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Offline Matt_H

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2021, 11:00:25 PM »
Cheers Matt.

I got it working! Booted using the Gotek. Ran SetBatt A. Powered off. Reconnected the SCSI drive. Booted using the Gotek with Install 3.1 and then used HDTools to reconfigure the SCSI drive. Rebooted and bingo my Workbench and Work partitions are back. Just need to reinstall the OS and should be back in business. 

Thanks to all on the thread that helped me! Very much appreciated.

Weed

Ah, but the fun part comes when you reinstall all the expansion boards! Hope that all goes well, too.
 

Offline Tumbleweed

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2021, 06:07:06 PM »
That part begins this weekend!

On a slightly different but related note. The A3000 has 3.1 roms and I have WB 3.1 and OS3.9. Which one is better to install?

When I last had it working I was running O3.9 with Boing Bags 1 and 2 plus the unofficial ones 3 and 4 installed. I also had some other patches and upgrades to libraries. With the CSMKII and Picasso II installed OS3.9 is my thinking. That said I see 3.1.4 is out but needs a rom update. Is it worth it? 3.1.4 vs 3.9 plus boing bags? What's folks views?

Weed!
A3000T, Cybervision64, CSMKII 060; A3000D, PicassoII, Z3 Fastlane; A2000D, 040, PicassoII; A4000D, A1200, Blizzard 030 MKIV - both not working :(
 

Offline Matt_H

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2021, 07:07:15 PM »
3.1.4 will run on a 3.1 ROM at the expense of some RAM - it has to kick in some module updates just like 3.9. There are rumors that 3.2 is imminent, so you may want to wait for that instead of going for 3.1.4.

That said, any of 3.1, 3.9, or 3.1.4 are good choices. I think you're right that 3.9 makes the most sense for now, especially since you have it on hand. 3.1.4 includes most of the improvements from 3.9, but not all of them, but does have additional bugfixes and improvements of its own. Ultimately, though, there's no wrong answer here.
 

Offline Tumbleweed

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2021, 07:10:49 PM »
Cheers for that Matt. I'll install 3.9 and se how I go!

Best.

Weed!
A3000T, Cybervision64, CSMKII 060; A3000D, PicassoII, Z3 Fastlane; A2000D, 040, PicassoII; A4000D, A1200, Blizzard 030 MKIV - both not working :(
 

Offline Tumbleweed

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2021, 07:46:47 PM »
Looks like I was counting chickens.

Last night I partitioned the drive into three. DH0: Dh1 and DH2:

On DH0: I installed Workbench 3.1 and on DH1: I installed OS3.9. DH2: I left empty.

I installed the Z3 board between installing WB3.1 and OS3.9.

Everything ok.

Tonight, fired up the Amiga - no boot from HD. Back to insert WB disk screen. Booted off the Gotek. HD not showing.

Redid what I did last night. Ran SetBatt. Same output as I had last night - memory loss. So ran SetBatt A and did same as I did last night. HD still not showing.

Have removed the Z3 but makes no difference. HD still not showing.

Thought I had it sorted but now looks like IM back to where I started!  :(



A3000T, Cybervision64, CSMKII 060; A3000D, PicassoII, Z3 Fastlane; A2000D, 040, PicassoII; A4000D, A1200, Blizzard 030 MKIV - both not working :(
 

Offline Pat the Cat

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2021, 11:06:32 PM »
I would try settimg up the HD to boot from Z3 rather than onboard.

You seem pretty convinced the HD has been gradually dying, that might confirm it.

The question is whether the onboard controller is OK or not.
"To recurse is human. To iterate, divine."

A1200, Vanilla, Surf Squirrel, SD Card, KS 3.0/3.z, PCMCIA dev
A500, Vanilla, A570, Rev 5, KS 1.2/1.3 Testbench system
Rasp Pi, UAE4ARM, 3D laser scanner, experimental, hoping for AmigaOS4Arm, based on Watterott Fabscan Pi
 

Offline Tumbleweed

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2021, 03:09:38 PM »
Matt thanks for the tip.

I had no joy with the Z3. The A3000 does not have Buster 9. I think its 7. Z3 with the drive attached led to a black screen. I then dug out an old GVP II HC+8 that was in my Amiga 2000 (also not working  :()

Fitted it in A3000. Set it up using FAASTPREP and all is good. A3000D is happily booting off the HD on the GVP card. External CD Rom is also working via the GVP card.

I now have a funny issue with the expansion cards. The PicassoII wont work in the lowest Zorro slot. It used to. I can get it working if I put it in any other slot though. The set up I have now is as follows:

GVP HC in the lowest Zorro slot. SCSI drive connected to it. Card has 8 MB Ram. CDRom plugged into GVP card.
Next Slot up Empty
Picasso  II in the next slot
Z3 in the top slot. SCSI doesn't work (cause of the Buster being 7 not 9) bit it has got a decent amount of RAM on it which does work.

I have probs installing OS3.9 - resource.library missing. Looks like install from OS3.9 CD isnt working correctly. It might be because of a 68040 library issue. I had this and the 68060 library for the CSMKII. Have read this can cause probs with resource.library.  Now trying a clean install.

