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Online TribbleSmasher

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #90 on: June 06, 2021, 05:39:57 PM »
But now you know it and it will never occur in your daily needs. :)
 

Offline boemann

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #91 on: June 06, 2021, 05:57:59 PM »
I do see your use case, but it seems to me to be a rather cumbersome solution, you would then have to move the window around. to see it

Dreaming out loud as we are - wouldn't it be better if the console had unlimited length lines and a horizontal scroll bar. It could be a mode you could turn on and off as your need arose

Offline kolla

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #92 on: June 06, 2021, 11:39:24 PM »
I do see your use case, but it seems to me to be a rather cumbersome solution, you would then have to move the window around. to see it

Of course it is a little cumbersome, but it is easier than just about anything else.

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Dreaming out loud as we are - wouldn't it be better if the console had unlimited length lines and a horizontal scroll bar. It could be a mode you could turn on and off as your need arose

How about fixing a _vertical_ scroll bar first, probably much more sought after.

Anyways, this (both vertical and horitzontal bars) already exists in ViNCEd, and you can even have it on first CLI if you use the Con-handler shin^hm (sic), just don't use the shim with 68000 (guru 8000 0003 if Workbench is loaded), at least not with 3.1.4 (no idea about 3.2, I don't have it, unsure if I will - depends on the license it ships with). But - scrolling text in console is a heck lot slower than flipping an oversized window back and forth. Then it's really better to find some font that is readable at sise 6 and use SetFont to set it ad-hoc.

Btw, going from "I can only take it that you want to break every program out there" to "I don't know - i just know console will fail" is quite a ... step.
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Offline boemann

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #93 on: June 07, 2021, 07:22:05 AM »
How about fixing a _vertical_ scroll bar first, probably much more sought after.

Btw, going from "I can only take it that you want to break every program out there" to "I don't know - i just know console will fail" is quite a ... step.

I said dreaming about horizontal. A vertical scroller is already being experimented with

And your are quoting me wrong. I said "every program out there that assumes this can't happen". My position has never been as dramatic as you suggest, but I don't believe making windows larger than screens is something worth wasting time on for the next many years if at all.

Offline NinjaCyborg

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #94 on: June 07, 2021, 08:47:24 AM »
How about fixing a _vertical_ scroll bar first, probably much more sought after.

Btw, going from "I can only take it that you want to break every program out there" to "I don't know - i just know console will fail" is quite a ... step.

I said dreaming about horizontal. A vertical scroller is already being experimented with

And your are quoting me wrong. I said "every program out there that assumes this can't happen". My position has never been as dramatic as you suggest, but I don't believe making windows larger than screens is something worth wasting time on for the next many years if at all.

It's best not to feed the troll. He isn't debating the best approach, he's just picking fights because that's what he does.
 
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Offline boemann

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #95 on: June 07, 2021, 05:58:02 PM »
Well we are well of aware of Kolla's less than encouraging ways of putting things, but he also has a lot of really interesting things to say, that despite the way they are said is useful to us. So Kolla please do continue. We have stocked up on popcorn for 2 years now.

Offline redfox

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #96 on: June 12, 2021, 03:02:02 AM »
Update...

Today (June 11), I received my package from Retro Rewind.

AmigaOS 3.2 CD-ROM and Kickstart 3.2 ROM

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Offline kolla

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #97 on: June 14, 2021, 06:57:23 AM »
just don't use the shim with 68000 (guru 8000 0003 if Workbench is loaded)
At last fixed in 3.100 or 42.100 or whatever he prefers… though it still prevents SetPatch from patching copyright notice, boot with 3.1.4 kickstart and 3.1.4.1 setpatch and Hyperion pwns 2019, load the ViNCEd Con-handler “shin”(sic) and Hyperion only pwnz 2018 again. Bug reported a very long time ago, but only triggered a rather irrelevant kneejerk rant from “Der Richter” and no fix. Perhaps whoever managed to convince him about the 68000 bug (kudos btw) could also pass this one on, it looks bad that Hyperion only pwnz 2018 when they should pwn 2019, just because of Con-handler. And who knows what else SetPatch may fail to patch due to this, I have not explored, and my asbesto suit is getting thin when it comes to reporting bugs.
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Offline kolla

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #98 on: June 14, 2021, 07:50:12 AM »
Some of us have grown VERY used to having icon.library coming from PeterK's IconLib 46.4 - with 3.1.4(.1) it works great still, but with 3.2 there are problems, the main one being due to version strings apparently. 3.2 uses 47 as major version for its icon.library, opposed to 3.1.4 which uses 45. To work around various trouble with AROS/AfA (from what I recall), the true color "TC020" variant of IconLib 46.4 is major version 51. The end result though, is that whatever in OS 3.2 that is loading icon.library (workbench.library v47 I presume) fails to load PeterK's icon.library if it is a 46.4.xxx variant, but still manages to load those that are 51.4.xxx, I suppose from the assumption that 46 <47 < 51 - so if your system is 020+ you can use for example the TC020 library, but if you're on 68000, you cannot use IconLib 46.4 anymore (unless you patch it to become for example 47.4.xxx instead of 46.4.xxx). Sad sad sad.

