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Title: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: David Wright on March 15, 2017, 11:53:16 PM
Majsta has on his site that they are hiring production company to produce cards.
These guys, Kipper, Majsta and others really have put a lot on themselves to make this happen.
http://Www.majsta.com
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: BozzerBigD on March 16, 2017, 12:05:35 AM
Amazing news! Classic Amigas just got a massive shot in the arm! Exciting days and fair play to Majsta for reconsidering scaling up operations.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: mindprober on March 16, 2017, 12:25:00 AM
Great! Now if only there was more news on the Vampire A1200.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: David Wright on March 16, 2017, 12:57:00 AM
It would seem this would move that along faster too.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: mindprober on March 16, 2017, 01:26:19 AM
I would think so too. I'm just anxious for some news. :)

Quote from: David Wright;823429
It would seem this would move that along faster too.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: ExtremeWays on March 16, 2017, 01:28:05 AM
Hopefully Majsta is doing okay.  The tone of the post was a little concerning.

There are so few with the capability to keep the community running, and they shoulder the responsibiltiy.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: BozzerBigD on March 16, 2017, 02:02:37 AM
@jdryyz

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Great! Now if only there was more news on the Vampire A1200.

That project is limited by 150-pin trapdoor connectors not mass production concerns. Trust C= to produce a custom bodge of a connector to screw us over from beyond the grave!
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: mindprober on March 16, 2017, 02:11:07 AM
The connector supply problem was solved a while ago, or so I read.

It was production of the A600, A500 Vampire 2s that was the first priority. Now if their production will be increased, we're closer to the A1200 version. :D


Quote from: BozzerBigD;823432
@jdryyz

That project is limited by 150-pin trapdoor connectors not mass production concerns. Trust C= to produce a custom bodge of a connector to screw us over from beyond the grave!
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: TheMagicM on March 16, 2017, 12:27:58 PM
Is there a projected price with this new announcement?
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: David Wright on March 16, 2017, 02:11:10 PM
Still $300 for 500 version.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: Iggy on March 16, 2017, 03:11:39 PM
Quote from: David Wright;823445
Still $300 for 500 version.


Great! Now how do I order one?
His website won't even allow registration without invitation.

Which reinforces my opinion that this is being run like a kid's clubhouse.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: kolla on March 16, 2017, 03:17:30 PM
Quote from: Iggy;823446

Which reinforces my opinion that this is being run like a kid's clubhouse.


Is that a bad thing? Keeps the naughty ones away :)
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: wawrzon on March 16, 2017, 04:34:27 PM
Quote from: Iggy;823446
Which reinforces my opinion that this is being run like a kid's clubhouse.


the guy is doing things, with an amazing motivation and endurance. he and gunnar have probably delivered more that anyone else within last years, and there is more to come. all you have ever done was talking big. considering this, your opinion doesnt count a dime.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: David Wright on March 16, 2017, 05:03:33 PM
Quote from: Iggy;823446
Great! Now how do I order one?
His website won't even allow registration without invitation.

Which reinforces my opinion that this is being run like a kid's clubhouse.
\
Only at the Apollo page.Express interest and they will contact you when available.

Somehow I had shown interest in both models. Last week Kipper contacted me to that they were shipping V600s.

Here is partially what was emailed me:
I Have pretty well  all of batch 2 and 3 ready for mailing and i want to try to get them  mailed ASAP. Pricing of the V600 is $269 USD (250 euro) please make  payment in USD.

if  you wish to cancel your order you can now withdraw interest by checking  the order page and entering your email address, and let me know also

To continue the ordering process ;........

Unfortunately I want the 500 version but appears that will come soon.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: Iggy on March 16, 2017, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;823449
the guy is doing things, with an amazing motivation and endurance. he and gunnar have probably delivered more that anyone else within last years, and there is more to come. all you have ever done was talking big. considering this, your opinion doesnt count a dime.


Right...I was in business when many of you were children.
If you want to continue to act like children, that is your decision.

But the business model is asinine.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: TheMagicM on March 16, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: David Wright;823445
Still $300 for 500 version.



