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Amiga computer related discussion => Recommended Amiga Dealers => Topic started by: Mr_Byte on February 12, 2020, 12:54:40 PM

Title: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Mr_Byte on February 12, 2020, 12:54:40 PM
Hi
I have experienced and have seen a growing trend the last year/months with people complaning on facebook and forums about very long pending status (several weeks) with item that are marked "in stock". I see people getting tired of waiting and want to cancel their orders, but never gets any answer (but gets a answer right after the items finlly gets sent).

I just wondering: Are all the items "in stock" really 100% in stock? if else you guys needs to hire some help to shipt all the items
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: amigakit on February 12, 2020, 01:40:57 PM
We ship hundreds of orders every week worldwide and have been privileged to serve the Amiga community for over sixteen years as a full time business. 

The vast majority of orders leave within a day or two of the orders being placed.  We manufacture and assemble many of our products in house- you cannot source 35 year old retro products off the shelf.  We have over a thousand different product lines to make available a comprehensive range of quality products to the community at reasonable prices.

We would love to grow our team here, however since 2015 there have been many hobbyist resellers who pop up, offer a limited amount of lower quality products, then disappear.  This cycle has continued for some years and it means that for us it is not economically viable to add more full time team members given the size of the market place.

Apart from our retail business, we additionally manage this website among others.  We attend shows around the world, meeting our customers face to face.  We have been busy involved in developing our software such as AK-Datatypes, EasyNet, EasyADF and AmigaSYS.

I hope this helps give you a glimpse of our day to day work.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: walkero on February 12, 2020, 02:07:05 PM
@Mr_Byte
through the years I did a lot of orders, costing hundreds of euros, from AmigaKit, and never had any issue on items quality, packaging and speed of delivery. I am pretty confident and happy when I order from AmigaKit, because I know the high quality of their products and their support.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Mr_Byte on February 12, 2020, 02:30:18 PM
@Mr_Byte
through the years I did a lot of orders, costing hundreds of euros, from AmigaKit, and never had any issue on items quality, packaging and speed of delivery. I am pretty confident and happy when I order from AmigaKit, because I know the high quality of their products and their support.

Me too. I have ordered for 2300 euro since 2009 :) But im sorry to say that for me they have lost their former glory and their service level is declining.
I found many others with the same opinion when researching today.

And their inventory (with quality stuff) is always shrinking. Their main competitor got new exciting stuff everytime i check, they respond to their emails, "in stock" really means" in stock" and will ship in one or two days (and one good rule for every company is to never speak negatively about the competitors).

And i think it is suspicious that many people complain that they overlook cancellation questions (when they have waited many weeks for shipping) but respond right away when the package is shipped. Really convenient.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: hese7 on February 12, 2020, 03:14:46 PM
Me too. I have ordered for 2300 euro since 2009 :) But im sorry to say that for me they have lost their former glory and their service level is declining.
That is certainly true. I ordered some items from them last year (October), waited two months for them to ship the items but nothing happened. The order status just kept saying "being picked". I contacted them via their website asking about the order and got no response. After waiting enough, I opened a case on PayPal and AmigaKit didn't react to that either. After waiting two weeks for their response to the PayPal case, I filed a PayPal claim to which they reacted very quickly and offered some ridiculous 10% refund for the purchase, which I declined. Eventually PayPal returned the money but no thanks to AmigaKit.

AmigaKit, what has happened? Why your service level has dropped so much?
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: amigakit on February 12, 2020, 03:54:34 PM
@hese7

Sorry for the problem.  I investigated and can see that your last order unfortunately contained an item that was out of stock which held it up, but I can see that the 16 previous orders were delivered to you successfully.   

On occasion there maybe hiccups but the bulk of orders go out without problems and we get warm words back from regular customers, especially in person when we attend events.


@hese7 @Mr_Byte

I hope you continue enjoy using Amiga.org and other services we provide to the community (for free).  We are always looking to improve our products and services.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Kremlar on February 12, 2020, 04:07:24 PM
Sometimes it's better to acknowledge a problem and accept criticism rather than constantly defend and make excuses.  This is one of those times.

And passive aggressive comments about a "free forum" are not good business practice.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: walkero on February 12, 2020, 04:42:03 PM
In my opinion it is easy to criticize others without getting into their shoes. I see @amigakit describing the situation, trying to fulfill every obligation they have. Amiga market is small and people try to do the best they can.

