Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!

[Iggy]

I take it that none of the rest of you have the balls to follow my lead. We should be able to get donation of high quality Geiger counters and high quality radiation suits.
A small unitized container would be larger enough to ship the gear we'd need. And if we can find a backhoe the container could serve as an underground baunker to work out of. We need minimal survival supplies and the support of a few industrial partner.
The merchant marine industry could supply double hulled rock barges that could be used to transport the spent nuclear rods from reactor 4 covered encased in water.Pumps on the ship could assure the robs stayed covered.
Pumps used on decks large oil barges could be trucked in the plant. The 6,8, and 10" diameter steel reinforce flexible rubber hoses would be ideal for running the temporary water lines need for reactors 1,2, and three. Cranes would be needed to move the spent rods to their floating containment.

The breach in reactor 2 is troubling but if pressure is kept down, steel wire could be stretched over the rupture and spray concrete could cover the rupture in the containment.

Once cooling is reestablished to reactors 1,2,and 3. It should be esier to stabilize the plant. Then we could refocus on the last two reactors that might be in danger.

[nicholas]

Go for it, I have five kids and a disabled wife with a bun in the oven who come first.

Charity cases have to suffice with the 22.5% of my annual income I am obliged to give them as a Shi'a Muslim.

I imagine the Japanese authorities will tell you to sling your hook though.

[Franko]

Iggy: When Katrina hit a few years back, a local preacher buddy of mine was trying to round up people from his church and locally to go down there in a few buses. I was going to go, but then the government turned around and would not let anybody in to help except for those people who they authorised. :/


Anyhow, after having read this thread (or most of it) I have came to this conclusion.

A. Franko is an elitist know it all who is constantly trying to shove his Squirrel centric views onto ever one. I think he should shut his fat face, invest his belief system into  televised vision, and the printed word as neither Amiga nor Squirrels have any place in consensus reality! UP YOURS FRANKO YOU ELITIST SHLUMP!  That's right, I said it!

B. Cats along with all other mammals need to start taking life, politics, and the global agenda seriously. They need to get life insurance, become concerned about their longevity, and clean up their act!!! I'm sick of their crap!!!

Wow... finally... at last I've been given a title...

Makes me feel quite honoured that does "FRANKO THE ELITIST SHLUMP"... actually I was never very good at Elite, never made it past crashing into the space station while docking...

Anywhoo, after a few days of one of the most bizarre threads I've seen here on A.org I'd reckon we can sum it all up with...

Amiga.org is home to the stranger section of the Amiga Community, a safe haven for the last of the Amiga nutters to gather and congregate and talk about all sorts of weird things as long as it's got nothing to do with the Amiga...

Religion, Philosophy, Natural & Man Made Disasters, Art, Culture, Squirrels, Apple and a whole lot more besides, now that we've covered all that once and for all, can we please get back to talking about the important things in life ie: the Amiga...

PS: I think Iggy badly needs a shipment of me meds more than I do...

[Iggy]

Hey Guys, I wasn't kidding about that last post. Outside help could make a difference.
Marine transport companies should be able to dig out a fairly large amount of large diameter steal belt rubber hoses (in 6, 8, and 10" diameters) and some  large skid mounted diesel pumps.
A few double hulled stone barges ought to be a to be available, the  spent few from reactor 4 could be loaded into these and covered with  water.
No 2 hole could be cover with steel mesh a concrete pump over it o seal the reactor.
Then all that would be needed would be to tie in the temporary diesel  pump via the flexible hoses to the reactor surviving cooling line.

I have left out a few things. We'd need a few good industrial cranes and  somer basic hand and power tools and of course some good quality  radiation suits with a healty supply of O2.
Some remote tv equipment and a decent extent able boom that could  deliver boric acid, waster, concrete sprays would also be useful.

They should already be thinking of things like this.

