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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: on April 04, 2003, 10:53:41 PM
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Seeing as Genesi are giving MorphOS away for free (as in beer) already, I think it would be advantages for them to completely corner the Amiga market by releasing the source under the GPL licence. It would increase adoption of the OS considerably. Maybe a merger with the AROS code?
Is there any legal reason you can't do this BBRV?
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Why should they ?
All people who have a clue about OS-coding in this market
allready work for them or on AROS which shares some sources
:-P :flame: :quickdraw: :shocked:
(should be enough grim-balls).
MorphOS is their main piece of capital and without control
about everybody could just use it in a way that wouldn't bring
in money.
Making MorphOS mandatory with every Pegasos makes sure it gets
disrtibuted and used by 3rd party developers.
Releasing a free version for the Phase5-HW would gain MOS a quite
big market-share against OS4. If they manage to release it before
OS4 it might even be the last punch to make OS4 fail.
But that is not the main reason for making it free, AFAIK they
have decided that releasing a commercial OS for the AA-Amigas (and
worst of it th A1200) with all the hacks and add-ony, the ageing
HW, the obscure SW .... would be a GIGANTIC support problem, and
in that case they would be forced to secure a working OS for
every config, while a free OS is just a "if it don't run it
won't run " affair.
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mdma wrote:
Seeing as Genesi are giving MorphOS away for free (as in beer) already, I think it would be advantages for them to completely corner the Amiga market by releasing the source under the GPL licence. It would increase adoption of the OS considerably. Maybe a merger with the AROS code?
Is there any legal reason you can't do this BBRV?
oh, I would LOVE to have the source code to morphos!!!
I would really benefit - im sure i would! :-P
however, do you think the creators would get anything out of it? more sales? more profit? more anything??
certainly, if i had my own OS i would not give the source away! it would put me out of business!!!
:-o
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Giving away MorphOS for free is one thing but to release the source code is suicide.
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>I think it would be advantages for them to
>completely corner the Amiga market by releasing
>the source under the GPL licence.
Genesi has to pay its full time developers.
>Maybe a merger with the AROS code?
They already do code sharing.
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Maybe a merger with the AROS code?
AROS code is rather broken and isn't very useful in praxis. AFAIR, MOS coders looked at AROS as a potential starting point for MOS in the very beginning. They rejected it as unworkable.
Edit: That's not exactly true - they used it for some parts of the code as a starting point - but had to mostly rewrite and fix it.
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>AROS code is rather broken and isn't very useful in
>praxis
MorphOS uses AROS code. The advantage for the
AROS team is that their source code gets tested
using real applications.
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Seeing as Genesi are giving MorphOS away for free (as in beer) already, I think it would be advantages for them to completely corner the Amiga market by releasing the source under the GPL licence. It would increase adoption of the OS considerably. Maybe a merger with the AROS code?
Is there any legal reason you can't do this BBRV?
Why should they realese the MOS source?
It would be suicide.
But releasing the improvements they might have done to the AROS parts they are using would be a good thing.
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Dan wrote:
But releasing the improvements they might have done to the AROS parts they are using would be a good thing.
MorphOS is fully complying with the AROS-licence, which means
they allways released any changes made to the used AROS-
modules and feeded them back to AROS.
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Why would it be suicide?
Q. What would they lose?
A. Nothing.
Q.What would they gain?
A. Massive market share, and all the benefits of the OSS community.
For example
Why buy AOS4 when you can download MOS-GPL for free. Run it on your old hardware for a while. Then, when it comes to buying new hardware, you buy a Peg2/3/4/5 (or whatever) as you are used to using MOS and all your software is written for MOS as it has the biggest user base. Is it suicide for RedHat, SuSE, et al releasing their code? No it isn't.
It would kill AOS4 dead if they released the code.
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AROS code is rather broken and isn't very useful in praxis.
Care to elaborate?
AFAIR, MOS coders looked at AROS as a potential starting point for MOS in the very beginning. They rejected it as unworkable.
Funny, since MOS uses a lot of AROS code...
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I really don't see why releasing the code is so much more of a holy grail than having a free binary download. An OS is NOT something you change and recompile on a daily basis. I suspect it's already quite easy to get access to the codebase for someone who wants to port it to other systems or help out improving it.