But why would anyone on a 68000 use IconLib 46.4 in the first place? Well, first and foremost - SPEED - on slow systems you can really tell the difference - maybe magic has been applied to icon.library v47 to make it super fast as well, but I doubt it. And secondly - all the "helper" programs - some for "cosmetics" others for work-arounds in both software and hardware. I have grown used to having outlines and shadows on my workbench icons, does at least 3.2 offer this?

I find it a bit strange that there seems to be NOTHING in the OS 3.2 FAQ about IconLib 46.4, as it this is a version of icon.library that has been more or less dominating for many years now, and included in the oh so perfectly legal 3.9 boingbags 3+4 of certain official OS 3.2 wingmen.

For sake of entertainment, I attach a screenshot showing shadowed icon text, the most awesome Amiga icon style, and also showing how Hyperion only pwnz 2018 when Con-handler is loaded (yes, version 106.2 - CLEARLY this little piece of software has been under development since the 70s to reach such a high major version!)

(oh, and there is bug or ...eh... feature challenges with "Prompt" - as you may tell from the screenshot, I use a multi-line prompt (which probably just works by pure coincident, and not by design), and the "bug" is that variable expansion in prompts only work on the first line. In the 3.2 FAQ, the word "prompt" is only mentioned once, and not at all in relation to the shell or C:Prompt, so whether this is known bug/feature or not, I cannot tell)
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Offline boemann

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #99 on: June 14, 2021, 08:07:47 AM »
I have grown used to having outlines and shadows on my workbench icons, does at least 3.2 offer this?

Yes you set it in font prefs
 

Offline boemann

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #100 on: June 14, 2021, 08:14:40 AM »
(oh, and there is bug or ...eh... feature challenges with "Prompt" - as you may tell from the screenshot, I use a multi-line prompt (which probably just works by pure coincident, and not by design), and the "bug" is that variable expansion in prompts only work on the first line. In the 3.2 FAQ, the word "prompt" is only mentioned once, and not at all in relation to the shell or C:Prompt, so whether this is known bug/feature or not, I cannot tell)

Thanks. I've entered it into our bug tracker - bug, feature or designed like that for reasons unknow to me - at least it should be examined
 

Offline bubbob42

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #101 on: June 14, 2021, 02:55:23 PM »
it works great still, but with 3.2 there are problems,

We also do like Peter's library, that's why we kept him in the loop regarding upcoming changes long before release.

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To work around various trouble with AROS/AfA (from what I recall), the true color "TC020" variant of IconLib 46.4 is major version 51. The end result though, is that whatever in OS 3.2 that is loading icon.library (workbench.library v47 I presume) fails to load PeterK's icon.library if it is a 46.4.xxx variant, but still manages to load those that are 51.4.xxx, I suppose from the assumption that 46 <47 < 51 - so if your system is 020+ you can use for example the TC020 library, but if you're on 68000, you cannot use IconLib 46.4 anymore (unless you patch it to become for example 47.4.xxx instead of 46.4.xxx).

It was Peter's decision to keep his lib at V46 for tradition's sake. If you'd like to have a V47 or 68000 V51 variant, you'll have to ask him. The OS must request a V47+ icon.library due to API enhancements.

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Sad sad sad.

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Offline kolla

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #102 on: June 14, 2021, 08:12:43 PM »
If those APi changes is (the what… 4th? incarnation of) DefIcons, I don’t really care much about it (roll my own) and will just alter 46.4, I got the source. But others may vert well stumble on this awkwardness and so it should go into the FAQ.
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Offline walterg74

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #103 on: June 15, 2021, 06:42:46 AM »
Ignorant question, is this only available as physical roms to install, or also digital for those that want to use for emulated Amigas?
 

Offline AndyFC

Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
« Reply #104 on: June 15, 2021, 07:30:14 AM »
Ignorant question, is this only available as physical roms to install, or also digital for those that want to use for emulated Amigas?

The CD contains all the ROM files for the Amiga range.
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