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Offline seer

Re: Microsoft now wants to take charge for security updates/patches...
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2003, 07:42:03 PM »
Some analysts have said that Longhorn may not arrive on the market until 2006.

AFAIK, M$ released a RC1 (Release Canditate 1) recently, if so, it pretty close for a release soon..
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Offline Tomas

Re: Microsoft now wants to take charge for security updates/patches...
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2003, 08:52:29 PM »
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Some analysts have said that Longhorn may not arrive on the market until 2006.

I really hope that is true... Its stupid to pay big amounts of money to "upgrade" to a unfinished and buggy OS.
 

Offline mikeymike

Re: Microsoft now wants to take charge for security updates/patches...
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2003, 10:13:56 PM »
Waccoon, you really need to brush up on your browser/OEM history :-)

re: where's the competition - my thoughts are much the same.  I hope to God that AOS4 is a good one.

re: no new MS OS until 2006 - yeah, right.  MS can't wait that long after the .net flop.

Offline Ilwrath

Re: Microsoft now wants to take charge for security updates/patches...
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2003, 11:52:19 PM »
@Waccoon-
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I believe that applies to accessory updates, like new versions of IE, Windows Media Player, and so on. You know, new versions that have more bugs and security problems than older versions. I *seriously* doubt this applies to any kind of critical update.


The problem is that Microsoft rolls the SECURITY updates INTO feature-updates.  For example, many times the only security update available for a product is go to the next feature release.  If the next feature release is charged for... Well, it's essentially then the question of...  do you pay up, or do you go lax on the security?  Gee...  Thanks.
 

Offline Doobrey

Re: Microsoft now wants to take charge for security updates/patches...
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2003, 12:23:52 AM »
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Ilwrath wrote:
For example, many times the only security update available for a product is go to the next feature release.


Yeah, I`ve been caught by that one recently..the trouble is, I don`t agree with the later EULAs that MS put on their stuff.. and they`re expecting people to pay for it ??
 Whatever happened to the law that says products have to be fit for the purpose they`re made for..oh I forgot, the EULA signs away that bit...

 I can`t wait to ditch Windows, I`ve had enough. I`ve been  using it since the 3.1 days ( you know, when PC`s could quite happily run on 4mb of RAM, and a top of the range gfx card had 512kb on it !!) and all I see is MS making a big balls-up of things, and thinly veiled PR crud trying to hide their greed.

 The trouble is, what system do I switch over to for my main workhorse??
 Linux? it`s a nice stable OS, but it`s a pain in the neck to keep upto date, or get drivers for new HW.
 Mac? expensive HW, and the OS is too idiot proof...(even for an idiot like me.)
 OS4 or MorphOS, the lack of memory protection is my main concern,
OS4 has HW available, but the actual OS isn`t out..
MorphOS is out, but there`s no HW for sale...

Maybe I should give up and just use  pen and paper  ;-)
On schedule, and suing
 

Offline DarkHawke

Re: Microsoft now wants to take charge for security updates/patches...
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2003, 04:17:54 AM »
@ Waccon:

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I believe that applies to accessory updates, like new versions of IE, Windows Media Player, and so on. You know, new versions that have more bugs and security problems than older versions. I *seriously* doubt this applies to any kind of critical update.

We need to clear up the language here.  I would consider an "update" to be the kind of typical bug/security fix that you get with any app, e.g. going from Netscape 7.01 to 7.02.  An "upgrade" would be something where actual functions and features are added, e.g. Netscape 7.02 to 7.1.  Now if you're gonna charge for an upgrade, okay, but for an update?  HELL no.  The actual story said "update," so Billy Boy needs to clarify what he means by "update."  In some cases, it would be ludicrous to charge for updates since the original program, like IE or Windows Media, are free-for-nothin' to begin with.

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I haven't seen a BSOD or a lock-up in almost a year on my machine, except when I swapped my motherboard.

Interesting, 'cause just installing the last set of Win XP updates on my machine provided regular and successive BSOD visits till I uninstalled the update.

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No company deserves $6.9 billion for revenue, never mind R&D.

"Deserves?"  They were just given this cash?  Or was it ruthlessly taken from other companies against their will?
 :-D   They HAVE that much money for R&D because they EARNED that much money and allocated it for that task.  So long as they're not breaking any laws to do it (which arguably they did in the past), it's not a matter of what they deserve!