Please stop acting like RMS is god and all applications should be © FSF, ok?
I actually prefer a real open source license, like the BSD license. With the deletion of the advertising clause this license is pretty much perfect. Personal interpretation: "Use it, modify it do whatever the hell you want. But I made the original version, and I want credit for that."
Flames go, as usual, to NIL:
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>Q. What would they lose?
>A. Nothing.
What about money ? They want to sell their hardware and if the OS is released with its source code, every other manufacturer out there could use it for their own agenda (manufature a set top box or whatever is Genesi's goal).
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I actually prefer a real open source license,
There are a lot more of "real open source" licenses than the BSD one, and I think you'll be surprised to know that GPL, for instance, is a "real open source" license.
FREE CLUE (http://www.opensource.org/).
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There are a lot more of "real open source" licenses than the BSD one, and I think you'll be surprised to know that GPL, for instance, is a "real open source" license.
Well said.
I think that AROS is poised to be much more widely used than MOS due to it's OSS licence.
Amiga died due to being closed. You can't argue with that.
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Amiga died due to being closed. You can't argue with that.
.. No, it didn't.
Amiga died because Commodore went bankrupt.
The controlling force behind the Amiga market disappeared, and all that was left was a bunch of diehards (some owned a company, some didn't), who all wanted to pull the block of stone called Amiga their own separate ways.
If Apple had gone under when it was going through rough periods, I bet the same thing would have happened to the Mac too in the end.
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Amiga died due to being closed. You can't argue with that.
Facts, please. Amiga is closed source, but VERY open documentation. Just look at aminet to see how much software has been created by people in their spare time. If AmigaOS had gone GPL back then we would now have 25 different AmigaOS-versions, all incompatible and all dead. As it is, we've got only the 3, which might still work.
This is my personal theory based on how much cooperation I see on a daily basis in this "community", other people might have other opinions. Some people are terminally panicked by the thought of adding things they won't personally use ("oh no, not another bloated option like windoze" being heard every day on the AmigaOS4 yahoogroups list), so I don't really see how opening the source to AmigaOS would have helped in this case.
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No, it didn't.
Amiga died because Commodore went bankrupt.
And how does that contraddict what he said?
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Like it or not MOS and AOS are both in a more finished/user friendly state.
MOS is more finished because it uses AROS code, AOS is more finished because it started with an already existing code base.
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falemagn wrote:
Jope wrote:
No, it didn't.
Amiga died because Commodore went bankrupt.
And how does that contraddict what he said?
Well, my opinion is that the Amiga's progress wouldn't have been any better even if the OS had been open source.
What would the new developers have migrated to back then? x86? I don't think so, the anti PC opinions were even stronger and more common back in '94, no open PPC mobos were out there, etc.
I guess I shouldn't have voiced my opinion either - the subject in question isn't very straight forward and it's rather hard to know what alternate futures bring without living them out yourself. :-D
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@mdma
you really have NO idea as to how the software industry works, do you?
Why would it be suicide?
with the source code out in the open, every damn programmer can obviously produce their own updates- add their own features. obviously this would mean that the makers of morphos would have no work to do - and therefore no sales - why buy form the makers of morphos when you can upgrade an os for free?
Q. What would they lose?
A. Customers. Cash Flow. Business!
Q.What would they gain?
A. Nothing.
Why buy AOS4 when you can download MOS-GPL for free. Run it on your old hardware for a while. Then, when it comes to buying new hardware, you buy a Peg2/3/4/5 (or whatever) as you are used to using MOS and all your software is written for MOS as it has the biggest user base. Is it suicide for RedHat, SuSE, et al releasing their code? No it isn't.
why release a good OS for free, if you can sell it?.
so once the user has bought the pegasos board, they already have MOS 1.0, they want to upgrade to 1.1 - "hmmm... to buy or modify the code?" they ask - i think you get the picture
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Amiga died due to being closed. You can't argue with that.
erm.. well you can argue with that!
commodore died because of financial problems - of which, they would of had more if they had released amigaos for free - and continued paying the developers
- see the logic?
