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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2003, 08:17:12 PM »
why did he not promote osx instead? clearly that is a better OS than windows.. kinda weird of redhat to suddently back off like this, since they have been promoting linux on desktop for such a long time now.. kinda a big slap in the face to the other linux distros also.. i guess redhat got greedy... they see much more money on the enterprise side and clearly do not want to see any other linux distros profit on the desktop side, since they obiousely failed there.
 

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2003, 08:18:42 PM »
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I think its pretty stupid that a CEO of a company says 'don't use our product' ...

They went enterprise server only.. they ditched desktop/free distro totally and now obiousely dont want anyone else to make profit on desktop side either.
 

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2003, 08:22:07 PM »
I totally agree with seehund...
I installed mandrake 8.x on my parents pc a year or so back, they have no problems using it at all  :-D They actually thinks it is great! since they have not been having a single crash since it was installed.. uptime on 75-80 days now
 

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2003, 08:26:42 PM »
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Why do I have to log in?

You can make linux/kde automaticly login the user just as windows... most newer distros ask if you want to use that option after install, just as windows.
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Now, imagine he was running Linux. First of all, he's got to install it. Swap partition

that is also automaticly setup in any modern distro.
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With Windows, he can basically just slide a CD in the drive and click "Install", and still he wants me to do it for him

same thing can you do with many native linux software too  :-)
 

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2003, 08:53:13 PM »
I see the arguments and I love Linux and still would not set my dad up on it. I don't think it's ready for the standard home user.  Most home users (IMHO) want to go to the store and buy the new XYZ software product take it home and run it.  I know Linux has plenty of apps but with windows I just go to the store and there are hundreds of titles to choose from.  Plus I get my favorite game running on it.  Not an imitation.

Just my 2cents.

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2003, 09:08:40 PM »
What a surprise. Red Hat pull out of the consumer market, and therefore the home market, and so their CEO talks down Linux in the home to damage the other Linux distributors.

Linux is the fastest improving OS at the moment, and this includes the desktop. Too may people try out Debian and then complain that Linux is not user-friendly enough. DUH!!!

Perhaps folks should try out the latest SuSE or Mandrake and get a real idea of how friendly Linux can be.

Honestly, does anyone seriously claim that the Windows registry (particularly the W2k and XP ones) is user-friendly???
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2003, 09:35:27 PM »
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Honestly, does anyone seriously claim that the Windows registry (particularly the W2k and XP ones) is user-friendly???


No, I don't think anyone did claim that.
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2003, 10:04:16 PM »
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Perhaps folks should try out the latest SuSE or Mandrake and get a real idea of how friendly Linux can be.

I personally think that newer mandrake distros are way more user friendly than any of the redhat ones.. I cant say antyhing about SuSE though, no experience with it.

I can this though... mandrake supported all hardware out of the box on both my athlon, my dads p4 and my old compaq armada laptop. Only thing i had to do on my athlon was replacing the open source nvidia driver with the official one from nvidia, to get good perfomance out of my gfx card  :-D I did not install a single driver except for that.
 

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2003, 06:37:06 AM »
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I think its pretty stupid that a CEO of a company says 'don't use our product' ...
Well, what he's saying is that their product is not suited for the average home user, and he's right. Linux is much more suited for heavy business apps like web servers. Personally, I like Linux and other Unix like systems, but it can be a pain in the ass to setup. I tried to set it up on my system, had it working fine but could not figure out how to install a simple NIC driver. In the end I just gave up and formatted it with NTFS and never looked back. With WindowsXP, if it doesn't already have a driver for it, it can download it automatically for you, and that's how it should be. With linux, all I was able to find a was a simple C source file, which wouldn't even compile without it being edited. I wasn't sure what I was supposed to do with the binary, and the linux people I asked gave me answers that made no sense to me... So yeah, I think he's totally right to say that Linux isn't ready. To be honest, I don't think it will ever be ready.