I believe that people tend to hear the negative voices louder than the positive ones. What @amigakit said is that they ship hundreds of orders every week. If in those hundreds of orders they get, there are 1 or 2 delayed, I am pretty sure there is a good reason for that. We don't need to make such a fuzz or create false idea to this forum readers.

I am sorry but I don't see in this thread any constructive criticism.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Kremlar on February 12, 2020, 05:01:19 PM
I have no problem with delays.  I do have a problem with lack of communication and ignoring customers, which seems more and more common.

It only takes a minute and a little respect for another person's hard earned money to send a reply.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: amigakit on February 12, 2020, 05:17:09 PM
@Kremlar

We agree with that of course and make best efforts to keep our customers informed.

In the interests of balance, I trust you received both timely and good service from us every time you placed an order? 
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: outlawal2 on February 12, 2020, 05:35:16 PM
In the interests of balance i can say that I have used Amigakit for many years and have always been happy with the products and the service.
 :)

Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Kremlar on February 13, 2020, 03:03:08 AM
@Kremlar

We agree with that of course and make best efforts to keep our customers informed.

In the interests of balance, I trust you received both timely and good service from us every time you placed an order? 

I believe I have made a couple of purchases from AmigaKit and had no issues.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Pyromania on February 14, 2020, 11:50:27 AM
I've ordered many items over many years from AmigaKit and always got everything I ordered and outstanding service. Great company in my book.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Mr_Byte on March 07, 2020, 07:31:26 PM
Before you read: I am posting this because i want to help Amigakit too see they are on the wrong path.

Come on Amigakit! What have happen to you guys? Dont be the bad guys. People are starting to react over your bad behavior lately. Have some evil aliens taken over your bodies or something? ;D

From the "Commodore Amiga" group on facebook today:

AmigaPassion
I have been made aware that AmigaKit.com (4 months after we registered amigapassion.co.uk) registered the domain name amigapassion.com, this is perfectly legal, but the issue is, is that it does in fact redirect to Amigakit.com which may not be legal (seeking legal advise), it may have been a simple oversight from AmigaKit and I would be happy discuss.
I have reached out to Matthew Leaman (tagged him to get his attention) to remedy this as I have said to Matthew in the message we should be supporting the community together.
So for clarification amigapassion.co.uk is our primary and only domain and have ZERO affiliation with AmigaKit.com.
AmigaPassion Ltd is a company registered England and Wales (Company No. 12204824)
Thanks!!
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I have kept my peace and never said a word.. but when we started creating replacement cases (initially for the A1200) and keycaps for the Amiga under the name of A1200 and registered A1200.net, we supplied AmigaKit as well. We listed AmigaKit as partner and expected them to list us as a supplier. They haven’t for reasons unknown to us then, but when Matthew asked for custom design packaging we tried to accompany those wishes even though one was dragging feet. When we got confronted with AmigaKit registering. A1200 trademark in the classes that applied to our product, we obviously could not “appreciate” it...
This here.. well.. not surprised at all.
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They have been trademarking shit recently too. I really have no time for them. They called me names for pointing out that it is unlawful in the UK to list and sell items as in stock when they aren't. I wouldn't ever use them again and always tell people to steer clear. Doing shit like this just strengthens my point.
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Oh I know this one alright! they are currently sitting on my £50.00 and I have tried and tried and tried to get this sorted! it has been two years now!
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This is certainly a good way to make them not used in future. Bad taste.
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Legal or not, the end result is incredibly shady, reflecting very poorly on AmigaKit and will be a factor to consider when making my next purchase.
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Maybe AmigaKit should spend less time registering looky-likey domains and more on shipping items people have paid for. I’ve seen many stories here of people having to wait for ages, without any communication either.
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It's because they sell items as in stock when they have none. They did it to me and stated that in the final sales invoice it states with a red asterisk that the item is out of stock. Even though at all times the item is stated as in stock. They made it look like I made the mistake...
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Amigakit really are the worst. Literally, any other Amiga store is better.
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in my opinion, this kinda adds the icing to the s*it cake that is amigaKit. I ordered a few things from them in the past and its always such a long wait. Only when you publically ask them where the order is do they then respond. This move is bascially a d*ck move -> and shows their mentality. Yes its their domain now and they can do what they like - but the Amiga now adays is about community. this is specifically designed to take business away from Amiga Passion. Remember this the next time you think about ordering from them.
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AmigaPassion has been trading since 2018 well before Amigakit registered the .com domain. Matthew even emailed me 2 months before registering the .com asking about the business. There is a little ore history here than your aware off









Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: UberFreak on March 07, 2020, 09:10:14 PM
As someone who's not on Facebook, thanks for posting this here.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: amigakit on March 07, 2020, 10:21:00 PM
@Mr_Byte

I respect that you have the best interests at heart and thank you for your concern.