& the amiga is not dead... yet...
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@mdma
It would kill AOS4 dead if they released the code.
Releasing MorphOS and AOS4 code is just stupid especially in the tiny market like this, so your all for people releasing the source code for MorphOS but not OS4? very double standards.
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amiga died because of greed and stupidity... I think thats enough said... the one thing that has always clung to the amiga 'name' has been greed (in my opinon)....
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mdma wrote:
Why would it be suicide?
Q. What would they lose?
Everything.
They make money from their hardware - and include an OS, at no additional cost
to run on that hardware.
If they open source it the first thing people will do is get it to work on
their hardware.
If it works on what I have already - why do I need to buy their products?
Answer - I don't.
And my selection for upgrades doesn't automatically go to them, why would it?
I'll choose the most cost effective solution for what I need.. and if I have the source, so doubt
myself and some other like-minded folks can expand it with what drivers we need.
It's suicide because it eliminates the need for you to buy their product.
For example
Why buy AOS4 when you can download MOS-GPL for free. Run it on your old hardware for a while. Then, when it comes to buying new hardware, you buy a Peg2/3/4/5 (or whatever) as you are used to using MOS and all your software is written for MOS as it has the biggest user base.
Your logic is seriously flawed there. Yes - you download MOS-GPL because it is *FREE*
Now how does this relate to automatically buying one hardware set over another?
If I follow the logic of the first statement - then I will be buying the cheapest
hardware -- not more expensive.. making the operating system open source eliminates
the need to buy a Peg setup.
Yeah I'm used to running software on an OS with a large userbase,
but that OS now runs on everything but the kitchen sink - which is part of the reason
it now HAS a larger userbase -- double edged sword.
Is it suicide for RedHat, SuSE, et al releasing their code? No it isn't.
Apples and oranges - Redhat, SuSE, et al. are not hardware companies.
They are companies with business models based around the legalities of the software they're providing.
RedHat for instance makes money on support.
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MOS-GPL Cool have it running on Amigaone in no time.
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MorphOS is fully complying with the AROS-licence, which means they allways released any changes made to the used AROS-
modules and feeded them back to AROS.
Sorry, I didn´t know that.
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you really have NO idea as to how the software industry works, do you?
Well seing as I have been a professional software developer since 1996, and been coding since 1988 I think I do.
with the source code out in the open, every damn programmer can obviously produce their own updates- add their own features. obviously this would mean that the makers of morphos would have no work to do - and therefore no sales - why buy form the makers of morphos when you can upgrade an os for free?
It's called market domination. AOS would be dead in the water. People would buy Pegasos boards (which is what Genesi make money off), as they are better/cheaper than A1 boards.
why release a good OS for free, if you can sell it?.
They already give it away for free (as in beer).
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certainly, if i had my own OS i would not give the source away! it would put me out of business!!!
Well lets all say goodbye to RedHat/SuSE/Mandrake/Connectiva/SCO then shall we?
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certainly, if i had my own OS i would not give the source away! it would put me out of business!!!
Well lets all say goodbye to RedHat/SuSE/Mandrake/Connectiva/SCO then shall we?
What do you mean ? These companies neither have their own OS nor do they produce hardware. Nothing to give away, nothing to loose. It's a totally different business model. And yes, we might say goodbye to some of them soon. At least Mandrake is near bancruptcy.
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They are companies with business models based around the legalities of the software they're providing.
I believe Genesi give support for MorphOS for free at the moment. If it was open source, they'd get money charging for support. Thats extra revenue on top of what they currently have coming in at the moment. More profits, helathier company. How would that make them go bankrupt as someone else mentioned earlier.
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These companies neither have their own OS nor do they produce hardware. Nothing to give away, nothing to loose. It's a totally different business model.
So you think that they don't employ coders? Think again, most of the major improvements done to Linux in the last few years are due to full-time paid prgrammers who work for the major distro's
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Oh no, not the GPL virus please...
I actually prefer a real open source license, like the BSD license.
Well it`s not the "real open source" license but a real FREE license. Take the source and do whatever you want, eat it... no limitations (like those that has GPL that makes people reinventing the wheel even for the little things if they want to make some money) only the recognition of the author of the original version as you said.