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2003, 06:41:32 AM »
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Honestly, does anyone seriously claim that the Windows registry (particularly the W2k and XP ones) is user-friendly???
Yeah, but only experienced users should ber messing with the registry, and some of them really shouldn't be either. There are times when you can tweak things by editing the registry, but i've never seen a case where it's absolutely necessary to edit a registry. It's not like you need to edit the registry every time you install something. Sure some things might get left behind when you uninstall, but so what, hard drives are big and cheap these days!  :-)

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2003, 08:16:16 AM »
At last! A linuxer, who finally cuts the crap and tells the truth what linuxers do not want to admit to even himselves/herselves.  :lol:
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2003, 11:07:21 AM »
SuSE 8.2 rocks.

But I still can't use it as a Main OS (due to lack of drivers and software) :-(

Edit if I could get Reason to work in Linux (Using Wine, Reason boots fine but can't load or save due to some file system error :-( ) I would probably use Linux a lot more.

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2003, 02:27:42 PM »
@Glaucus

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Well, what he's saying is that their product is not suited for the average home user, and he's right.


No, he's not. He's saying that his competitors' products are not suited for the average home user. That's a very significant difference.
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2003, 02:48:37 PM »
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Yeah, but only experienced users should ber messing with the registry, and some of them really shouldn't be either. There are times when you can tweak things by editing the registry, but i've never seen a case where it's absolutely necessary to edit a registry. It's not like you need to edit the registry every time you install something. Sure some things might get left behind when you uninstall, but so what, hard drives are big and cheap these days!

It's not a question of hard drive space. It's a question of obsolete configurations, or Windows refusing to install something properly because you had it installed before and the uninstall process failed. It's a question of programs you try out and can't then get rid of because they install themselves to start up automatically and have no uninstaller. It's a question of adware and spyware installing itself without giving the user the option of removing it.

Sure, if nothing ever goes wrong you wouldn't need to touch the registry, but things do go wrong and the only way to fix them short of re-installing the whole OS from scratch is to edit the registry.

As for re-installing the whole OS, that not only sucks, but takes much longer to do than Linux (re-install+reconfigure). You should not have to re-install Linux, but doing so is easy because all the confugurations are held in the user's home directory (and therefore don't have to be wiped) while in Windows it's all in the registry, which is often the very reason why you have to re-install Windows in the first place.

I must admit, I've tried Linux a number of times over the years and always found it lacking, so I went back to Windows. However, after WinXP gave me incomprehensible problems again a couple of months ago I switched to the latest Mandrake and now I find it perfectly adequate for all my daily usage. There are still some specialised programs that I can only use in Windows, but then I rarely have to use them anyway.

One thing to note is that I can have a multi-functional system out-of-the-box, without having to pay huge amounts of money to achieve the same functionality with Windows applications. I'm happy that Linux is capable of being a home desktop system already, and I'm no expert. I have absolutely no doubt that it will continue to improve and that the Red Hat CEO's statement is deliberately setting out to damage a sector they no longer cover.
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2003, 05:50:38 PM »
Linux is fine on the desktop. It works for individuals that simply want a system that works and offers standard applications along with a few games. Businesses could save a lot of many in technical support if they switched their users to a Linux or BSD OS. Most only use office applications and play Solitaire. I know because I used to work in tech support for a national computer company. If not Linux, then MacOS X rocks. You can buy software for it in computer stores--even MS-Office.  BSD, which OS X is based on,  is better than Linux anyways. Linux distributions (other than Red Hat, which isn't very good anyways) that are found in Wal-Mart and computer stores would fit most user's application needs. I'd rather buy a Linux distro than AmigaOS, since at least Linux has a truck load more applications than AmigaOS; Linux is also more stable than AmigaOS. BeOS was the superior OS by design, but we all know how Be, Inc. killed it.
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #29 from previous page: November 06, 2003, 07:37:13 PM »
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I don't agree that (Red Hat) Linux is difficult to use, once it's installed and configured.
i agree. i had a friend install my RH on my multiboot laptop and it runs fine. in fact it runs great!!!

i can't recompile the kernal - but my feeling is: if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

i love my linux! :-D
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