We would have preferred that they contacted us directly to discuss the matter privately.

The individual from this newly setup company in question has received contact in response to their post and will receive correspondance from us this coming week.  Unfortunately I cannot go into further details about this situation in a public forum.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Chucky on March 07, 2020, 10:53:16 PM
With all respect.  but there is for me "nothing to discuss"

registering a name well known into the community and redirecting it to somewhere else offering similiar service is..      hmm how to say this politly:  "not ok"   and nothing to discuss on.

and reading the reactions.  I would clearly recomend you to solve it like now.  not "this coming week"  and the only solution is to give the domain to the correct owner...   and reading this made me really dissapointed. and I mean really dissapointed..


Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: amigakit on March 07, 2020, 11:03:28 PM
@Chucky


I have to disagree that a UK company registered recently is "well known" to the community.  In contrast, after sixteen years of continous service to the Amiga Community, sponsoring shows, developing hardware and software, I would hope that Amiga Kit is well known.

As stated, it is fully the expectation that this will be dealt with between the two entities in a professional business manner and not conducted by rumour or conjecture on a public forum or social media.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Chucky on March 07, 2020, 11:10:25 PM
still  browsing to  www.amigapassion.com  directs to amigakit.   not the the known other person.  and this is what is just simply "not ok"

it is like taking  microsoft.info and direct it to apple....     and actually  there is also no excuse for this.  as amigapassion does amiga repairs.  so do you.

amigakit is ofcourse well known.    but let me say like this:  if I register amigakit.se  and redirect it to me  you would not approve..  right?  this is the same thing.    and is also very very easy to solve..   give amigapassion.com domain to correct person.  say you are sorry and it is all just fine.

but keeping it.. no.  that is not ok.  and people are getting annoyed of this.  and that is not good for anyone.

amiga have enough of drama.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: amigakit on March 07, 2020, 11:15:48 PM
@Chucky

I appreciate your best intentions.

In your example that you cited of Microsoft and Apple, both are very well known companies.  Unfortunately this is not applicable in this case.

There are material facts that are not relayed and these will be communicated privately this week.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Chucky on March 07, 2020, 11:22:16 PM
It is not of very well known companies. thing is  "amigapassion" have never ever been connected to amigakit..

and I do not care about how much sponsoring etc have been done.  it is still not ok.   even if you sponsored big happennings, it still doesn't give you the right to take any name and redirect it to you.   this community is too small for it.   it is not fair play.  it is just sorry to say "a dick move" and it now start to cost you quite a lot of bad PR.   Is it really worth it?  independent of size of bankaccount or how active you are etc.

if you think it is ok to take another parts name and redirect to you.  then why should not other takes amigakit and redirect to themselves?

this is not a big thing..  there is nothing to discuss.   you made a misstake.  fix it. all fine..  or isn't it a misstake? please do not disssapoint me and the community.   remember.  the community doesn't need anyone of us!  but we need the community!
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: demon-knight on March 08, 2020, 06:51:09 AM
@Chucky

I appreciate your best intentions.

In your example that you cited of Microsoft and Apple, both are very well known companies.  Unfortunately this is not applicable in this case.

There are material facts that are not relayed and these will be communicated privately this week.

How is this not applicable your companies are both well known in the Amiga community it's exactly the same.

Again, why does it need to be done privately, you bought a domain of your competitor and redirect it to your site how is that ok?

Whats embarrassing and smacks of desperation is you buy domains of other companies, trademark multiple names related to Amiga such as A600 etc. list products as in stock when they are not.  Where does it stop?

Not one bit of this helps the community and if anything makes you look worse than you already do.

Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Chucky on March 08, 2020, 08:47:54 AM
As the domain still links to amigakit..

I got a really bad feeling when trademark registering started.  Now also starting to register domainnames of other companies names and link it to you.
what is next?  well I can just see other stuff, maybe even names that is conencted to me (like reamiga)     I cannot support this..

even if I only bought stuff for 243,04eur, I have however now put my last order at amigakit.  and you can delete my account there.