It's called market domination. AOS would be dead in the water. People would buy Pegasos boards (which is what Genesi make money off), as they are better/cheaper than A1 boards.
Well why buy a pegasos or an A1 when I can have the same OS on my superior and cheaper PC? I`ll buy an AmigaOne or a Pegasos because it runs my beloved OS, that is the MAIN reason.
It would be stupid for Genesi if they contaminate the MorphOS source code with the GPL virus...
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It would be stupid for Genesi if they contaminate the MorphOS source code with the GPL virus...
Genesi currently get :
$zero for MorphOS
$299 for Pegasos
$zero for MorphOS support
If MorphOS was GPL'd (Or some other OSS licence)
Genesi would get
$zero for MorphOS
$299 for Pegasos
$100 per year for MorphOS support (Or whatever they want to charge)
They can chose to support MorphOS on more than one platform, and recieve revenue for each platform.
Why would it be stupid to "contaminate the MorphOS source code with the GPL virus"?
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Genesi currently get :
$zero for MorphOS
$299 for Pegasos
$zero for MorphOS support
If MorphOS was GPL'd (Or some other OSS licence)
Genesi would get
$zero for MorphOS
$299 for Pegasos
$100 per year for MorphOS support (Or whatever they want to charge)
They can chose to support MorphOS on more than one platform, and recieve revenue for each platform.
Why would it be stupid to "contaminate the MorphOS source code with the GPL virus"?
How about they would get:
o zero for MorphOS
o zero for Pegasos (it gets ported to x86 / teronPX / whatever)
o zero for support (other may give support too, and
many dont need support, as we are not clueless
Windows(R) users.
Now it doesnt have to be as bad as above, but it is
very possible.
Add to this that it would likely kill AOS4 *TOO* :)
Not to mention different flavours of MOS floating around.. URGH!
Lets take AROS instead.. that OS fits your ideas more nicely.
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I believe Genesi give support for MorphOS for free at the moment. If it was open source, they'd get money charging for support. Thats extra revenue on top of what they currently have coming in at the moment. More profits, helathier company. How would that make them go bankrupt as someone else mentioned earlier.
Because you're still counting it as 'extra' revenue, assuming that for some bizzare reason I'd put together a whole new machine based on Genesi hardware -- which would be additional cost for me, and
totally uneeded (as this new GPL version now runs on the hardware I currently have).
Genesi currently get :
$zero for MorphOS
$299 for Pegasos
$zero for MorphOS support
Because it is currently necessary for me to buy a Pegasos board in order to run
MorphOS -- It doesn't run on other hardware.
GPLing or otherwise Open Sourcing the code will put an end to that very quickly.
If MorphOS was GPL'd (Or some other OSS licence)
Genesi would get
$zero for MorphOS
$299 for Pegasos
$100 per year for MorphOS support (Or whatever they want to charge)
You're still counting on the fact that people have to buy the hardware - which they no longer have to do.
Also, where do people currently go for support atm - boards, forums and friends.
A more realistic projection for the most of us would be:
$zero for MorphOS - it's now GPL
$zero for Pegasos - I don't need it anymore, because it runs on my existing hardware.
$zero for Support - I'll ask around to get things working, and only call support as a last resort.
From that point of view, their current business model looks a lot smarter.
Siggy.
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Lets take AROS instead.. that OS fits your ideas more nicely.
Why buy an A1/Pegwhen I can AROS on x86?
Because it's not PPC. Why else by a peg/a1? TheOS is largely irrelevant.
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mdma wrote:
Lets take AROS instead.. that OS fits your ideas more nicely.
Why buy an A1/Pegwhen I can AROS on x86?
Take it one step further :-
Why buy a Peg when (GPL)Morphos runs on x86?
Because it's not PPC. Why else by a peg/a1?
To run MorphOS/Amiga OS4 ? I honestly can't see any other reason. Sure, you could probably run Linux on them - but then (see your argument above) why would I do that when I can run that on x86 hardware?
TheOS is largely irrelevant.
I respectfully disagree.
Siggy.
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anyways... :roll:
its the developers choice what they do to morphos, so if they give it away free, or make it open source, or charge $2000 for it - thats for them to decide! not us
so there...
