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Offline vox

Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #150 on: February 17, 2014, 10:56:36 PM »
Quote from: Boot_WB;759065
Sam460ex user manual

That is it. No one has a tested card list and since HD2400 is hard to find and way too slow, most of SAM460 user like I, start with Radeon HD 4000
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Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #151 on: February 18, 2014, 11:13:59 AM »
Quote from: vox;759071
That is it. No one has a tested card list and since HD2400 is hard to find and way too slow, most of SAM460 user like I, start with Radeon HD 4000

"Way too slow" for what exactly? :crazy:

Remember that the Sam 460 only has an embedded PowerPC 460 class CPU (no altivec etc) running at mere 1/1.1GHz that struggles in keeping up with even a Pegasos 2 (and the more recent 1.4GHz+ G4 Macs can be close to 2x as fast as the Peg2 in some areas). Its 4 lanes of PCI-e 1.1 interface provides a theoretical maximum of 1000MB/s bandwidth, to a graphics cards that has no 3D acceleration support, no overlay support and officially not even 2D acceleration support as of yet! Compare this to the much faster G4's of 1.42GHz/1.67GHz or even higher (up to 1.8/2.0GHz with 3rd party accelerators) with 1066MB/s AGP 4X, or up to 2.7GHz G5 CPU's with a 2133MB/s AGP 8X interface to graphics cards with real 2D acceleration, 3D acceleration, overlay, etc.

Bolting on a Porsche 911 Turbo engine (read: fast GFX card) to an old Fiat 126 (read: Sam 460), won't make the Fiat perform at a Porsche level, there are too many limiting factors, too many bottle necks. A Fiat 126 simply couldn't support an engine like that, couldn't make full use of it. And of course, if there is no driver, then it won't move at all! And here you are, touting: "A Porsche 911 Turbo engine is way too slow for a Fiat 126, I think it should have a Ferrari F1 engine instead", which really doesn't make any sense at all. And since there is no driver, your Fiat doesn't move anyway, and you spend most of your time standing beside it, looking at it, dreaming about it, and talking to others about it and its fantasy future and theoretical performance it *could/should* have on FiatWorld.net. It's a discussion club. And has been for years, and will be for years to come. While others have had much fun during all that time (and still have, and will have for a long time still), driving around in their BMW 535's (MorphOS on Mac's), fitted with the proper/suitable BMW 535 engines that was meant for the car. Sure, it's no Porsche 911, but it's no Fiat 126 either. And sure, they may be second hand, and yes, they are aging, but old as they are, they are for sure "reasonably priced cars" and with a driver like "the Stig" (meaning: the lightweight MorphOS can do some things that simply wasn't possible when that fat Mac dude was behind the wheel), it can for sure be a very fun ride for those interested in *actually riding stuff* instead of just talking/dreaming about it!

:)

That's why the MorphOS Team's Mac support was the winning strategy compared to OS4! 79 possible platforms to search for, with great diversity, ranging from very compact/low footprint like the Mac Mini (my personal favorite) via the "big-box" desktop G4's, to the big bad G5's! And don't forget: Two entire families of laptops! :cool:

The graphics cards works great, and thanks to competent drivers that can actually handle them, they do pretty much everything they are supposed to do! Games like Skyrim isn't realistically going to happen for anything Amiga anyway (and no, this is *not* because of absence of Radeon R9 (Volcanic Islands) GFX cards), and for whatever SW the Amiga platform has, the R200/R300 (and R500) is a perfect match! Sure, I wouldn't mind having Radeon Volcanic Islands support in MorphOS, but then I would also like to have Intel Z87 + Core i3/i5/i7 Haswell support (with 64-bit and SMP) as well... ;)

:)
« Last Edit: February 18, 2014, 11:58:31 AM by takemehomegrandma »
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Offline itix

Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #152 on: February 18, 2014, 11:43:48 AM »
Quote from: vox;759071
That is it. No one has a tested card list and since HD2400 is hard to find and way too slow, most of SAM460 user like I, start with Radeon HD 4000

if you find HD2400 too slow and HD4000 then it is a bug in Radeon driver.

