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Offline Matt_H

ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« on: January 06, 2011, 03:27:15 PM »
From OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/24209/NVIDIA_Announces_ARM_CPU_for_Desktop_Server_HPC

And Microsoft is bringing Windows to ARM. This is getting weird.
 

Offline nicholas

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2011, 04:01:08 PM »
Quote from: Matt_H;604322
From OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/24209/NVIDIA_Announces_ARM_CPU_for_Desktop_Server_HPC

And Microsoft is bringing Windows to ARM. This is getting weird.


Never underestimate the stubborn attitude of we Brits.

"If at first you don’t succeed, try and try again."

This is the sweet revenge of Acorn! :D
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Offline whabang

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 04:02:32 PM »
So that's why nVidia wanted the Transmeta IP!
Beating the dead horse since 2002.
 

Offline the_leander

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 04:45:40 PM »
Quote from: Matt_H;604322
From OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/24209/NVIDIA_Announces_ARM_CPU_for_Desktop_Server_HPC

And Microsoft is bringing Windows to ARM. This is getting weird.


Nvidia have been banging on about their tegra gear for years.

Nothing has ever come of it, virtually nothing uses it afaik and the AC100 Toshiba netbook which came out recently and was reviewed by El Reg found that the software is years away from being usable.

Even MIPS has better software support.

So as far as ARM on the desktop goes... Lol, sorry, but it won't happen. Even in the NAS and home server/STB markets ARM is being pushed out by x86, specifically Atom.

It simply doesn't have either the software or the performance.
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Offline nicholas

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 04:54:18 PM »
The 1GHz Qualcomm in this HD2 I'm typing from wipes the floor with the almost 2GHz Atom in my wife's Acer netbook and it's several generations old now.


Quote from: the_leander;604337
Nvidia have been banging on about their tegra gear for years.

Nothing has ever come of it, virtually nothing uses it afaik and the AC100 Toshiba netbook which came out recently and was reviewed by El Reg found that the software is years away from being usable.

Even MIPS has better software support.

So as far as ARM on the desktop goes... Lol, sorry, but it won't happen. Even in the NAS and home server/STB markets ARM is being pushed out by x86, specifically Atom.

It simply doesn't have either the software or the performance.
“Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” - Imam Ayatollah Sayyed  Ruhollah Khomeini
 

Offline the_leander

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 05:00:04 PM »
Quote from: nicholas;604340
The 1GHz Qualcomm in this HD2 I'm typing from wipes the floor with the almost 2GHz Atom in my wife's Acer netbook and it's several generations old now.


I hope you've got some benchmarks to back that up. Because every review of the HD2 I've seen has said much the same: Good hardware let down by piss poor software.

Also, comparing a phone to a netbook which is doing a whole hell of a lot more, really?
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Offline nicholas

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 05:17:38 PM »
Exactly, shit hot hardware but in this case shot hot software (Gingerbread on the internal NAND).

This runs UAE perfectly without dropping a frame and perfect audio.

The netbook can't do the same.

Quote from: the_leander;604341
I hope you've got some benchmarks to back that up. Because every review of the HD2 I've seen has said much the same: Good hardware let down by piss poor software.

Also, comparing a phone to a netbook which is doing a whole hell of a lot more, really?
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Offline the_leander

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 05:30:03 PM »
Quote from: nicholas;604347


This runs UAE perfectly without dropping a frame and perfect audio.


Again, citation needed.

Quote from: nicholas;604347

The netbook can't do the same.


Right, and what else is the netbook doing? Is it running Vista or Win7, for instance?
Blessed Be,
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Offline nicholas

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 05:36:58 PM »
Quote from: the_leander;604349
Again, citation needed.

You can see for yourself next time you come for a curry.

Quote
Right, and what else is the netbook doing? Is it running Vista or Win7, for instance?

Exactly the same as the phone is. Linux.
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Offline the_leander

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 05:44:06 PM »
Quote from: nicholas;604352
You can see for yourself next time you come for a curry.


Hmm! And is my shout iirc...

Gonna have to book some time off in the none too distant future :D


Quote from: nicholas;604352

Exactly the same as the phone is. Linux.


Goodo, but what kind? Some lightweight distro like crunchbang or some full fat distro like Kubuntu?
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Offline nicholas

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 05:50:34 PM »
Quote from: the_leander;604355
Hmm! And is my shout iirc...

Gonna have to book some time off in the none too distant future :D





Goodo, but what kind? Some lightweight distro like crunchbang or some full fat distro like Kubuntu?


Debian with LXDE.

I can run Ubuntu 9.10 on the HD2 though and it's nice and snappy.
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Offline Karlos

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 05:53:03 PM »
I can see I am going to have to root my new phone at some point as it's only half the clock speed of the HD2...
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Offline whabang

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2011, 06:23:10 PM »
Quote from: nicholas;604358
Debian with LXDE.

I can run Ubuntu 9.10 on the HD2 though and it's nice and snappy.
Bah, LXDE is big and bloated! I use a pure Openbox install with Guake as a terminal emulator. Only reason for having X is that I want a graphical web browser. ;)
Beating the dead horse since 2002.
 

Offline yakumo9275

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2011, 06:35:43 PM »
Quote from: the_leander;604337
Nvidia have been banging on about their tegra gear for years.

Nothing has ever come of it, virtually nothing uses it afaik and the AC100 Toshiba netbook which came out recently and was reviewed by El Reg found that the software is years away from being usable.

Even MIPS has better software support.

So as far as ARM on the desktop goes... Lol, sorry, but it won't happen. Even in the NAS and home server/STB markets ARM is being pushed out by x86, specifically Atom.

It simply doesn't have either the software or the performance.


uh, you do realise that Project Denver is not Tegra. Their new chip is nothing to do with Tegra at all.
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Offline the_leander

Re: ARM as a high-powered desktop CPU: Did not see that coming
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2011, 06:44:17 PM »
Quote from: yakumo9275;604373
uh, you do realise that Project Denver is not Tegra. Their new chip is nothing to do with Tegra at all.


And you do realise that for all of that, Tegra throughout it's entire life was used in sweet fa. Just like it's predecessor Project Denver is likely to share the same fate unfortunately. The market for these things has all but moved on.

As much as I have a soft spot for alternative cpu archs, ARM has less and less of a place outside of cellphones and embedded sectors - neither of which need something for the most part along the lines of Tegra or Denver.

Atom has all but subsumed the high performance STB/Nas/home server markets and when coupled with Nvidia's ION2 chipset makes for a remarkably potent system, especially in it's dual core variants.
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