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To run MorphOS/Amiga OS4 ? I honestly can't see any other reason. Sure, you could probably run Linux on them - but then (see your argument above) why would I do that when I can run that on x86 hardware?
The geek factor. Do you really think anyone but us Amiga geeks will buy the hardware en-masse?
What about Amithlon? Amithlon on a top end 3Ghz x86 machine wipes the floor with anything eytech/genesi have to offer at native speed.
Anyways, I just got myself CVS access to AROS so I'd better put my money where my mouth is (Time being money in this capitalist world! ;-) )
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To run MorphOS/Amiga OS4 ? I honestly can't see any other reason. Sure, you could probably run Linux on them - but then (see your argument above) why would I do that when I can run that on x86 hardware?
The geek factor. Do you really think anyone but us Amiga geeks will buy the hardware en-masse?
What about Amithlon? Amithlon on a top end 3Ghz x86 machine wipes the floor with anything eytech/genesi have to offer at native speed.
It would be stupid to spend 1000+ EYPO (for a complete system) just to say to your friends.. "hey look I`m a geek hehehe". (typical average linux user)
I`ll buy an AmigaOne or a Pegasos because it runs my beloved OS, that is the only reason that I`ll spend my money on these machines. An no UAE and Amithlon is not an option, they are emulators, not a real computer.
Anyways, I just got myself CVS access to AROS so I'd better put my money where my mouth is (Time being money in this capitalist world! )
Very nice, I believe very much in Aros, and when it is ready I`ll buy a cheap PC just for it. A dedicated Aros Machine ;-) Aros RULEZ!!
Capitalism (http://www.globalcapitalism.st/qa.asp) RuLeZ :P
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Dagon wrote:
Capitalism RuLeZ :P
Damn straight! :-D
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Capitalism RuLeZ :P
Socialism rulez (Well in the UK at the moment)
http://www.labour.org.uk/
:-D
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mdma wrote:
Why would it be suicide?
Is it suicide for RedHat, SuSE, et al releasing their code? No it isn't.
erhm, the linux guys live from consultancies. RedHat certified engineer bla bla bla kinda stuf. not much in that for MOS.
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You are such an idiot, "KennyG"
praxis? PRAXIS? **PRAXIS**?
The phrase is "isn't very useful in practice". Praxis is
a Klingon moon, you dolt.
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Praxis is the greek word for act, action, deed, practice etc.
what`s your problem with that? even the word practice (which is also greek) you used derives from praxis. the phrase is right, you can use both words.
Practice = TT P A K T I K H pronounced praktiki. with "a" as in cut, and "i" as in kill
(and both are part of the english lexicon :P)
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Bodie wrote:
Dagon wrote:
Capitalism RuLeZ :P
Damn straight! :-D
thats right! :-) :-)
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I`ll buy an AmigaOne or a Pegasos because it runs my beloved OS, that is the only reason that I`ll spend my money on these machines. An no UAE and Amithlon is not an option, they are emulators, not a real computer.
Note that both AmigaOS 4.0 and MorphOS has an emulated 68k layers/modules...
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Because it's not PPC. Why else by a peg/a1? TheOS is largely irrelevant.
Note that AROS doesn’t run legacy software on non-68k machine. IF it doesn’t run Amiga legacy software, why not switch to completely new OS platform (e.g. BeOS, Linux, BSD and ‘etc’)?
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Note that both AmigaOS 4.0 and MorphOS has an emulated 68k layers/modules...
So? will I remain for the rest of my life with 68k (even if it is emulated in a PPC cpu) software? Life goes on... I believe that the most important apps will be ported and new will be developed. (isn`t that the plan?)
Note that AROS doesn’t run legacy software on non-68k machine. IF it doesn’t run Amiga legacy software, why not switch to completely new OS platform (e.g. BeOS, Linux, BSD and ‘etc’)?
So?
1> as I said many apps will be ported and new will be developed.
2> `Cause it`s AmigaOS (or AmigaOS-like if you like) and that`s my favorite OS. Simple.
