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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2009, 07:20:53 PM »
If i'm not mistaken, mac os x it's based on bsd, so it has a unix/linux part on it.
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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2009, 07:41:44 PM »
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If i'm not mistaken, mac os x it's based on bsd, so it has a unix/linux part on it.

You are not mistaken in that OSX is based on BSD, but BSD in nothing to do with Linux. The internals of the kernel differ considerably between BSD and Linux. Try accessing the /proc file system on any "Unix" that isn't Linux if you don't believe me.

Today most people seem to think that if it runs a gnome desktop and it has a bash shell it must be Linux :(

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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2009, 04:10:41 AM »
@HammerD

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 Bought this mac mini from a "neighborhood apple guy" on craigslist ,just not MY neighborhood;met him  midway  so didn't get to see it hooked up and working.Knew there was no optical drive but now the mini isn't seeing any OS on the installed 89gb Apple hard drive.Otherwise appears ok,heard  startup chimes,have display but it is  blinking question mark alternating with  mac happy face inside folder icon.I
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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2009, 06:50:58 PM »
Well,another lesson in always try to see the whatever plugged in!
The  imac mini's hard drive is bad,just chatters,never loads,but substituting a spare 20gb  laptop drive confirms the G4 itself works.
Trying to get  seller to replace drive; if he doesn't it still wasn't a bad price.
 It IS the 1.25Ghz ,256 RAM,with 32mb video but that should still be much better than the efikas' 400mHz and 128 RAM.
And  a 1GB RAM stick  is on the Christmas list!
 

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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2009, 07:17:34 PM »
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You are not mistaken in that OSX is based on BSD, but BSD in nothing to do with Linux. The internals of the kernel differ considerably between BSD and Linux. Try accessing the /proc file system on any "Unix" that isn't Linux if you don't believe me.

Today most people seem to think that if it runs a gnome desktop and it has a bash shell it must be Linux :(

Gaz


But bsd is a unix or a linux kernel?. I*remember that freebsd and netdsb are linuxes.*Could you explain it?. I want to know what are the differences.
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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2009, 07:48:09 PM »
There are hundreds of different Unices out there. Here is a - highly simplified - overview. Linux is just one branch of it, just a rather popular one.
These guys made a surprisingly complete chart - should give an impression on what this is about.
Linux (0.01) surfaces 1991, some 20(!) years after the first UNICS.
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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2009, 08:03:18 PM »
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But bsd is a unix or a linux kernel?
BSD is more unix than linux is. But it isn't a simple topic, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution

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I*remember that freebsd and netdsb are linuxes.*Could you explain it?.
You remember it wrong.

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OS X uses XNU kernel, with much of the userland from FreeBSD. No linux there.
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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2009, 08:19:42 PM »
I'll put it in basic terms, it's not 100% accurate this way, but it makes the message more clear (I think)

OSX is based on a Unix kernel

BSD is basically a Unix kernel

The Linux kernel is unix-like, but it is, in reality, quite different

Hope that makes sense.

I'd like to make clear (again) that I know that's a very big over-simplification, but it should hopefully point out the difference a bit better
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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2009, 01:11:04 PM »
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There are hundreds of different Unices out there. Here is a - highly simplified - overview. Linux is just one branch of it, just a rather popular one.
These guys made a surprisingly complete chart - should give an impression on what this is about.
Linux (0.01) surfaces 1991, some 20(!) years after the first UNICS.


@Zac67 I had forgotten that diagram and it sums up the relationships better than I could in a few thousand words.

The important thing to note in this diagram is that most other modern Unix's are in parts based on the versions that came before them. Linux was build purely as a work alike and its code base is completely separate from any other Unix. (remember we are taking purely about the OS kernel internals)

Moral: If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably an open source copy of a duck but not really a duck at all :D

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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2009, 02:21:03 AM »
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Does any of you know if there is some attempt at porting MorphOS to the Power Mac G4? Is there some developing going on towards that route?

Thanks

PS: Where I live a used MacMini G4 costs aproximately 250 USD and a Power Mac G4 just 100 USD!


Some news, have a look here.
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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2009, 03:53:04 AM »
@Golem!dk     
Thanks, that was the kind of info i was looking for! It is great! I better start looking for the proper Power Mac G4.


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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2009, 10:05:58 AM »
I have a  Power Mac Digital Audio @ 667 MHz hoping it will work
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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2009, 01:45:19 PM »
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Some news, have a look here.




Cool! Thats good news! I'm happy with the mini though.
 

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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2009, 02:10:27 PM »
Great!
 I have two Powermac G4 towers here.
 

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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2009, 02:24:23 PM »
@piru @binox
Thanks for the examples provided. Now i have it clear hehehe :D
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Re: MorphOS and Power Mac G4
« Reply #29 from previous page: November 30, 2009, 05:49:18 PM »
Quote from: Golem!dk;531838
Some news, have a look here.


It's now confirmed that MorphOS is about to be released for cheap, new world PowerMAC G4 systems, available at speeds up to 1.8 GHz:

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6684&forum=11

:-)

Another promising (but still unconfirmed) development is MorphOS for G4 Powerbooks:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50075

Go MorphOS, go! :-)
MorphOS is Amiga done right! :)