I am sad, really sad it have to go like this.    but there is a border where I think stuff is enough.   Registering trademarks was on the border.  doing stuff like this.  well  sorry but you passed it. and I do not care who is the bigger older one.  actually that even makes it worse.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: kolla on March 08, 2020, 08:55:28 AM
AmigaKit is now reduced to a trademark and domain squatting company, what a waste.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Chucky on March 08, 2020, 08:59:03 AM
Thinking of it.  I doubt registering a domiainname that are using a companyname that belongs to another person, with SOME similiar acitvities is not even legal.

and keeping it still when it is brought to attention.. give me the feeling "ok take it to court then" while thinking that it might not happen due to the costs..

do we not have ENOUGH of shit in court in the community?  apprenlty not...
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: utri007 on March 08, 2020, 10:38:04 AM
Of course they canbregister what ever domains they want and tuhat isbperfecly leagal.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: trixster on March 08, 2020, 11:10:44 AM
I consider this to be a pretty silly and divisive move by amigakit, and one which the majority of the community seems to frown upon with good reason. The response from amigakit in this thread has also done nothing to convince me it’s anything other than an attempt to divert custom away from another company. That’s a dick move, as others have said. And I guess in the future I don’t want to give my money to a company which practises that sort of tactic. It’s a shame, but I’ll be spending my money elsewhere unless it becomes apparent that there’s an angle to this story that we’re not seeing.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Chucky on March 08, 2020, 02:44:52 PM
amigastore.com aswell..
REALLY?

gheez

suddenly amigapassion.com is going to a white page..  but amigastore.com to amigakit.. hmm isn't amigastore.eu a diffrent place. THIS explains why I a while was confused with amigastore AS amigakit a while ago..

REALLY?
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: amigakit on March 08, 2020, 02:50:35 PM
@Chucky

We have been Amiga Kit Amiga Store many years prior to ASB Computer deciding to rebrand in the same vein.  AmigaStore.com domain goes way back to 2004.  We have had significant amount of customers since they rebranded contact us because they had problems confusing their new website with ours.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Chucky on March 08, 2020, 03:30:35 PM
Fair enough.  but  checking archive.org  it is only like since 2018 amigastore.com is connected to the amigakit webpage.

while amigastore.eu seems to had a bad configured webserver but appered at 2013  so it is hard to judge..

but according to archive.org amigastore.com was more a link-collection of places to buy amigastuff to suddenly at 2018 be redirected to amigakit.


I also today took notice of one A1200 case with your trademark etc. but not a single word of WHO actually produced the case.  ok it was internally on the plastic.  but not a single note on sticker (original sticker removed)

is this really how we play?

please.   rethink your marketing plan.  you can still market without taking over other persons links/names/credits..    I can say that it is a pretty bad move.

I really started to have this bad feeling when trademarks started to be registered..     and now.  well.   my gut-feeling isn't better :-(

I guess it would be best to explain why amigapassion.com was registered in the first place.  I really want to know the story behind that.
also why a1200.net isn't mentioned on the cases except on the plastic inside? the original cases have a different sticker..

remember it is the small things people notice. and lets do not talk what is legal or not..  this most of us doesn't care about.  but what is fair and "just ok" is a different thing.

but yes!  waiting on the story behind amigapassion.com registration.   I can accept amigastore.com if it is as you said a old domain. (even if it changed meaning in 2018)

Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: amigakit on March 08, 2020, 04:11:56 PM
@Chucky

Situations often are misunderstood without knowledge of the full facts.  It is disappointing when misrepresentations are made.

I am not sure if you recall AmigaKit has been manufacturing "A1200" Tower cases since 2005.  Our product was the EZ Z4 A1200 Tower which we inherited from Eyetech when we took over their Classic Amiga business.  We have also manufactured many other A1200 named products since then of course.

The A1200 desktop cases you are referring to were supplied from the Chinese manufacturer.  Significant funds were contributed to make the production run possible and meet the Minimum Order Quantity demanded by the Chinese manufacturer.  A request was lodged with Adzzer Pty Ltd to pass on the specific request to have the cases badged with a custom label of our choice.  This could not be done so a second request was made to omit the case badge all together for the sake of wasting time removing and reapplying.  In the end the cases were rebadged after they arrived from China which was not ideal.