Or do you stay with this platform only for its apps? Do you think that all these OSes have less apps or worse than ours? (Well maybe BeOS :PPP)
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So? will I remain for the rest of my life with 68k (even if it is emulated in a PPC cpu) software?
Did you forget AREXX issue?
My response was for "An no UAE and Amithlon is not an option, they are emulators, not a real computer."
Just be careful with "emulators".
Note that (near)native X86 AmigaOS applications can be develop on Amithlon (legal issues aside).
Life goes on... I believe that the most important apps will be ported and new will be developed. (isn`t that the plan?)
Software investment protection is important i.e. just look at the success of X86(1)(2) and Windows(1)(2).
Reference:
1. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/Apr03/04-09AthlonOpteronPR.asp
2.
http://www.amd.com/gb-uk/0,,3715_8420_7823_7839,00.html
(isn`t that the plan?)
Why not tell the world “software investment protection” is not important?
What you have stated is only part of the plan.
So?
1> as I said many apps will be ported and new will be developed.
My post (i.e. "Posted : 2003/4/10 9:29") was referring to mdma's post.
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Subject : Re: GPL MorphOS?
Posted : 2003/4/8 7:38
Why buy an A1/Pegwhen I can AROS on x86?
Because it's not PPC. Why else by a peg/a1? TheOS is largely irrelevant.
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So?
1> as I said many apps will be ported and new will be developed.
Such optimistic appraisals can even fails for the big OS vendors (e.g. Microsoft’s Windows NT 4.0(up to SP3) PPC edition). Such software porting have limits i.e. time and money.
2> `Cause it`s AmigaOS (or AmigaOS-like if you like) and that`s my favorite OS. Simple.
Was I referring to you? It's your problem IF you like XYZ. One may need more factors than “it's my favorite OS”. Such views are purely academic.
Or do you stay with this platform only for its apps?
Are you saying apps is not important?
Do you think that all these OSes have less apps or worse than ours? (Well maybe BeOS :PPP)
It seems that “software investment protection” is outside your mindset.
The strength of Windows/X86 platform is its boat anchor to legacy Windows/X86 applications. AmigaOS itself has a pretty sizable boat anchor i.e. legacy AmigaOS/68K applications.
BeOS is nice but not everyone has the time to buy/download/port/invest money to replace his or her software investments. Remember AmigaOS/68K was use to be one of the dominant platform in home computing world. BeOS was never on this level.
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mdma maybe you think the amiga community is a bunch of bumbling idiots that need this so called 'support' at every junctur but I dont... I dont need or want 'support' ... Genesi makes their OS... they release patches... why dont you bark up Hyperions tree for them to make AOS4 'open source'... ohh thats riiight... AOS4 isnt just closed source... it rom'ed to its respective boards so buying a super/cheaper board is impossible...
I'd hate to have to pay Genesi a yearly fee to run MorphOS... I'd prefer they keep researching and developing their product to entice me to buy into it..
GPL is pointless for MorphOS since its a commercial product... not TrashOS(GPL)...
Even the good Linux distrobutions make money off their products... or are backed by big companys that make their money entirely off of services they offer...
and since you bring up the BSD license... why dont you care to inform people what they do to make money?... they sell T-Shirts and get donations... FBSD 5.0 has been delayed... then its pathetic...
BSD is going down the tubes... because of 'free'... since it cant profiet..
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oh.. free software is a GREAT idea!
you put hours and hours of your work into it, perhaps pay others to help.... and then give it all away for free! source included!!! thats a great idea...
[/sarcasm]
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HA ha ...
'specially makes sense when you are trying to follow a business model wherein you make a living doing your development, and don't want to just do the services/consultant thing ; }
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BSD is going down the tubes... because of 'free'... since it cant profiet..
Sorry but... what a bunch of bulls*#t!
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mdma maybe you think the amiga community is a bunch of bumbling idiots that need this so called 'support' at every junctur but I dont... I dont need or want 'support'
No, but if MorphOS acheives market saturation through releasing the code, then the average joe who migt start using it will want support.
I don't need Linux support, but many people do.
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you put hours and hours of your work into it, perhaps pay others to help.... and then give it all away for free! source included!!! thats a great idea...
