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Offline ZeBeeDeeTopic starter

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Tutorial request
« on: May 06, 2007, 12:59:38 AM »
As CF cards seem to be getting popular in replacing internal hard drives for Amiga's, does anyone know of or is able to provide a "How to"?
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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2007, 04:52:20 AM »
1. Connect using CF->IDE adaptor.
2. Use HDToolbox.
3. Done.

Though some models seem to be troublesome with Amigas, so it's hit or miss.
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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2007, 08:51:07 AM »
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Matt_H wrote:
1. Connect using CF->IDE adaptor.
2. Use HDToolbox.
3. Done.

Though some models seem to be troublesome with Amigas, so it's hit or miss.


I've seen those adapters @ Fry's Electronics.  I can't imagine that the access speeds are the same, though.  CF has got to be slower, but by how much?
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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2007, 09:15:05 AM »
CF is faster.

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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2007, 09:53:23 AM »
HDToolBox might complain that unit is not a disk, but "type 7". This propably because the CF card, which is running in IDE-mode, reports itself as a removable device. This caused HDToolBox not to save disk parameters correctly, if I recall correctly. There's a patch on aminet that should fix it and remove that error message and let HDToolBox operate in the usual way. http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/HDToolBoxPatch You also need the right version of the patching program to be able apply those patches.
Ebay might be a place to look for some chinese made adapters.
an ebay.de listing
I made my own adapter http://www.iki.fi/mkl/ide2cf/a6i2cf.html
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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2007, 10:46:23 AM »
Wow! I'm going to seriously think about doing that! Hmm, 2 or 4GB and removable, perhaps... and maybe peeping out through the PCMCIA slot... Heck, I might even cut a slot into the top/back/side of the case...
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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2007, 11:40:16 AM »
i haven an 8 Gig cf card in my a1200, thru a buffered 4-way splitter. Works great and the machine boots superfast!

The adapter is mounted on a bracket so the card is ejectable from the backside (with power off ofcourse).

But in Os 3.1 it reported the card as 138 mb, or something around there. But in 3.9 it works perfectly, hdtoolbox detects size correctly.
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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2007, 11:45:45 AM »
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CF is faster.

 Well i was always bypassing CF related posts but that sounds tempting. :-)
 How are things price-wise. Is a 10GB CF much more expensive that a 10BG IDE HD?

 Also, is this CD -> IDE adaptor an Amiga specific device? Will i still be able to attach a second IDE/ATAPI device to the IDE port?
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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2007, 11:52:55 AM »
@AmigaMance


Prices:
CF adapter, 30 euro ($40)
4 Gb cf card, depending on speed: between 48 to 61 euros ($65-82).
8 Gb cf card 119 euro ($161).

The adapter is not amiga specific, and some adaptors have a master/slave jumper, some have not
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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2007, 12:02:13 PM »
@ravnen
 Hey, you answered all of my questions. Thank you.
 Yeah... They are a bit pricy but they may worth the money depending on how faster they are from a standard IDE HD. I would stick to HDs if the gain is not big.
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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2007, 03:22:32 PM »
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mrmkl wrote:
HDToolBox might complain that unit is not a disk, but "type 7". This propably because the CF card, which is running in IDE-mode, reports itself as a removable device. This caused HDToolBox not to save disk parameters correctly, if I recall correctly. There's a patch on aminet that should fix it and remove that error message and let HDToolBox operate in the usual way. http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/HDToolBoxPatch You also need the right version of the patching program to be able apply those patches.
Ebay might be a place to look for some chinese made adapters.
an ebay.de listing
I made my own adapter http://www.iki.fi/mkl/ide2cf/a6i2cf.html


 8-) Interesting stuff thanks  :pint:

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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2007, 05:07:46 PM »
If it was that simple, I would have done it ages ago!

Oh wait a minute ...

Cheap Chinese 44pin Dual CF card adapter - Check!
128mb CF card for Workbench 3.1 formatted as 'type 7' and bootable - Check!
4GB CF card for WHDLoad images and sundries formatted as 'type 7' - Check!

Atomic batteries to power ... turbines to speed ... DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA BATMAN!  :-D

w00t! Workbench in less than 2 seconds ... now THATS impressive hehehe

P.S. No patch required ... Used original 3.1 HD Install disc.
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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2007, 05:58:30 PM »
Nobody has yet mentioned the downside of Flash memory, so I'll mention it now. Flash memory, including Compact Flash, has limited rewrite cycles. This can be as low as 100,000, or as high as several million depending on the quality of the card. Once any given sector has exceeded its maximum number of rewrite cycles, it is in danger of becoming corrupt.

Some expensive CF cards keep track of how many rewrite cycles each sector has had. If a sector exceeds this amount, the data is moved to a different sector, and the sector which exceeded the rewrite cycle limit is marked as bad.

For this reason, Flash Memory is not really suitable as a hard drive replacement if you intend to make lots of changes to the contents of the disk. AmigaOS is better suited to a Flash drive as the OS itself doesn't need to write to the disk (unlike Windows, which seems to write constantly :roll:)

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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2007, 10:30:10 PM »
@ moto

Some more interesting stuff there thanks mate :pint:


@ ZeBeeDee

So you've now actually booted into a Compact Flash card on the IDE header of an A1200 Desktop? Prehaps you could give us a bit of a detailed tutorial as so far I've only booted into a 2.5" internal hard drive with an A1200 desktop, and then used a CF card as an Amiga formatted hot swappable disk on the PCMCIA slot.

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Re: Tutorial request
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2007, 10:35:58 PM »
@A4000_Mad
As I mentioned erlier in this thread, I have this configuration on my a1200 (thru a 4way buffered device). Works very nice. In Os3.9 It pops up in hdtoolbox just like any other harddrive, I have used this on two systems, and no manual configuration has been required.
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