Another request was later put in to provide custom printed box packaging.  A quote for the work was given and artwork supplied which matched the custom labels and that was accepted by Adzzer Pty Ltd. 

No invoices were issued by A1200.net - there is no record of this being a valid company.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Chucky on March 08, 2020, 04:27:35 PM
wow..   that was low...   really low...


but ok.  now I know. 

please erase my account at amigakit.   I want it to be anonymized with regards to GDPR laws..


this is sad. so sad.  but now I know hos it is to be played.

I must say.  I havenot misunderstood anything.  now I know why amigapassion was registered.  and also why alot of trademarks is registered.

to make more drama and lawsuits..   

enough is enough!
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: amenophis on March 08, 2020, 04:52:36 PM
@Chucky

Situations often are misunderstood without knowledge of the full facts.  It is disappointing when misrepresentations are made.

I am not sure if you recall AmigaKit has been manufacturing "A1200" Tower cases since 2005.  Our product was the EZ Z4 A1200 Tower which we inherited from Eyetech when we took over their Classic Amiga business.  We have also manufactured many other A1200 named products since then of course.

The A1200 desktop cases you are referring to were supplied from the Chinese manufacturer.  Significant funds were contributed to make the production run possible and meet the Minimum Order Quantity demanded by the Chinese manufacturer.  A request was lodged with Adzzer Pty Ltd to pass on the specific request to have the cases badged with a custom label of our choice.  This could not be done so a second request was made to omit the case badge all together for the sake of wasting time removing and reapplying.  In the end the cases were rebadged after they arrived from China which was not ideal.

Another request was later put in to provide custom printed box packaging.  A quote for the work was given and artwork supplied which matched the custom labels and that was accepted by Adzzer Pty Ltd. 

No invoices were issued by A1200.net - there is no record of this being a valid company.



Matthew,

Most of this if just plain wrong.
I told you, don't screw with me.



"I am not sure if you recall AmigaKit has been manufacturing "A1200" Tower cases since 2005.  Our product was the EZ Z4 A1200 Tower which we inherited from Eyetech when we took over their Classic Amiga business.  We have also manufactured many other A1200 named products since then of course."
- Even if this were true, it does not entitle you to register A1200 trademark over our head while we were partners. You simply abused us and I'll demonstrate this later below.


"The A1200 desktop cases you are referring to were supplied from the Chinese manufacturer."
- Wrong, they were supplied by Adzzer Pte Ltd.
May I remind you that you even had "issues" to pay the invoice regarding delivery of the cases to your doors? When at the same time I did all I could for this invoice to be as low as possible, yet you complained. While other distributors had to operate their own forwarders to collect cases in HK!

Do you want me to go further?


"A request was lodged with Adzzer Pty Ltd to pass on the specific request to have the cases badged with a custom label of our choice."
- We do not "pass on".
- Your request for a different label was agreed. However the label you are presenting today is NOT the one you showed me at the time I visited you in Cardiff!
The old sticker label you showed me did NOT had any mention as "A1200®" nor did he had the mention "A1200 is a registered trademark of AmigaKit."
- Also, we were not able to reach out to your "demand" simply because you're ... too slow in answering our messages!


"In the end the cases were rebadged after they arrived from China which was not ideal."
- Cases did not arrive from China. They arrived from our warehouse in UK!
- They were delivered to you by Truck. Trucks don't come from China  ;D


"Another request was later put in to provide custom printed box packaging.  A quote for the work was given and artwork supplied which matched the custom labels and that was accepted by Adzzer Pty Ltd.  "
- No, no & no. Plain false!
- Quote for work was given. No answer to the quote!
- Artwork for printing box was supplied AFTER it was TOO LATE for us to proceed!  Again, you were too slow.
- We did NOT agree and "A1200 is a trademark by AmigaKit" was certainly NOT accepted by Adzzer Pte Ltd.


"No invoices were issued by A1200.net - there is no record of this being a valid company."
- This is not an excuse.
- Cases are clearly branded A1200.NET and by this sole fact it is our brand and ours only.

AmigaKit do not own A1200.NET.
Yet you decided to trademark A1200 while we were partners without consulting us.
A1200.NET does not OEM its cases. These are not blank products. Our name as manufacturer is written inside..
Yet it seems you've decided to do whatever pleases you.
AmigaKit do not manufactures A1200 cases.
Yet you act like it.