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BeOS is gone, MacOS needs custom hardware, so does OS4, OS5 is anyone's guess, and Linux (or rather, GNU and XFree86), blows chunks if you want a halfway decent GUI and a good, standardized design. Anything else is just a clone of UNIX, and embedded OS, or a hobby project.

Which is the damnable thing of it all, not to mention that all of the above have comparitively limited software and perepheral hardware options.  Hard to boycott Microsoft as you suggest and not pay a heavy penalty.

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Where's the competition?

That's the only reason I still follow what's going on the the Amiga world, BTW. I don't see any hope at all elsewhere.

I don't know that there's much hope there either!  Yes, obviously, I still look in and see what's happening myself, but it looks like we'll only just see OS 4 come out, but only 'cause it's in the hands of other folks than AInc.  If we see OS 5 from AInc, I'll chow down on my big ol' Aussie cowboy hat!  We really needed to see that kind of multi-platform, CPU independent, seamless networking OS two years ago.  It could still work, but AInc ain't gonna be the ones to do it.  One point though: I would not count Sony out of this for a second.  The next update of the PS2 hardware will practically turn it into a multi-media center by itself, and this is before the Cell technology they're developing for the PS3 with IBM and Toshiba.  They also introduced a Linux kit for the PS2, showing at least a cant towards support of non-Windows OSes.  When one least expects it, especially in an ostensibly competition-free market, someone will trot out a brand new idea and BOOM!  The market changes overnight.
\\"For of all sad words of tongue or pen,
The saddest are these: \\\'It might have been!\\\'\\"
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Amiga.  Wish the world could have known.
 

Offline Ilwrath

Re: Microsoft now wants to take charge for security updates/patches...
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2003, 06:44:08 AM »
Doobrey-
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I can`t wait to ditch Windows, I`ve had enough.
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The trouble is, what system do I switch over to for my main workhorse??
Linux? it`s a nice stable OS, but it`s a pain in the neck to keep upto date, or get drivers for new HW.


Honestly, the newer flavors of Linux aren't as bad.  Drivers are much less a problem than they used to be.  Granted, there's lots of hardware that still isn't properly supported, but most key things are pretty good.  Printers, mice, scanners* (if you choose one specifically listed as supported by the SANE system), video cards (ATi/nVidia), USB Storage devices, standard sound-cards, network cards, etc. are all pretty solid and easy.  My strange arsenal of joysticks still causes many problems, of course.

As for updates...  Heck, I run RedHat 9, and it's easier to update than any system I've used.  The RedHat Network is kind of a neat idea, and you get a free single-machine home-use license.  It works kind of like a Windows update, in that it goes out and queries a server on what can be updated... But it doesn't run off and do things on it's own.  You get to tell it to update or ignore certain packages, etc.  Plus it gives some quick notes, and things.  

Or, if that is too close to Windows update for your comfort, you can install APT and the Synaptic GUI for the coolest software updater/installer I've ever seen.  It puts the Windows world to shame.  A single GUI to logically manage network installs and updates.  Plus, it can also figure out which packages you have already installed that have updates are available for.  (even if the packages themselves were originally installed outside APT)
 

Offline Wolfe

Re: Microsoft now wants to take charge for security updates/patches...
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2003, 06:48:55 AM »
I can see the pockets of Windblows users already starting to smoke in anticipation of being scammed, conned and ripped off. :pissed:     As Micro$ begins to inhale green your wallets will start shrinking.  :boohoo:

And why are some looking forward to a new version of Windblows.   :huh:    Just more bugs to fix and more drain on the wallet.   :-D   There's a lesson to be learned here!  :oops:

I've heard some say that Micro$ was the best thing to happen to computers -   :griping:  - But without competition the market suffers.   :whack:    

I don't use anything Micro$ and I don't feel I am doing without at all, but thats just me.  :-D

To bad some feel there is no other choice but Windblows because no other system will ever make a real entrance onto the scene until those fed up with Windblows put there money elsewhere so Micro$ looses its grip on there wallets and the market.   :griping:

Well, gotta go howl at the moon -  :-D  :-D  :-D
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Offline QuikSanz

Re: Microsoft now wants to take charge for security updates/patches...
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2003, 07:34:40 AM »
Sounds like reason number 3562 why not to buy M$.

Chris