Newer gfx cards get better in 3D but since it is SAM460 it doesnt really matter.

@spirantho

You could file a report against yssing or just ignore it.
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Offline danwood

Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #153 on: February 18, 2014, 11:53:43 AM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;759103
"Way too slow" for what exactly? :crazy:

Remember that the Sam 460 only has an embedded PowerPC 460 class CPU (no altivec etc) running at mere 1/1.1GHz that struggles in keeping up with even a Pegasos 2 (and the more recent 1.4GHz+ G4 Macs can be close to 2x as fast as the Peg2 in some areas). Its 4 lanes of PCI-e 1.1 interface provides a theoretical maximum of 1000MB/s bandwidth, to a graphics cards that has no 3D acceleration support, no overlay support and officially not even 2D acceleration support as of yet! Compare this to the much faster G4's of 1.42GHz/1.67GHz or even higher (up to 1.8/2.0GHz with 3rd party accelerators) with 1066MB/s AGP 4X, or up to 2.7GHz G5 CPU's with a 2133MB/s AGP 8X interface to graphics cards with real 2D acceleration, 3D acceleration, overlay, etc.

Bolting on a Porsche 911 Turbo engine (read: fast GFX card) to an old Fiat 126 (read: Sam 460), won't make the Fiat perform at a Porsche level, there are too many limiting factors, too many bottle necks. A Fiat 126 simply couldn't support an engine like that, couldn't make full use of it. And of course, if there is no driver, then it won't move at all! And here you are, touting: "A Porsche 911 Turbo engine is way too slow for a Fiat 126, I think it should have a Ferrari F1 engine instead", which really doesn't make any sense at all. And since there is no driver, your Fiat doesn't move anyway, and you spend most of your time standing beside it, looking at it, dreaming about it, and talking to others about it and its fantasy future and theoretical performance it *could/should* have on FiatWorld.net. It's a discussion club. And has been for years, and will be for years to come. While others have had much fun during all that time (and still have, and will have for a long time still), driving around in their BMW 535's (MorphOS on Mac's), fitted with the proper/suitable BMW 535 engines that was meant for the car. Sure, it's no Porsche 911, but it's no Fiat 126 either. And sure, they may be second hand, and yes, they are aging, but old as they are, they are for sure "reasonably priced cars" and with a driver like "the Stig" (meaning: the lightweight MorphOS can do some things that simply wasn't possible when that fat Mac dude was behind the wheel), it can for sure be a very fun ride for those interested in *actually riding stuff* instead of just talking/dreaming about it!

:)

That's why the MorphOS Team's Mac support was the winning strategy compared to OS4! 79 possible platforms to search for, with great diversity, ranging from very compact/low footprint like the Mac Mini (my personal favorite) via the "big-box" desktop G4's, to the big bad G5's! And don't forget: Two entire families of laptops! :cool:

The graphics cards works great, and thanks to competent drivers that can actually handle them, they do pretty much everything they are supposed to do! Games like Skyrim isn't realistically going to happen for anything Amiga anyway (and no, this is *not* because of absence of Radeon R9 (Volcanic Islands) GFX cards), and for whatever SW the Amiga platform has, the R200/R300 (and R500) is a perfect match! Sure, I wouldn't mind having Radeon Volcanic Islands support in MorphOS, but then I would like to have Intel Z87 + Core i3/i5/i7 Haswell support (with 64-bit and SMP) as well... ;)

:)

Well said, indeed I am still baffled why Vox when down the expensive, slower and less supported Sam460 to run MorphOS rather than just getting a Mini g4 for like $100?

Each to their own though, but the PPC Mac support is definitely a huge bonus of MorphOS.  When my A1XE was starting to act up I looked at my options, as you say the 460 is only around the same performance level as an A1XE/Pegasos, and in many ways inferior as it has less developed/finished drivers.  So the only option for an upgrade was to drop £3,000 on an X1000 which was out of the question so MorphOS on a cheap mini now satisfies my "NG" needs.
 

