A500 with Vampire 2 on Ebay!!!

[klx300r]

@ Oldsmobile_Mike

you might want to re-read that;)

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

@ Oldsmobile_Mike

you might want to re-read that;)

Already did. Show me where it says "I am Kipper2k". :p

[klx300r]

Already did. Show me where it says "I am Kipper2k". :p

show me where I say defintively that it is him:biglaugh:

[kipper2k]

show me where I say defintively that it is him:biglaugh:

Hi,

 Quick note, i do not sell anything on Ebay, i am too cheap to pay their fees

[Iggy]

FPGA is not emulation, stop the nonsense.

Of course it is, so that's hardly nonsense.

BTW - Why hasn't anyone pointed out the A600 Vampire2 that has popped up on eBay.

[Acill]

Wonder what the reserve was. It didnt sell because of lower bids.

[klx300r]

Hi,

 Quick note, i do not sell anything on Ebay, i am too cheap to pay their fees

lol I figured more than one Vampire Beta Tester in North Bay, Ontario would be unrealistic but I'm happy to say I'm proven wrong:hammer:

[kolla]

Of course it is.

No it isn't, there is no translation of code going on.

[kipper2k]

lol I figured more than one Vampire Beta Tester in North Bay, Ontario would be unrealistic but I'm happy to say I'm proven wrong:hammer:

 I am in Thunder Bay, not north Bay, there is also someone selling their v600 board. Once they receive their order we cannot prevent the resale of it, if people want to take the opportunity to try to make extra cash then it is up to them to face the wrath of the forum boards

[Iggy]

No it isn't, there is no translation of code going on.

It loads code every time it restarts. That configuration makes it emulation.
If we have a difference of opinion, lets just leave it a that.

Because its my opinion that if its running on anything but dedicated silicon, its an emulation.

[Iggy]

I am in Thunder Bay, not north Bay, there is also someone selling their v600 board. Once they receive their order we cannot prevent the resale of it, if people want to take the opportunity to try to make extra cash then it is up to them to face the wrath of the forum boards

"Squirrely wrath" of the forum boards. :lol::lol:

[psxphill]

No it isn't, there is no translation of code going on.

Translating code is not a requirement or definition of an emulator.

An FPGA isn't a 68000 and it isn't using any of the original logic, therefore it's an emulation.

FPGA's even use software, so you can't differentiate by calling them software and hardware emulation.

The differentiation I think you are arguing about would be parallel vs sequential emulation. That is the only inherent difference between cpu's and fpgas. A cpu multiplexes it's logic gates, while an fpga has logic gates permanently allocated. The main difference is latency, as you can't make lots of things happen at exactly the same time.

But why let reality get in the way of defining a pejorative.

[guest11527]

Because its my opinion that if its running on anything but dedicated silicon, its an emulation.

So the Motorola 68K is an emulator? Because the 68K source code is, actually, not run on real silicon, but is interpreted by the microcode interpreter that is built into the 68K.

[psxphill]

So the Motorola 68K is an emulator? Because the 68K source code is, actually, not run on real silicon, but is interpreted by the microcode interpreter that is built into the 68K.

I think you're over playing the mask rom and state machine in the 68000 to build a straw man.

Obviously a 68000 isn't an emulator as it's the real thing and to emulate something you have to try to appear to be something else.

An FPGA programmed to appear to be a 68000, is an emulation. The vampire could also be programmed to emulate a c64 or pc if you put the effort in.

You might think that Vampire is great and winuae is %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!, but both are emulators. They are just different types of emulators. Deal with it.

[kipper2k]

An emulator takes a native code and translates it into a desrination code, a fpga in this instance actually configures the inner gates to become a 68k processor. Depending on how you tell the program to internally lay the gates can affect the speed of the fpga, it is a hardwired coding. Just because it is not an original 68k chip doesnt mean it isnt a true processor, if you program this code to an asic, is it still an emulator, i dont think so

[guest11527]

I think you're over playing the mask rom and state machine in the 68000 to build a straw man.

Yes. So was Iggy.  

Obviously a 68000 isn't an emulator as it's the real thing and to emulate something you have to try to appear to be something else.

It appears to be a 68K outside, but inside it's all an interpreter running microcode on an entirely different machine. (-:

Yes, of course it is a bogus argument. In the end, what matters is the performance and consistence of the machine.  

An FPGA programmed to appear to be a 68000, is an emulation. The vampire could also be programmed to emulate a c64 or pc if you put the effort in.

I wouldn't say so. It would be an emulation if it would run as code on a different type of CPU platform, which it does not. It runs on programmed gates in an FPGA. Same as the 68K: It does not run natively on silicon. It runs as microcode on a machine we do not know exactly.

It's really a strange kind of argument - where do you want to draw the line? What is "real" and what is "emulation?". Is the 68060 an emulation of the 68000 because the former does *not* implement the same microcode engine as the 68000?

I tell you what I think: It doesn't really matter. As long as the resulting chip is fast enough to execute my code, and consistent enough, I don't bother. "Consistent enough" means that it avoids one particular problem typical emulators have: Executing some parts of the target architecture blazingly fast, while crawling at other tasks.

That's why I don't like winuae (comparably slow and inconsistent at the chipset emulation).