Excellent. I'd take one for that price.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: wawrzon on March 16, 2017, 06:42:37 PM
Quote from: Iggy;823451
Right...I was in business when many of you were children.


sorry, i have never knowingly came across anything you have done, but im constantly getting to read your posts, where you refer to yourself in a rather grandeur manner, as if it was everybodys matter of interest, what you are going to do and what you are going to buy or not, while you dont miss an opportunity to badmouth vampire people.

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If you want to continue to act like children, that is your decision.

But the business model is asinine.


if i have a choice to act like you or act like a child, ill take the latter. everybody who might be interested knows your opinion by now, no need to repeat yourself.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
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Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: Acill on March 16, 2017, 08:03:58 PM
Interesting news. I hope things work out well for them this time and things move along. The website being down from what I expect an increase in traffic isn't a good start.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: kolla on March 16, 2017, 10:22:12 PM
Quote from: Iggy;823451

But the business model is asinine.


And you're from Delaware, the irony is thick :)
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: NovaCoder on March 16, 2017, 11:05:09 PM
The trouble is that the 'special' kind of people who create innovative hardware/software are not the best kind of people to market and produce it (we've seen this so often in the retro scene).

The Amiga A1200 replacement case shows how it can be done right:

1) launch a successful campaign to raise the capital
2) Get your product mass produced on the cheap
3) Keep your backers updated about the delays that always occur in AmigaLand
4) Pay for an actual shipping company to ship the bloody thing ;)

It's not too late for the Vampire to have a great Kickstarter campaign with the A1200 model...stretch targets could be a model for CD32 and A3000  :)
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on March 16, 2017, 11:25:31 PM
Quote from: NovaCoder;823467
The trouble is that the 'special' kind of people who create innovative hardware/software are not the best kind of people to market and produce it (we've seen this so often in the retro scene).

+1

Quote from: NovaCoder;823467
The Amiga A1200 replacement case shows how it can be done right:

The A1200 replacement case project...  LOL, two years to ship, at least the cases arrived in good shape (although the mug packed in with them the handle was broken off)... but people's lives and expectations change in that period of time.  I love the idea of Kickstarter, especially for backing something your heart's really into, but I don't think I'd back something like that on there again.  From now on out I think I'll wait for products to be in-stock and available from a trusted retailer, instead.  Just IMHO.  ;)
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: wawrzon on March 16, 2017, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: NovaCoder;823467
The trouble is that the 'special' kind of people who create innovative hardware/software are not the best kind of people to market and produce it (we've seen this so often in the retro scene).

The Amiga A1200 replacement case shows how it can be done right:

1) launch a successful campaign to raise the capital
2) Get your product mass produced on the cheap
3) Keep your backers updated about the delays that always occur in AmigaLand
4) Pay for an actual shipping company to ship the bloody thing ;)

It's not too late for the Vampire to have a great Kickstarter campaign with the A1200 model...stretch targets could be a model for CD32 and A3000  :)


äh, the a1200 replacement case is ages behind a schedule  and has been becoming enough flack themselves. same for fpgaarcade. natami has not been delivered to the public atall! not that i say the flack is justified.

apollo people, same as everybody else, are free to choose how they want to proceed with their project. they could bean it, as long they didnt take any money from you up front, and they would have been well within their own rights.

they dont owe community nothing. same as you are not oblidged to deliver game ports to the community (for free) and may quit any time. i really dont understand these constant blames and demands towards people, who like you, actually do or did something.

edit: btw i can well understand why they dont want to make kickstart out of it. let alone they need to do that. they want to keep their project flexible and dynamic, rather than fulfilling obligations. they want to motivate others to join and contribute, create a current, rather than to make the public passively waiting for a product. they want people to come up with ideas. and this unfolds. read igors post on his page.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: NovaCoder on March 16, 2017, 11:58:10 PM
I know the Amiga case was way behind schedule, I was one of the people waiting LoL

But even with the delays, the A1200 case is still the best example in recent times of how to produce and ship new Amiga 'hardware' to lots of buyers.  I can think of loads of other Amiga hardware releases that have been a total disaster in comparison, most of them just quietly disappeared (ScanJuggler anyone?)
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: wawrzon on March 17, 2017, 01:17:17 AM
@nova

so you didnt sell all your amiga stuff;)

anyway, in this case vampire is second best, without kickstarter. there must be already few hundred people served, which is not bad in comparison to other products. im not one of them nor intend to be, except mybe if i sell my csppc to get vampire 1200, but im still rather convinced and supportive.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: fishy_fiz on March 17, 2017, 01:29:47 AM
Quote from: Iggy;823451
Right...I was in business when many of you were children.
If you want to continue to act like children, that is your decision.


