AO Interview - Dave Haynie

[KennyR]

And my apologies for looking like I'm trolling - it's just the whole Haynie thing brings Amiga user stubborness to view. It's irritating, just like watching the crew of a sinking ship ignore the speedboats on the side and all pile into a rickety, half-inflated dingy just because it has a nice name written on it.

I just won't allow lies to be told about better paths. Crash 3 times out of 6? Haha!

[bhoggett]

@cdfr

Also I think Dave failed to understand Genesi plans wich are not to be the new Amiga, but to take the best of the Amiga to make new end user products that may be a start for a new revolution like the A1000 was.

Well, Dave's not the only one that doesn't undersand that. Perhaps that's because so far no one has managed to explain it in a coherent, clear, technically competent and unsentimental manner.

I've read the explanations and seen the enthusiasm, but looking at the cold hard facts leaves me unmoved about both Genesi and Amiga branded solutions. New? Maybe. Revolutionary, innovative or even merely better than the alternatives? Not unless you restrict your comparison to decade old solutions like AmigaOS 3.1.

Take away the jumping up and down and the clapping, and there's not much underneath.

[Calen]

Really great interview and well done to all involved, and big thanks to Dave also of course, is he the man or what :-)

Nothing else to say really, boing! ;-)

[meerschaum]

And my apologies for looking like I'm trolling - it's just the whole Haynie thing brings Amiga user stubborness to view. It's irritating, just like watching the crew of a sinking ship ignore the speedboats on the side and all pile into a rickety, half-inflated dingy just because it has a nice name written on it.[/and]

KennyR for once we see eye to eye on something.

[Targhan]

I had nothing, zero, zilch, nada to do with this article.  I'm afraid if I was in on this one it would have been skewed a bit.  (no, nothing to do with mos/os4.)

[System]

Dave,

Thanks very much for giving Kees and the Amiga community your time and energy to produce such a great interview.  

I understand your history with Commodore and the Amiga and I believe most of us here (including myself) hold you with a great deal of reverance.   Being one of the key members of Commodore and probably the biggest "celebrity" that we have left, your opinion carries a lot of weight and you're generally seen as a "larger than life illuminary".  

In relation to your history,
"Illuminary" == Original Commodore Engineer == One of the founding fathers of the Amiga == open-minded.

Without you and a few precious others, we wouldn't even be having this conversation and I for one have always been grateful of the contributions of the original team.

That being said, there are a couple of things about your interview responses that I would welcome the chance to discuss.  In particular, you state that while you're watching, you don't really have time for the Amiga community any more.  You then address Genesi and other alternatives to the classic platform as "wannabees".  I personally find that the wording you chose is a little..   disappointing.  Especially for someone I hold in such high regard as being open-minded.

Now, considering that you're -- self-admittedly -- a little out of touch with the community and what's going on, I find myself wondering if your perceptions might change if you actually had an opportunity to use a Pegasos with MorphOS?

To be honest -- and I believe most Pegasos owners here will agree -- a large majority of current Pegasos owners started out thinking exactly as you do now.  It's only through many events and shows where people could actually touch and feel MorphOS and the Pegasos that they realized what a truly cool system it really is...

To that point, I would like to make you an open offer.  I will, today if you so desire, crate up and send you my personal MorphOS 1.4 system (sans heavy monitor) and SuperBundle for your evaluation if you would be willing to clear your mind and give it a fair shake.  Alternatively, *if* I can manage to scrape together the funds, I would *personally* BUY you a round trip ticket to our DC Technology event in a couple of weeks, or any of the Technology events that we have scheduled in the next few months (list is at http://pegasosppc.com/community.php).  This is how much I believe in the Pegasos and MorphOS.

I'm *not* asking that you change your mind about the future of the systems or anything else.  You make some good very points about having to fight for our own future, but I am inviting you to step up to the plate, open your mind, and at least experience -- first hand -- what you're so willing to denounce as a "wannabe".    I honestly think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

What about it?  Feel up to the challenge?

Wayne Hunt
Web Presence Manager
Genesi USA

[uncharted]

the whole Haynie thing brings Amiga user stubborness to view. It's irritating, just like watching the crew of a sinking ship ignore the speedboats on the side and all pile into a rickety, half-inflated dingy just because it has a nice name written on it.

I just won't allow lies to be told about better paths

Let me just say this, it is better in your view, not necessarily everyones.  I've had a play with MOS and I wasn't overly impressed with it.  MOS info, screenshots etc. just don't get me excited.

By contrast, I find both AROS and AOS 4's progress extremely interesting and (for want of a better word) exciting.  I will spend ages looking at the latest AROS screenshots (more due soon I hope) and AOS shots.  

Maybe I'm totally wrong in my choices, but AmigaOS 4 seems closer to what *I* want than MorphOS does currently.  Surely I'm allowed to be "wrong" if I want to be?  I'm not doing any harm am I?  I'm not stopping anyone else from enjoying thier prefered system.

[Kees]

@ all

Please feel free to talk about Dave's views ... but please don't turn this thread into a OS4 vs  MOS  thread ...

@ Wayne

Maybe you should 'talk bussines' with Dave in private :-)

[System]

@Kees,

Not trying to be abrasive, and I don't want this to turn into a MorphOS versus Amiga thread either.  

Despite my sincere and deep respect for Dave's history with the Amiga, I simply feel that some of Dave's expressed opinions -- or at least the terminology used in that interview -- are abrasive and reflect someone who isn't fully informed.  

Hell, my opinion couldn't even be considered "informed" until I tried MorphOS.  I have however at least tried AmigaOS 4.0 (at AmiWest).  The tendency of most people is to form opinions by listening to other people.  It's much easier than forming opinions of your own.  :-)

I'm simply welcoming the opportunity to work with Dave to make sure that he remains as open-minded and informed as someone of his stature needs to be.  Nothing more, nothing less.

There is certainly nothing wrong with making an offer.

Wayne

[Paul_Gadd]

Interesting stuff about Merlancia and the inner workings of a sham..

[Kees]

@ Wayne

Your right ... I stand corrected

Kees

[downix]

@Wayne

That is funny, I was thinking the exact same thing.  I'll split the cost of the ticket with you.

[redrumloa]

@downix

No one made me that offer, I had to learn on my own  :-o

The closest I got was Kronos' heckling:-P

[KennyR]

@uncharted

Each to his own, but if I came forward and started posting that OS4 was unstable and couldn't even play a CD, you'd get annoyed too, right?

[Targhan]

@Kees

Don't be silly, the questions given lead Haynie into the MOS/OS4 topic.  It is natural that people would want to discuss it.  Just be thankful that there isn't any roasts ;-)  Speaking of roast, it's dinnertime!

[Kees]

@ Targhan

Yes .. but that doesn't mean that a thread should end in a flamefest ... wich it hasn't this far ... but you know how things go.

Kees