Offline danwood

Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #154 on: February 18, 2014, 11:58:44 AM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;759054

Sure, relying on HW that isn't being manufactured anymore will eventually become a problem
:cool:

Hasn't been much of a problem for Amiga users, we're using hardware much older than PPC Macs that are less than a decade old.  I don't see it being a problem for a good 5-10 years at least when the G5 support it totally finished.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2014, 12:09:59 PM by danwood »
 

Offline yssing

Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #155 on: February 18, 2014, 12:29:32 PM »
Yes you could blame me for bringing up OS4, but in fact it was brought up by Iggy before I mentioned anything.

But lets blame me, it's funnier, atleast I won't be suing any one. :D
 

Offline Iggy

Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #156 on: February 18, 2014, 01:26:27 PM »
Quote from: yssing;759108
Yes you could blame me for bringing up OS4, but in fact it was brought up by Iggy before I mentioned anything.

But lets blame me, it's funnier, atleast I won't be suing any one. :D

Guilty as charge.

A bad habit which I will try to reform.

No NG application really stresses any of our systems in terms of video bandwidth.
And we steadily adopt even more powerful cards (MorphOS working up WITH 3D support, and OS4 leapfrogging to the top without).
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Offline Alexco

Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #157 on: February 18, 2014, 07:46:03 PM »
For me it would be enough if they just start to support the white iBooks G3.
At least this would make my G3 800MHz usable again :-)
 

Offline AmigaClassicRule

Re: Power Macintosh G5
« Reply #158 on: February 18, 2014, 11:34:20 PM »
Quote from: Dr.Bongo;736225
Sorry to flame

Liar!!
 

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Offline Boot_WB

Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
« Reply #160 on: February 19, 2014, 02:20:44 AM »
Quote from: AmigaClassicRule;759146
Is this the laptop version I need to run MorphOS on it?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Apple-A1107-17-1-67MGz-Aluminum-PowerBook-G4-Laptop-160GB-HD-2GB-Mem-Superdrive-/151231109939?pt=Apple_Laptops&hash=item2336139b33


That is one of the many models.
Everymac.com is a really good site for checking detailed info on the hardware - most Apple G4 laptop models are supported (all G4 iBooks, most aluminium G4 Powerbooks, but none of the Titanium ones) - the only exception being a few early aluminium Powerbooks that had NVidea graphics cards.

If you have any doubts about the exact model you're bidding on, ask the seller to check the 'About my Mac' screen for the model number, then look this up on Everymac.com.

NB - The morphos-team website (hardware support page) needs clarifying - it states that " Powerbook G4 [...] Only models with a Radeon graphics chip are supported", whereas it should say "Only aluminium models with a Radeon..." (Titanium models have various Radeon Mobility)
Mac Mini G4 (1.5GHz, 64MB VRam, 1GB Ram): MorphOS 3.6
Powerbook 5.8 (15", 1.67GHz, 128MB VRam, 1GB Ram): MorphOS 3.8.

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Offline AmigaClassicRule

Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
« Reply #161 on: February 19, 2014, 02:40:34 AM »
The only problem I have with MorphOS..is that it does not support Java. Had it support Java I would get rid of my windows 7 laptop and get a MorphOS and use it instead. Why?

because I have an online courses in an online university that runs a java program...therefore I cannot even use Linux.

I would rather have a morphos laptop to be honest..but I will get morphOS in the future in a laptop form and buy it...cheaper than OS 4.1 and even OS 4.1 does not even support laptop.
 

Offline haywirepc

Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
« Reply #162 on: February 19, 2014, 02:49:55 AM »
You could also throw an extra low power consuming x86 windows pc next to your morphos box and just remote desktop to it from your morphOS machine.

I saw someone doing this once, and it was pretty cool...
 

Offline AmigaClassicRule

Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
« Reply #163 on: February 19, 2014, 03:47:43 AM »
OOh! In that case...I will diffidently use MorphOS and the laptop as my main OS and main laptop then! Would I be able to hear the audio in the remote?
 

