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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2007, 11:19:15 PM »
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Well I'm going to be a bit more critical here...

I would not use ANY of those patches you have listed there AmigaMance.

If you spend your day dragging Workbench windows about and fragmenting your hard disk I suppose they're great but give me the 'Official is Best' philosophy any day.

Some programs like 'Frogger' demand FBlit but then that movie player is the slowest load of crap there is anyway - better get RiVA(+GUI). Things that patch to this level invariably make your system hideously unpredictable and for very little benefit.

I burn CDs and do a lot of printing, multimedia, emulation, surfing and gaming - I need programs to get along with each other. When I do something to my hard disk I would much rather use DiskSalv (as programmed by a Commodore engineer) than use some 3rd party file system and it's wobbly utilities.

I'd say getting a decent hardware accelerator or graphics card is better than trying to dress mutton as lamb (and making the system untrustworthy at the same time).

If you don't have a GFX card then your best speedup will be by giving the ChipRAM a break. Add more FastMem, keep screen colours 6-bit or below, screenmodes to 15Khz NTSC or therabouts and scale down your icons using Iconian (stripping away any NewIcons bumf in the tooltypes).

Unless you're running a huge database or streaming video then I'm not sure dumping Fast File System is worth the hassle and risk either - particularly if you have a SCSI card with a fast hard disk or Flash drive.


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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2007, 11:24:00 PM »
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I'm not sure I followed all that..?  In english: Is SmartWB a good thing or a bad thing?


If you have plenty of video ram on your graphics card, good.

The basic argument against Smart Refresh is that it ought not to be needed on modern cards where the GPU can do all the drawing at such speed that you'd never see it happen. Ideally, that should be the case.

Unfortunately, there are weaknesses both in RTG itself and in driver quality before you get to the GPU that can render this argument null and void.

Smart Refresh really only relies on one GPU operation, "blitting" (which is supported by all major cards/drivers) and enough spare video card memory to hold all the obscured bits of your windows whilst they aren't visible. Saving and redrawing the windows then comes down to performing blits and not a lot else.

It's therefore usually the faster setting - with the downside that you lose more video memory in normal operation (this can affect some 3D games on cards that have limited memory).
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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2007, 11:24:48 PM »
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If you are using a 68000 or a 68020 with no fast-ram, please die. For people who think that "Official = better" or can't edit a startup-sequence, please use windoze or something. It suits you better.


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FYI, this is the point at which I stopped reading.


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You're right also. I think AmigaMance is a little snobbish here...
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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2007, 11:34:45 PM »
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Well, i don't have much to say about this. Just don't use FFS and you will be fine. Nobody should use it.


I've used FFS for years and years on several systems,
and never had any problems with it...
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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2007, 11:38:16 PM »
FFS has never given me a single problem in over a decade. Oddly, the only partition I ever had go bad on any amiga was SFS :lol:

Then again, I'm the guy that owns systems fatally allergic to mmu.library too ;-)
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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2007, 12:09:25 AM »
@AmigaMance and anyone else who's in doubt:

Like stated before: If you wanna make OS3.x faster and
more efficient, use a more powerfull accelerator card and/or GFX-card and/or more Fast RAM. That should do
the trick really efficient.

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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2007, 12:28:38 AM »
Not all patches are bad, some work quite well and are very system friendly.  AmigaMance's point was to highlight the good ones.  He also warned people away from the bad ones, primarily by omission.  This isn't a simplistic clash of ideologies here("official" vs. "hack").   By all means, upgrade your hardware as much as possible and use the best (not necessarily the "latest") drivers.  But also take advantage of some really great ingenius little programs (or "hacks", if you prefer) that people have written specifically to overcome many of the shortcomings in the products that have the blessings of officialdom.    
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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2007, 12:32:34 AM »
Maybe so, but Amigamance's attitude stinks. How on earth can he tell other Amiga users to die because they don't have the Amiga he is talking about. No beer for you Amigamance  :madashell:
 Edit: Apparently, this remark offended AmigaMance which is odd as I have an A1200t 68030 with OS3.5 using some of these patches and was simply pointing out that he was well out of order telling users of older versions to die. Was I out of order ? I don't think so  :-P
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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2007, 12:43:08 AM »
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 You know... One anti post would be more than enough for me to get your point... But you made a whole row of 4 posts. I don't know, you seem to be quite obsessed with me or something.
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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2007, 12:43:56 AM »
Executive is also good. Tuning it for your needs may take while, but I think it is worth it.

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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2007, 12:56:33 AM »
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I don't know, you seem to be quite obsessed with me or something.


I'm really not obsessed with you dude...Unless you have big boobs and a nice ass...  :lol:
But maybe you're obsessed with patches. Don't get
me wrong, I'm using some patches too (FragCure,
IconBeFast a.o.). Just please don't degrade other
Amiga users because they have other Amiga configurations.


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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2007, 12:58:40 AM »
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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2007, 01:28:10 AM »
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Like stated before: If you wanna make OS3.x faster and more efficient, use a more powerfull accelerator card and/or GFX-card and/or more Fast RAM. That should do
the trick really efficient.


I've never heard anyone say their Amiga was too fast.  

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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2007, 01:36:18 AM »
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I've never heard anyone say their Amiga was too fast.


This makes no sense at all. I didn't claim that.
But adding a accelerator, GFX card or FastRam
should speed up things more than some crappy patches.

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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2007, 02:44:18 AM »
If you want to see OS3.x fly, you could always install it on WinUAE on a really fast x86...

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Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
« Reply #44 from previous page: February 03, 2007, 02:50:05 AM »
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But adding a accelerator, GFX card or FastRam
should speed up things more than some crappy patches.

 NO BLEEP! I bet nobody knew that! I think i will add it to my sig.
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