Jim

[XDelusion]

Franko: If you will take the time to read the forum rules, you'll see that no one ever authorised squirrels centric conversations. It hasn't even been 10 years since the incident with the squirrels and now is certainly not the time to start making jokes. Too many lives were affected...

HAVE YOU NO HEART?!?!?!

IGGY: I feel you man, but as for me, I've never been one to make donations. Locally yes, when I know who's hand my money is going into, but never or rarely to a cause I can not monitor in first person.

Take Cancer research for example. You know why we are not making any progress, because it is in the way our food (amongst other things) is mass produced and put together. They will not challenge this (with sincere effort) because that would mean the collapse of the Capitalist Empire as it is currently established.
Note that you don't see wide spread out breaks of Cancer in the Rain Forests or in wild animals. There was no Cancer, Aids, and such in America till the "White man" came. Those who choose to separate them selves from nature/God's Law, and place them selves on a seat above it, treating it like a whore...

I'm more of one of those kind of people who like to help in the flesh, I'd like to be there, regardless of the threat to my life. Seeing as I can not be there, I will resume my work at the nursing home and taking care of what needs taken care of here locally with family and friends or not so friendlies within the community.

As for death....

...someone posted earlier that they tell their child that death only comes once in life so to treasure it.

There is much wisdom in that statement. Just as there was much wisdom in the answer to the question (which I'm sure was meant to be sarcasm) Why does God create us so that we die?   -   Why not?

Again, I forget who posted that, but it does reflect a truth. That the creation was created by a perfect creator who's perfection we can not even begin to fathom. Therefore we could not even begin to comprehend the meaning of why or why not. We see things from a finite, human centric point of view, what we want or what we THINK is best.

Things are as we are, and until a shocking revelation comes about, we must go on about life and enjoy what time we got in a manner that will not cause regret or grief to our selves or those around us.
Besides, for a little clue, again the ancient texts and oral traditions time and time again tell of a paradise that was ruined because of man and his choices. So I think it's about time we compensate for that and come together. Not as Green Peace or some other bogus grass roots movement which seeks to empower the corporations and One World Government Agenda, but as sovereign children of the creator striving to learn from and grow in accord with what was intended.  Which, from a scientific and logical point of view, must not be to become cunning, calculating, vengeful, angry, proud, etc. As scientific research (and common sense) will tell us, these things only serve to kill life, laughter, and serenity and therefore any progress what so ever.


      Que Sera, Sera. Yes people will be born, and people will die, so let us take care of each other while we can, and remember those who we have lost. I go through this on a regular basis at the home. Being a lowly nurse aid, I spend the most time with the residents, grow fond of them, build up strong relations, become their sole provider, their reason to smile, their friend...

....only to watch them die time and time again at which point I must go in, clean up their shell, and send it off to the funeral home for arrangements.

Again, Que Sera, Sera.

[XDelusion]

Also, has anyone ever noticed how The World Bank (The, IMF, FDIC,  Federal Reserve and company) are never seen making financial contributions to causes? Rather people are brain trained that if they walk in circles for long enough, money will generate. Or if they attend enough benefit rock concerts, etc.

They never sell sports stadiums, or give sports and entertainers pay cuts to help take care of those in need. In fact, no matter how bad the economical climate, Sports Games are still being broadcast, and movie theatres are never in need of fresh material. Regardless of how bad things get, the indoctrination through entertainment process must go on...

Like wise, they claim the eco system is being harmed due to human farts and such, as if the towering sky scrapers, the crass industrialized food business, the poisonous products, the factories, the bi-products, the pollution, the cars, the un-disciplined greed, the bio-engineering and frankenstein experiements,  are not making a MUCH greater impact than any fart could.

If the world is over populated, then tear down the cities, tear u the high ways, the golf courses, the military bases, etc. There is plenty of leg room when you remove all the obstructions.

I mean seriously, it is not like every time I take a walk in the country that I am walking shoulder to shoulder with a million other people. Stepping on children and old people and the like.

