corrected, then shot down if they ignore the correction and carry on - regardless of how popular you are(n't).

2.  its OK for the said handful to belittle, insult (words like pathetic, deluded, dense) if you don't agree with their POV

What, you mean like you do regularly when faced with anyone who doesn't slavishly follow your views on teh oNe TrU CoMputAr?

3. if you are a mod.

That's a delicious line in BAWWWWing you have there.

And what f'en fork are you talking about.  AROS is not a fork of AmigaOS.

Its a fork in the community.

dreamcast270mhz:  where you went wrong is that you expressed an opinion that didn't agree with the majority one here.  In future refrain from having an opinion and just say you like "whatever anyone else likes"

Grow up.

Where he went wrong was in belittling (intentionally or not) the efforts of people who have poured tens of thousands of man hours into this project (which itself had parts of it put in both AOS and MorphOS) without any provocation or reason - no other reason.

[the_leander]

Well it does say Aros, IMICA and Atom in the thread title, so if you come in this thread complaining it isn't OCS/ECS/AGA hardware or Amiga OS4 etc etc then what was the point?

I do believe we have a winner gentlemen.

$0.02 well spent, sir.

[the_leander]

Its pretty much the same reason that any amiga video on youtube will attract a bunch of wankers going "can it play crysis!!!??? LOL!!!"

Welcome to the internet, where trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls is a way of life.

[the_leander]

The bit where NONE of AmigaOS is re-iplemented.

Right, so there is absolutely no API compatibility at all with AmigaOS at all then... If you say so. You might want to explain that to the AROS folks, because they seem to be under the mistaken impression that that's what they've been working toward pretty much since the death of C=.

Thank goodness you and your single semester of programming gave you the expertise to spot this gaping flaw in their work!

Its an x86 OS that aims to run in the spirit of Amiga, whatever that is.

It's an API compatible (and soon a binary compatible) re-implimentation of AmigaOS. Just as much as the Natami/Minimig are re-implimentations of the hardware.

"natively"=68ki run under a 68 k processor.  Anything else is a form of emulation,

Oh I do believe he's getting the hint!

No you do.

Prove it.

Most of the above is besides the point.  Here I'll dumb it down for you.  I don't particularly care for your opinion, but I'll respect that you are entitled to express that opinion free from any fear of ridicule, abuse or belittlement

Lies.

Unlike most of your posts which come across as condescending smart-arse hollier than thou drivel.

Projection much?

As opposed to slavishly following yours

Nope. If you want to follow the one true path that's fantastic. But slamming the hard work of others is not on.

There's a big difference in the way they OP responded to the criticims with articulate, respectful comments and they way you and the other dude did with references about pissing in cornflakes did.

There is indeed, ours were funnier.

An amiga it aint.

In your opinion.

[the_leander]

As far as I know AROS is opting for UAE integration:

Did you check out the o1i or is that something different again?

Speaking of which, is there "Unity" mode in the AROS UAE integration yet?

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