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Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« on: July 16, 2012, 11:45:31 PM »
As many of you know, I swear by MorphOS. I just LOVE it!!!!

I had an eMac which died on me, and I have been without MorphOS for months now and was very excited to get back to work on some of my audio projects.

I was one of the few who registered Audio Evolution back before it became free.

Also I was hyped about the upcoming release of DigiBooster 3, not to mention the announcement that HD-Rec was supposed to receive and update.

Well I finally have something to complain about. I will make a long story short and just say that I am now jobless, I have to move, and I do not have time or money to mess around with getting another Mac. I had ordered a Mac Mini, but got an intel instead of a G4, so I returned it and ordered another one as the MorphOS team told me they would transfer the license from my dead eMac (very kind of them).

Well, I finally get my G4 Mac Mini, and I'm all excited about transfering the license, installing my audio software and this and that, but...

Well first off, no one has contact me about my license, but sometimes that takes a while so I'm still working with MorphOS in 30 minute increments. No biggy though, I'm sure they are busy, I can wait a few more hours.

What really ticks me off though is that I come to realize (too late) that Mac, being all artistic and innovative as they are, decided to save a penny and not include a Line-in port.

Go figure!!! I bet all those Gargeband users are just psyched about that!!!

Well OS X users do not have to worry, they can use USB audio devices to resolve this issue, but MorphOS on the other hand, in all it's glory, is no better than AROS, Classic Amiga, or OS 4 when it comes to their USB stack....

Out of all the Alt Amiga OS's I figured that the MorphOS team would have put the USB stack as a priority in their development, after all there is HD-Rec, there are a couple of us who registered Audio Evolution for $75 bucks (if memory serves correctly), and there is soon to be Digi Booster 3 on the way, but hey...

...guess what? If you are a Mac Mini user, you are screwed because no one seemed to think that Trident with all its limitations deserved an update.

What the heck man?!?!?!?

I have always been a major MorphOS supporter, at least since I first fired it up and realized how very advanced it was and how the dev team seemed to have their priorities straight, but this is just a slap in the face.

Just wanted to moan a little, stick a fork in me.

BTW, I am greatful to the MorphOS team to offering to transfer my key rather than charge me more money to support a another machine. And I do still love MorphOS, but this is just a major let down, I don't know why one of the coolest OS's in the world has to neglect such an important feature.
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 01:03:05 AM »
The whole situation.

A: That I first got an intel Mac, had to ship that back, then wait longer for a PPC Mac propper.
 This of course has nothing to do with the MorphOS team, but it added to my frustration seeing as I was psyched to replace my dead eMac and take advantage of all the new features of MorphOS 3.1

B: The fact that Apple insists that they are so artistic and innovative. That they sell a piece of software for musicians called Garage Band, and yet....

...with their smallest most space friendly model, which you would think would be perfect for musicians, they fail to include an audio in port. I wonder how much that saved them? 2 cents?!?!
 OS X users can of course buy a cheap USB sound card and problem solved, but still that is lame.

C: The fact that the MorphOS team, as good as they seem to be about support and taking care of priorities...

...you know those things that are essential for a modern OS experience....

...seem to have failed to so much as touch Trident and expand upon the USB capabilities.

Everyone knows that there are multiple audio app options for MorphOS, some of those options are commercial or used to be, like the copy of Audio Evolution that I paid for for my old dead eMac, and yet, NOTHING has been done to improve Trident so we can start using USB sound cards. As a matter of fact, to the best of my knowledge, no effort has been put forth to add support for CAMD and USB MIDI devices either.

So for me, that is a major slap in the face. I was eager to use this, but now find that even though MorphOS has updated from version 2.7 to 3.1, that NOTHING has been done to prepare for the Hd-Rec updates, the new release of Digibooster 3 (which is commercial btw), or Audio Evolution, which again I paid for back in the day.

Nope, us Mac Mini users end up with an OS that runs great and does it all, but don't expect to use your basic Audio software to record into your machine because...

...well apparently in a USB world, USB is not a priority.

 
So far people have told me to dual boot into OS X as a solution, which again I find lame. The idea is to use MoprhOS and MorphOS alone!

Some people have suggested that I sell the Mac Mini and buy a tower, but I have no job, have to move soon, and basically do not have time or money to keep buying new systems, and besides a tower takes up too  much space, the Mac Min is perfect in size and would fit in nicely with my recording studio, but again, providig propper support for the apps on one's own OS doe not seem to be a priority.

To think of the things I could do if I could just use a USB audio device like nearly every other OS in the world, but alas, I have to be stuck with a USB system designed for a limited 68k machine. LAME LAME LAME!!!

If I had money I'd start a bounty (I've always donated to bounty's before), but again, I'm between jobs. I was hoping this would just be ready by now and I could use what I paid for. :/
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 01:50:17 AM »
Quote from: kolla;700355
Ah, so there's your complaint :)

Trying to use MorphOS for music production is a waste of time, you should have kept the Intel mini, and just used UAE for the occational use of Amiga software.


BLASPHEMY!!!!! You speak BLASPHEMY!!! :)


I would use my AROS machine for the job, but you know those Sound Blaster lives that AROS is supposed to support so well?