- That is the reason why still as of today there is NO MENTION of A1200.Net nowhere on AmigaKit.
- All other partners are mentioning A1200.net. But not you. Funny eh?


You can state or declare anything you want publicly. This is your forum after all.
However it is not because you're writing something here that it means it is the truth.

Our team is loyal to its supporters and we're grateful for their support.
We're a bunch of straight, honest, respectful and humble guys.

Are you?


PL
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Maria on March 08, 2020, 04:55:32 PM
I'll never again in my life buy anything from Amiga-Kit.

I cannot support this parasitic behaviour.

Last order that I made with Amiga-Kit was in january, took nearly 1½ months to get here anyway.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: Tahoe on March 08, 2020, 04:57:53 PM
Matthew, you do realize the case you are blatantly rebranding was actually developed through a fundraiser right? I myself was one of the original backers, and the fact that you now rebrand (without prior consent) these cases is just sick. Sorry, there really is no excuse. When will you start rebranding Individual Computers parts, calling them Amigakit ACA1221 accelerators?

I was lining up to make a fairly large order, but it’s clear my money should go somewhere else.
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: amigakit on March 08, 2020, 05:27:48 PM
I am sorry Philippe, this is certainly not how I recall events.

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- Your request for a different label was agreed. However the label you are presenting today is NOT the one you showed me at the time I visited you in Cardiff!

Yes it is.  Very little has changed on that label.  The legalese was accepted by you on the box artwork sent later on also.  We have correspondance here to show it.  Unfortunately, now you are attempting to portray in public that the goods were not supplied OEM.

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- We did NOT agree and "A1200 is a trademark by AmigaKit" was certainly NOT accepted by Adzzer Pte Ltd.

Taken from A1200.net:

(https://forum.amiga.org/images/a1222.net_website_18112019_capture.jpg)





Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: amenophis on March 08, 2020, 05:44:37 PM
I am sorry Philippe, this is certainly not how I recall events.

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- Your request for a different label was agreed. However the label you are presenting today is NOT the one you showed me at the time I visited you in Cardiff!

Yes it is.  Very little has changed on that label.  The legalese was accepted by you on the box artwork sent later on also.  We have correspondance here to show it.  Unfortunately, now you are attempting to portray in public that the goods were not supplied OEM.

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- We did NOT agree and "A1200 is a trademark by AmigaKit" was certainly NOT accepted by Adzzer Pte Ltd.

Taken from A1200.net:






Haha.


"Yes it is.  Very little has changed on that label.  The legalese was accepted by you on the box artwork sent later on also.  We have correspondance here to show it.  Unfortunately, now you are attempting to portray in public that the goods were not supplied OEM."

- We did NO accept these mentions on the box artwork.
- An email that YOU send does not prove our acceptance to anything!
- The design you sent me for "your" boxes never left my mail box. It does not mean we agreed on it. Do you see it on current boxes? NO! Hence, we did not agree.

- I do not attempt anything.
- You are the one trying to shovel down my throat facts you are creating out of your fantasy.



"Taken from A1200.net:"
- Yes, unlike you I'm not afraid to say the truth:  for a while we displayed this mention on our website.

However there is a precise timing in events and funny enough you seem not willing to share that timing publicly. I wonder why..

This mention only appeared for a short while, and only after we had this long discussion with Trevor and you on video call!!
This video call happened after we've discovered you robbed us our name and achievements.
Following me explaining you why - j'etais furax a mort connard! - you did everything you could to convince me it was for the greater good of AMIGA!

- Why did this mention appeared shortly?  : 
> Because you insisted on "protecting" the brand against the vilain C-A Acquisition Corporation owned by Mike Battilana (director of Cloanto, company behind the Amiga Forever emulation package).
But now, who's the vilain?


Like an idiot I believed you at the time.
But I saw clear in your acts quite fast. Hence after debating we've removed the motion.
You can screenshot all you can. It doesn't mean anything.



Again:
- We did not accept anything. We did not accept your supposed legalese while we even consider them illegal.


You can state anything in here since you "own" this forum.
Please state more funny stuff. I'll make good use of it.

This was my last entry.

PL
Title: Re: Amigakit or Pendingkit?
Post by: amigakit on March 08, 2020, 05:49:11 PM
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This was my last entry.

Thread locked as this has gone way off topic now. You can contact us directly if you have any more discussions.