Do you realize how pretentious this sounds? Also, do you realize this means diddly squat? What a person has done in the past is of little consequence. Its current actions that count. The past is just that... the past. Even experiences of the past can be counter productive. Its a different world today.

Perhaps their choices aren't optimal, but given the fact its the most successful bit of Amiga related kit in over 15 years I'd suggest they're doing OK.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: Honkybear on March 17, 2017, 01:49:18 AM
What's incredible is the current prices on the A600 Vampire 2 is selling for roughly $500 on ebay. There is definately lots of demand. I think I'll wait a little.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: NovaCoder on March 17, 2017, 02:44:01 AM
Quote from: wawrzon;823473
@nova

so you didnt sell all your amiga stuff;)



Well I have an empty case at least ;)
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: Niding on March 17, 2017, 02:56:58 AM
Quote from: NovaCoder;823489
Well I have an empty case at least ;)


Well, if you accidentially end up with a Vampire in that empty box, have you seen the OpenGL thread on Apollo forum?
Just randomly throwing it up here, since you seemed quite 3D inclined a while back;

http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=4142
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: NovaCoder on March 17, 2017, 03:02:00 AM
Quote from: Niding;823492
Well, if you accidentially end up with a Vampire in that empty box, have you seen the OpenGL thread on Apollo forum?
Just randomly throwing it up here, since you seemed quite 3D inclined a while back;

http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=4142


Yes I did notice that thread :)

Adding OpenGL support to some of my old ports (and my old SDL library) would be pretty cool :)
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: klx300r on March 17, 2017, 03:41:24 AM
Quote from: NovaCoder;823493
Yes I did notice that thread :)

Adding OpenGL support to some of my old ports (and my old SDL library) would be pretty cool :)

hey Nova, speaking of your ports, can you please send me the link to your Indivision AGA MK2 config...I 've been having a hell of a time with that darn config program and remember you had a nice and stable config a little while back without stressing out AGA limits;)
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: NovaCoder on March 17, 2017, 04:06:59 AM
Quote from: klx300r;823495
hey Nova, speaking of your ports, can you please send me the link to your Indivision AGA MK2 config...I 've been having a hell of a time with that darn config program and remember you had a nice and stable config a little while back without stressing out AGA limits;)


Sorry my friend, I've lost that file :(

Best thing to do is ask over on EAB, we created a few nice 50hz config files (which are attached to the posts).
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: klx300r on March 17, 2017, 05:55:21 AM
@ NovaCoder

thanks found one on that thread that works much better:)
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: David Wright on March 17, 2017, 05:30:09 PM
Well looky here.
http://www.majsta.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=134
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: wawrzon on March 17, 2017, 05:34:22 PM
now the early hand soldered cards will become seeked after valuable collectibles.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: David Wright on March 17, 2017, 06:17:27 PM
I thought about that, having a personal part of Amiga history.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: mindprober on March 17, 2017, 06:32:14 PM
Nice!

Quote from: David Wright;823523
Well looky here.
http://www.majsta.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=134
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: TheMagicM on March 17, 2017, 06:58:29 PM
Quote from: David Wright;823523
Well looky here.
http://www.majsta.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=134


I was going to buy another gun, but instead...I'll get one of these.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: HammerD on March 17, 2017, 08:08:46 PM
Quote from: David Wright;823523
Well looky here.
http://www.majsta.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=134

Nice! I'm not sure how many boards are in that first production batch (anyone know?) but I gather they have 2000+ people waiting for boards...but if it only takes two days to complete (maybe a hundred?) then that bodes well for speeding things up!

I'd rather have a production-made board vs hand-made.

I'm on the waiting list for an A500 version.
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: wawrzon on March 17, 2017, 09:10:30 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;823529
I was going to buy another gun, but instead...I'll get one of these.


thats the spirit! the bosnian contribution to world peace! in that case i admit, amiga makes that possible!
Title: Re: Vampire going into high end production
Post by: wawrzon on March 17, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Quote from: HammerD;823533
two days to complete


wouldnt assume a batch rolling off every day.