And yes, I understand China is over populated. You know why? Because the people who have the mishap of being (re)born there, are being held at gun point and can not leave.

It's all a giant farce to create global taxation and to remove more freedom from the people.

I don't say liberty because liberty are permissions given. No one gives me permission but the creator, and I am FINE thank you very much so long as I conform to the Creator's law. Dig your own hole!

Just some thoughts.

Your local Amiga hypocrite.

[Iggy]

>I'm more of one of those kind of people who like to help in the flesh,  I'd like to be there, regardless of the threat to my life.

Yes, I'd like to be there. It don't think I'd have to my own money. i think I could get at least some of the material donated.
the marine transport industry has plenty of the equipment I've mentioned.
Findind a company is willing to donate the rock barge would take a little work.
The radiation suit 9andiu's want a good one , could be source for under $2000. the breathing equipment and the O2 would be a little more difficult.
Local companies in Japan ought to have cranes.

It would take some more volunteers and an airline willing to fly the team and equipment.
B

[smerf]

>I'm more of one of those kind of people who like to help in the flesh,  I'd like to be there, regardless of the threat to my life.

Yes, I'd like to be there. It don't think I'd have to my own money. i think I could get at least some of the material donated.
the marine transport industry has plenty of the equipment I've mentioned.
Findind a company is willing to donate the rock barge would take a little work.
The radiation suit 9andiu's want a good one , could be source for under $2000. the breathing equipment and the O2 would be a little more difficult.
Local companies in Japan ought to have cranes.

It would take some more volunteers and an airline willing to fly the team and equipment.
B

Hi,

@Iggy

You have a lot of heart man, but it takes more than heart to go into disasters like this, the U.S. Navy is there with probably HM-15 or HM-14 who are constantly picked to go into situations like this. These guys train for this and know how difficult situations can be. They use their big heavy lift helo's to help bring in supplies, lift heavy objects, and co-ordinate operations. If these guys can't do it, then it probably can't be done.

Remember these guys are trained pro's, if you went in there, you might be one of the people these guys would be carrying out, but anyhow we all want to help, take it from me just supply money to help support with food, water clothing, diapers, childrens clothes and shelter. Want to get a big thank you buy one of them a bottle of water during this time. It would be highly appreciated.

smerf

[Iggy]

>I'm more of one of those kind of people who like to help in the flesh,  I'd like to be there, regardless of the threat to my life.

Yes, I'd like to be there. It don't think I'd have to donate a lot of my own money. i think I could get at least some of the material donated.
the marine transport industry has plenty of the equipment I've mentioned.
 Finding a  company is willing to donate the rock barge would take a little work.
The radiation suit 9andiu's want a good one , could be source for under $2000. the breathing equipment and the O2 would be a little more difficult.
Local companies in Japan ought to have cranes.

It would take some more volunteers and an airline willing to fly the team and equipment.

[Franko]

@ Iggy

While I take my hat of to you for your sentiments and willingness to help out and put your money & time where your mouth is, I'm afraid you'd never get the chance to put it into practice...

The Japanese government are already complaining and trying to stop news teams and reporters from telling the truth about how bad things are, in the words of there government ministers "the western media is trying to show up Japan to the world in a bad light in this time of our national crisis"...

You could put together your plan and sail all the way there, but you can be assured the Japanese Navy would turn you back as they only allow specialised people in to help that they have given prior clearance to. With all the best will in the world they're not going to allow some total strangers anywhere near the reactor that hasn't been cleared or had their qualifications proven by those volunteers own governments...

Simple fact is you could be a terrorist for all they know, willing to sacrifice yourself to get hold of some plutonium to make a dirty bomb and neither the Japanese or any other government in the free world is going to let yourself or any other unknown volunteer anywhere near that site...

Time for a reality check Iggy, do your bit bit donating or encouraging others to do so but you need to get the idea out of your head that your going to be allowed anywhere near those reactors even if it was going to cost you your life...