Offline antikk

Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #164 on: February 19, 2014, 07:50:24 AM »
Why are you bringing a premium car into this discussion? And why are you settling for only a 535? I'm asuming you're talking about a e34 535 around 90 model. With 400000km on the counter. With much rust, engine starting to fail due to no service. Leaking oil. Rubbish interior. Why didn't you aim a bit higher? Like an m5? :)
Whats the difference  between 2d hardware acceleration and real 2d hardware acceleration?
And fitting an porsche engine into a fiat would be nice. And since you're comparing that to gfx card and sam. That means you have the engine connected to the drive chain etc. making the fiat fast.
I don't see why a fiat can't be as fast as a porsche.


Quote from: takemehomegrandma;759103
"Way too slow" for what exactly? :crazy:

Remember that the Sam 460 only has an embedded PowerPC 460 class CPU (no altivec etc) running at mere 1/1.1GHz that struggles in keeping up with even a Pegasos 2 (and the more recent 1.4GHz+ G4 Macs can be close to 2x as fast as the Peg2 in some areas). Its 4 lanes of PCI-e 1.1 interface provides a theoretical maximum of 1000MB/s bandwidth, to a graphics cards that has no 3D acceleration support, no overlay support and officially not even 2D acceleration support as of yet! Compare this to the much faster G4's of 1.42GHz/1.67GHz or even higher (up to 1.8/2.0GHz with 3rd party accelerators) with 1066MB/s AGP 4X, or up to 2.7GHz G5 CPU's with a 2133MB/s AGP 8X interface to graphics cards with real 2D acceleration, 3D acceleration, overlay, etc.

Bolting on a Porsche 911 Turbo engine (read: fast GFX card) to an old Fiat 126 (read: Sam 460), won't make the Fiat perform at a Porsche level, there are too many limiting factors, too many bottle necks. A Fiat 126 simply couldn't support an engine like that, couldn't make full use of it. And of course, if there is no driver, then it won't move at all! And here you are, touting: "A Porsche 911 Turbo engine is way too slow for a Fiat 126, I think it should have a Ferrari F1 engine instead", which really doesn't make any sense at all. And since there is no driver, your Fiat doesn't move anyway, and you spend most of your time standing beside it, looking at it, dreaming about it, and talking to others about it and its fantasy future and theoretical performance it *could/should* have on FiatWorld.net. It's a discussion club. And has been for years, and will be for years to come. While others have had much fun during all that time (and still have, and will have for a long time still), driving around in their BMW 535's (MorphOS on Mac's), fitted with the proper/suitable BMW 535 engines that was meant for the car. Sure, it's no Porsche 911, but it's no Fiat 126 either. And sure, they may be second hand, and yes, they are aging, but old as they are, they are for sure "reasonably priced cars" and with a driver like "the Stig" (meaning: the lightweight MorphOS can do some things that simply wasn't possible when that fat Mac dude was behind the wheel), it can for sure be a very fun ride for those interested in *actually riding stuff* instead of just talking/dreaming about it!

:)

That's why the MorphOS Team's Mac support was the winning strategy compared to OS4! 79 possible platforms to search for, with great diversity, ranging from very compact/low footprint like the Mac Mini (my personal favorite) via the "big-box" desktop G4's, to the big bad G5's! And don't forget: Two entire families of laptops! :cool:

The graphics cards works great, and thanks to competent drivers that can actually handle them, they do pretty much everything they are supposed to do! Games like Skyrim isn't realistically going to happen for anything Amiga anyway (and no, this is *not* because of absence of Radeon R9 (Volcanic Islands) GFX cards), and for whatever SW the Amiga platform has, the R200/R300 (and R500) is a perfect match! Sure, I wouldn't mind having Radeon Volcanic Islands support in MorphOS, but then I would also like to have Intel Z87 + Core i3/i5/i7 Haswell support (with 64-bit and SMP) as well... ;)

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