Well guess what, they only record static when I have them installed on my AROS machine, on my Windows machine they record perfectly. Sad sad sad.

But anyhow, NO UAE! That's just sick man!
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 02:07:02 AM »
Someone brought those up in MorphOS zone, but when I say I'm between jobs, that means pretty damn broke unfortunatlely. :/

I'd rather that support for my $4.00 Hong Kong USB Sound Card be added instead. It doesn't need drivers either. Works perfectly fine under Windows and OS X, but...

...I don't want to use those OS's. Everything must be Amiga centric!!! :)

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XD, have you considered trying a Firewire Audio Interface like this one from Behringer:

http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCA202

Firewire devices can frequently work without drivers and may "just work" ... for $79.99 it's a small outlay and you can always ask if they'll let you return it if it doesnt work? (seeing as you are in between jobs and all).
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2012, 02:23:43 AM »
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Fair enuf, it must be tuff being out of work! I'd be royally screwed (big mortgage, no savings!) :nervous:



Ya, I could have worse problems...

...I mean I do, but nothing too pressing I guess. I'll survive.
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2012, 02:34:04 AM »
There are always work arounds...

I'm going to have to keep my PeeSea tower in my set up for now. Then later when I get back to work I'll probably just buy a second machine for MorphOS and register a second copy because...

I REALLY wanted to run MoprhOS on a compact Mac MINI, it would have went well amongst all my gear, but now I think in the future I will have a smaller Mac Tower amongst that gear instead. Until then...

It's all Windows for the recording side of things. The upsdie at least is that my Amiga 1200 will still be controlling the MIDI side of things. Half way there... :)
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2012, 02:39:48 AM »
Ya no doubt.

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Why build something in when you can sell an expensive proprietary accessory lead instead.
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 02:51:46 AM »
I noticed that! :)

The Intel Mac that the guy on Ebay shipped me by mistake had one, so I expected this model to have one...

No such luck!!!

I'd take time here to threaten Mr. Job's life, but...

Nature already beat me to it.

May he rest in peace.
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2012, 02:57:32 AM »
Geez man!!!!

I left off at 2.7, now I am using 3.1 for the first time...

It's seductive. Sure, MorphOS failed us musicians, but MAN, did they really excell in all other areas!

This is NICE!!!! VERY Professional!!!!
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2012, 11:09:48 PM »
I'm supposed to be able to record in AROS with my SB Live, but all it produces is noiz and not the good noiz either, just static. :)

Of course everyone else seems to be devoid of these issues.

I have trouble shot everything per AROS-exec, and still nothing.

So far all my best music apps remain on my classic Amiga.

OctaMED SS and HD-Rec.


Anyhow though the MorphOS team did not make Apple's hardware, I do feel that they should put MorphOS' audio, midi, wireless, and USB to the top of their priority list.
I mean if people are developing music software for their OS (audio evolution, hd-Rec, digi booster 3), and people are willing to buy these products (ok two of them are free now) not to mention pay for MorphOS, then the very least the MorphOS team could do would be to make sure that everything is fully supported, hardware, software, and all. Otherwise it's like saying,"we don't care what you write for our OS, we won't help make it work better infect we don't care how much money you put into this, it will be ready when it's ready."

Which reminds me of the AROS motto and not the motto of a commercial product that people are supposed to e convinced to buy.

All in all, the Amiga was always known as a media system, so why aren't next gen Amiga OS' putting media and creativity in the fore front?!?!?
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2012, 11:56:11 PM »
Yep, unlike OS 4 it crashes the system. I brought this up to the MorohOS guys before, but they don't seem to care enough to look into it.

Guess my investment into their OS don't count.
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2012, 02:37:00 AM »
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MorphOS Customer Service Memo

haha I miss that site. :)


Funny funny, and sometimes that certainly seems true, but MorphOS (aside of the beef I'm having in particular) is quite polished, is pretty well documented, and I have received friendly help mostly.

Also, Fab has always seemed to listen to the users, I can say that! He's a good man. :)
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2012, 09:45:13 PM »
Really, HD-Rec runs on a MiniMig? How fast and how much RAM do you have to spare? That program is just awesome. In fact I feel that that program alone is reason enough for the MorphOS team to get their butts in gear and refocus on getting the USB and MIDI side of things going so we can take advantage of some of those cheap USB cards out there.

Quote from: kolla;700524
Heck yeah, and they also work nicely with Minimig, looking forward to trying them out on FPGA Arcade :)



Totally agree, the focus has been on video playback and framerates in Quake for way too long.



Because they can finally watch youtube with OWB - that has kept them busy for years.
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2012, 09:46:26 PM »
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I don't think so, Isochronous USB transfers are not planned at all so that rules out most USB soundcards


If that is true then my relationship with MorphOS will not follow much further into the future. This IS going to cost them a loss in future sales and it is going to be a further slap in the face to all the Amiga users who want to use their old software to it's fullest.

LAME LAME LAME!!!!
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Re: Alas, I come to complain about MorphOS
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2012, 10:26:43 PM »
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I was a bit quick there, I dont know about HD-Rec, and I don't know where I would hook in the sampler on the Minimig, I use other devices for sampling.


Can you do midi on the mini mig?
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