Every software house I have ever worked at has given the source away to the clients. From small 5 million a year turnover limited companies to the biggest digital tv corporation in europe. All still turning a profit.
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BSD is going down the tubes... because of 'free'... since it cant profiet..
On what evidence do you base this comment?
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BSD is going down the tubes... because of 'free'... since it cant profiet..
So why did Apple choose this "dying" platform as the basis of MacOS X? :-)
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Please stop this nonsense. Releasing source is not possible and not necessary.
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So why did Apple choose this "dying" platform as the basis of MacOS X?
And I do believe that major components of Windows are BSD code too.
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I think MOS shouldn't go GPL (unless Genesi goes Bankrupt).
The fact that Genesi makes money with the pegasos enables them to pay full time developers, license stuff, promote their system, develop new hardware etc... It's a living platform...
Putting it GPL is a bit as if you expected people to develop commercial games & apps for, let's say, SkyOS.
Anyway, Aros is a good thing too.
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@mdma
Only the TCP stack is BSD code, but then again it's rare you find the non-BSD based TCP stack.
Windows is based on either:
MS-DOS (Win9x series)
OS/2 (WinNT series)
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On what evidence do you base this comment?
the fact that everybody rips off BSD code... gives credit...and leaves you no reason to use BSD... since its got nothing useful about it as a stand alone product of its own anymore...
sure OSX used Darwin... but hell.. Windows/Linux and half a dozen other OS's stole parts of BSD... dosent mean BSD itself is doing well...
their going down the tubes... FBSD 5.0 is years late... years.... and for its purposes its pretty obselete.....
because a company couldnt form around FBSD to profit since its a 'totally free' code... wich is why I think their license is a joke...and I'd hate to see anything form out of...
nothing against AROS... but imagine if you had backer and you where able to work full-time (the whole team) on AROS ... and make a living doing it?... would you want to GPL it then? if it where more then a hobby...if it where a fine-tuned product you worked day in /day out on for years to make perfect?... I think not... and if you did GPL It after so long... do you think it would keep developing at the same pace ?.. do you think the code quality would stay the same?...
I doubt it...
Mandrake= Free = went out of business
Red Hat =Free cheap version=costly workstation/server versions= staying in business
same for SuSE and others...
the 'free' versions wich are totally dedicated to giving away their product and not making any money are drying up.... because that was their goal from day 1... to dry up... it was just a hobby anyway..
and if you think its BS about FreeBSD ... compare how BSD did when it was backed by Berkeley in the past with how its doing now not making any money... it was at the forfront of technology... now its at the back end.. with versions bieng released years late... and no 'new' technology offerings in its OS... its gone completely hobby... they sell CD's and T-Shirts to make money... how cool is that?
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Just a quick note...OpenBSD is running on the Pegasos. As for MorphOS, GPL is not something we are considering.
Best regards,
Raquel and Bill :-)
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As for MorphOS, GPL is not something we are considering.
@bbrv
What about shared source like Microsoft has recenty announced?
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mdma wrote:
As for MorphOS, GPL is not something we are considering.
@bbrv
What about shared source like Microsoft has recenty announced?
For MS Windows CE product range, any modifications made may belong to Microsoft. A similar license is Sun’s Open Office initiative.
With MS (i.e. Windows CE context), the entity that created the modifications may have 6-month exclusive license using this particular modifications.
With the dual support for IA-64 and X-86-32/64 Windows (on top of MS application development), MS may not have the manpower to support multitudes of hardware configuration for Windows CE, thus their opening of Windows CE's source code.
The last multi-platform Windows/Application venture is Windows NT 4.0 (i.e. PPC, Alpha, MIPS, X86-32). We all know what has happened to that venture i.e. running out of manpower.
Reference;
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http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS6015823526.html
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bloodline wrote:
BSD is going down the tubes... because of 'free'... since it cant profiet..
So why did Apple choose this "dying" platform as the basis of MacOS X? :-)
apple can stick their proprietary software on top and make money from it!
they are not using much more than the kernal, the user interface & other software for maxOS X is excellent,so there is good reason people will pay money for it
there isnt much money in just kernel's these days, unless you make RTOS for embeded devices, but even then it wouldnt be very profitable