Weed!
A3000T, Cybervision64, CSMKII 060; A3000D, PicassoII, Z3 Fastlane; A2000D, 040, PicassoII; A4000D, A1200, Blizzard 030 MKIV - both not working :(
 

Offline Matt_H

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2021, 07:11:18 PM »
So it looks like the internal SCSI controller is misbehaving... Hmmm.... Could the drive be dying? Can you reseat the SCSI chip? Do you have an external terminator on the end of the chain? I'm leaning hard toward it being a termination/bus issue...

The Picasso II problems might be explained by the GVP card. Your Zorro II address space is over the 8MB limit. With 8MB on the GVP card and 2MB on the Picasso you're going to run into problems of some sort or another. Set the GVP card to 4MB of RAM and maybe you'll be back to normal (fingers crossed).
 

Offline Tumbleweed

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2021, 09:46:21 PM »
Drive seems to be OK. Have now got eh MKII installed and OS3.9 running. PicassoII is working ok. I need to set up the screen modes correctly using Picasso Mode (I forgot how fiddly this can be!).

Os3.9 HDToolBox tools shows all three scsi devices: Scsi.device; gvpscsi.device and z3scsi.device.

Got WHDLoad installed and running populous II ok. Takes me back to my youth.

I'm tempted to leave it as is as its working but it irks me that the SCSI drive is not on the native controller as I've lost a Zorro slot which I was going use for my network card to get it back on the .net. I could swap out the Z3 as the MKII has 128MB Ram so dont really need the memory on the Z3.

The other thing Id like to do is put it back together with original screws. Ive got them but cant remember which ones go where. Id like to get it back to original or as close as I can.

Weed.

A3000T, Cybervision64, CSMKII 060; A3000D, PicassoII, Z3 Fastlane; A2000D, 040, PicassoII; A4000D, A1200, Blizzard 030 MKIV - both not working :(
 

Offline Pat the Cat

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2021, 06:26:56 AM »
Kudos for narrowing it down to the onboard controller not liking 3.9 for some reason.

I think the original scsi controller chip is replaceable for something more reliable and pin compatible. Beyond that I have no solid information on A3000D screw arrangements - on mine (for the brief period I owned one) the centre rear screw was oversize, but I have no idea if that was what was originally fitted. It was 2nd hand.

That does seem to tally with a factory machine but I can't be sure on that one. The four exterior screws were definitely identical and Phillips dome head I think. Centre one was a pan head.
"To recurse is human. To iterate, divine."

A1200, Vanilla, Surf Squirrel, SD Card, KS 3.0/3.z, PCMCIA dev
A500, Vanilla, A570, Rev 5, KS 1.2/1.3 Testbench system
Rasp Pi, UAE4ARM, 3D laser scanner, experimental, hoping for AmigaOS4Arm, based on Watterott Fabscan Pi
 

Offline Matt_H

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2021, 06:05:58 PM »
What's the revision of your onboard SCSI chip?
 

Offline Matt_H

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2021, 04:14:01 AM »
Also, taking a lesson from a slightly similar EAB thread about SCSI issues: make sure *all* socketed chips on the motherboard are properly seated.
 

Offline mechy

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2021, 03:41:41 PM »
Its not uncommon for D800(if memory serves-a diode near the back scsi port) to fail and you get no power to termination,hence it doesn't work. You can check it with a multimeter for 5v on both sides with the machine powered(it may read 4.8v+ which is ok).
some diodes were installed backward from the factory causing random scsi issues..
Good idea to update to a WD rev8 scsi chip or AMD 33c93A,it solves some multiple drive scsi issues the old chips had and are cheap.
on the A3000 its sockets sockets sockets!  Stop and reseat all the chips,these old sockets are notorious for bad contact especially after the machines been in storage. Doing this prevents you chasing your tail and random problems.

Check the power supply for +5,+12,-5v etc.. These old power supplies can need recapping. Low voltage will cause a host of odd problems.

I suggest you buy a buster 11,they are still available and its a good upgrade.
 
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Offline Pat the Cat

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2021, 04:28:55 PM »


I suggest you buy a buster 11,they are still available and its a good upgrade.

Alas Analogic ran out a few months back. I guess some people who did upgrade might have Buster 9s for sale.

Also rumours of a Dave Haynie new version, but it will definitely need a socket to plug into. Even if it does happen.
"To recurse is human. To iterate, divine."

A1200, Vanilla, Surf Squirrel, SD Card, KS 3.0/3.z, PCMCIA dev
A500, Vanilla, A570, Rev 5, KS 1.2/1.3 Testbench system
Rasp Pi, UAE4ARM, 3D laser scanner, experimental, hoping for AmigaOS4Arm, based on Watterott Fabscan Pi
 
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Offline Tumbleweed

Re: A3000D Boot Issues
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2021, 06:41:23 PM »
The SCSI chip is WD33C93A-PL, pic attached. I have a buster 11 in my A4000D (which is also not working!). Could salvage from that.

I plan to give the board a proper clean with https://www.amazon.co.uk/WD40D-N-A-Contact-Cleaner/dp/B006UCJ5WQ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=isopropyl+alcohol+wd40&qid=1619458728&sr=8-1.

« Last Edit: April 26, 2021, 06:49:04 PM by Tumbleweed »
A3000T, Cybervision64, CSMKII 060; A3000D, PicassoII, Z3 Fastlane; A2000D, 040, PicassoII; A4000D, A1200, Blizzard 030 MKIV - both not working :(