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Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« on: July 21, 2019, 10:55:23 PM »
thanks! Anything special with 68k version? Has it got lost speed back?
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2019, 10:36:33 PM »
OK, need check what I can do. Log didn't help?

It is just slow, bog slow with both of my machines. Reverted back KS3.1 other machine, see if problem was KS3.1.4. It din't help. I made a lots of logs to previous thread and situation is about a same.

With

A1200, Blizzard 68060, KS3.1.4 and Mutools installed running, it starts and displays welcome page without images and freezes.
A1200, Apollo 68060, KS3.9, it starts OK, displays images etc. going to amiga.org OK, freezes when I try to go forums.I thing this is some how time related?

Both amiga has same versions of (wich has always worked) guigfx and render libraries.

I

ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2019, 04:08:09 PM »
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Occasionally it might load a website, bit then usually just gets stuck and won't do anything.

I have same symptoms.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2019, 10:19:34 PM »
It is faster with 68030 than 68060.  Tested Blizzard 68060 os 3.1.4 installed top of 3.9 and Apollo 68060 os 3.9.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2019, 10:43:45 PM »
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Would love if this browser would "work" its just to slow compared to iBrowse, locksup on 9/10 pages i try and i just super slow.

It used to be fast with 68060, now it is as you say super slow. I have very similar experiences with it.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2019, 10:22:43 PM »
:D and it is faster with 68030 than with 68060. Some times I get to amiga.org forums, some times not. But it renders forums frontpage 3-5 minits if it doesn't give time out or just get unresponsive.

It used to be 23-30 seconds.

Comparing just pure CPU power and your results, amiga.org should render about 23-30 seconds, like it used to do.

iBrowse just doesn't renders pages, it has very limited html support these days and I 99% sure that these results woun't get much faster.

Netsurf 68k would require some "special love", in current form it is useless. Though I haven't tested it with UAE.



ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2019, 04:48:13 PM »
I think that it is just like it used to be with 68030, but considering my and others 68060 users results, it seems that 68060 cpu support is f*cked some how.

ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2019, 09:05:06 AM »
Novacoder is right, 68040 is absolutely minium for this. And every possible way to get more speed is needed to get this as usefull as possible.

Realistic minium for CPU and ram is 68040 with 32mb ram. It surely start with basic installation OS 6030 with 16 mb ram. Netsurf takes about 10,5mb when started.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2019, 07:46:24 AM »
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I have to disagree!
Then you could also say: Use a emulator. But actually many users have an Amiga with 030 accelerator board.
I would suggest: Please optimize it for a minimum of 64MB RAM, better 128MB.

Do you understand what you are saying? 68030 is just not enough. When talking about web browser ram is matter of usage, not for optimization.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2019, 12:05:23 AM »
jos you have guigfx.library on libs? You would also need render.library

http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/guigfxlib
http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/renderlib31

Are you sure that you have 68k version of guigfx library installed?
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2019, 10:59:28 PM »
Intresting, are you sure that four times is enough. ;) What kind of Amiga you have? I ques that 68040 or 68060 because 68030 doesn't seem to get that genera slow down.

But in preferences in images settings cache native version is it on and java disabled?
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2019, 08:09:00 AM »
NovaCoder: There are plenty of settings to tinker. Disabling java speeds up 68k version a lot (or at least it used to do) In preferenses image settings cache native versions all also speeds up. etc.

Could you consider to help Chris with this? This was really near to be usefull with real amigas. Practical hardware minium was 68040 with 32b ram. This site used to render about 20 seconds.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2019, 01:04:51 PM »
It used to be much faster than Artis fork. About 2x. Something has happened and speed is lost.

You should try 3.6 etc
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD