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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => CommodoreUSA Amiga => Topic started by: Master Chief on January 18, 2012, 05:06:24 PM
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Hi, my name is master chief. This is my first post and I would like to tell my side of the C=USA story.So my story begins in the summer of 2010. I grew fond of the C=/Amiga because I find great joy in playing with old software/hardware. I was searching to see if there was any new amiga hardware/software, when I stumbled upon Hyperion ,A-eon ,Acube ,and C=USA.
I read for hours about the companies and I found C=USA to be very interesting, considering they were going to use Aros to make a new amiga workbench. I was also very pleased to hear that somebody was going to try to bring amiga back into the mainstream market; but I slowly grew to dislike them over time. A little later I read that they had actually switched the os they were going to build upon to linux; but I actually found they did nothing to linux but add amiga forever 2012, C= forever 2012, and add a skin to linux which looks like s**t to me. Looking back, I was stupid for liking C=USA and their products. I mean, I liked them so much that I was even going to buy one of there c64x computers. Looking back at that, all they done to the best selling computer in the world was turn it into a pc with a pretty box and add an x onto the legendary c64 name.I would like to talk about there ceo barry altman while I am at it. I went to there forum to post my opinion of C=USA because they encourage people to post there opinions on there forum; but I soon realized that they only wanted the good opinions not the bad ones. I realize that companies would rather have good opinions of there products, they do not have to be so rude to there possible customers and while I realize this is a C=USA post I would also like to say if someone affiliated with hyperion reads this i support hyperion and it's affiliates to the fullest and I wish hyperion good luck.
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First off, Welcome to A.ORG! It's always good to have a new member of the community on board. ;)
Can you tell us more about yourself? When you first started using the Amiga, how you were introduced, what you mainly use it for... You know, so people can can get to know you better. :)
Now, your first post, chosen name and AVATAR!
We have had many many arguments and disputes over C=USA on our forums about their past but they seem to be trying to turn over a new leaf. We are trying to instigate a, "Let bygones be bygones" policy to give them the space they need to prove themselves.
Short story long, lets move on from that past and look towards the future and talk about the things that do excite you about the Amiga community.;)
Avatar and nick-name. Seriously, really?!?!?!?:roflmao: I'm a big fan of those games but I don't have the balls to use that for my moniker on ANY Amiga site...:razz:
Good luck with THAT!!! ;)
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Yeah we are big fans of CUSA. They are funny when they come on here and try and spam us :)
I'm with J golden, tell me about your avatar. It looks like something out of Alien Breed.
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You're not the only one around here that's disappointed with what CUSA has done with the brand.
Personally, I'm happy sticking with classic hardware and clones, but if someone really wants to take the brand back into the mainstream, tossing an x86 linux box into a fancy case is not the way to do it.
As for the name and AV, I see no reason why an Amiga user should dislike Bungie or Halo.
Besides, we need a hero!
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You're not the only one around here that's disappointed with what CUSA has done with the brand.
Personally, I'm happy sticking with classic hardware and clones, but if someone really wants to take the brand back into the mainstream, tossing an x86 linux box into a fancy case is not the way to do it.
As for the name and AV, I see no reason why an Amiga user should dislike Bungie or Halo.
Besides, we need a hero!
Thanks, I'm glad someone agrees.
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Quite a few someones, actually.
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but I soon realized that they only wanted the good opinions not the bad ones. I realize that companies would rather have good opinions of there products, they do not have to be so rude to there possible customers and while I realize this is a C=USA post I would also like to say if someone affiliated with hyperion reads this i support hyperion and it's affiliates to the fullest and I wish hyperion good luck.
From hope to disappointment once again.
So known ride.
Hyperion can also be blamed for a lot of things, but is becoming better and more professional. Delivering some form of mid-class desktop, high end "workstation" and support of Classic is great. OS 4.2 and beyond are to bring modern features. With introduction of low end but mobile (net top) we can call it a success in despite of Amiga Inc, Terron boards, shrinking market and legal mambo jumbo.
Hope C=USA will do the same one day. Leo gives some hope, but its still Baron in charge. Until then, conquer the universe with Commodore and Amiga brands and yet we are not interest. Bring something of interest once you can and it will be enough, if you find it commercially viable. If we are not potential customer base / commercially viable market is best of "to let go to take off"
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For me one machine runing linux with a intel inside not is one amiga.
BR
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C=USA are just computer bogans, you can't fix 'em.
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@Master Chief
IF the following is implemented, then your experience certainly won't be unique.
Apparently the site is going through a transformation to a company product site only.
Please keep your forum posts to our products, questions, help etc. (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/2-welcome-mat/15287-any-babylon-5-fans-in-the-house?lang=en#15303)
I find this a bit unusual, as Bill always used PR to convince people of a connection to the old Commodore and Amiga and what they were used for in the professional world.
Here, we have a case of people posting about such professional use (Babylon5) and a rather disavowing response that this is in any way connected to CUSA products. It's done by indicating that this kind of talk won't be acceptable in the future. *shrug*
To be fair then, everyone who has not been happy with how they are using the "names", should be positively thrilled that talk of any connection to the past Commodore and Amiga is now frowned upon, at least from the example given.
Above link dead. Post deleted.
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This is Barry we are talking about. Only he could set a "independent fancentric" site up then change the rules as he starts getting negative feedback. There has been a lot of backlash at the heavy handed way he has handled some of the questions and queries within the last few months. I suppose this is just his way of trying to bring what he perceives to be order to the site.
His house his rules as he often says. If it keeps the majority of CUSA stuff over there, which in the last few weeks we have seen little to no activity except in the already established threads, then rock on I say.
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Only he could set a "independent fancentric" site up then change the rules as he starts getting negative feedback.
Seriously, as much as CUSA deserves any bashing they get, let's not try to rewrite history. There's been a lot of censoring, changing rules and other shady stuff on a.org, aw.net, Morphzone or amigans.net in the last decade. For every stupid thing Barry and his minions are doing, I can list five things Mike Bouma did.
The only difference between them and us is that we (well, some of us) woke up earlier. That's not much of an achievement, IMHO.
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This is Barry we are talking about. Only he could set a "independent fancentric" site up then change the rules as he starts getting negative feedback. There has been a lot of backlash at the heavy handed way he has handled some of the questions and queries within the last few months. I suppose this is just his way of trying to bring what he perceives to be order to the site.
His house his rules as he often says. If it keeps the majority of CUSA stuff over there, which in the last few weeks we have seen little to no activity except in the already established threads, then rock on I say.
Actually that's part of my point. Once the site becomes limited to just specific topics, then those who wish to abide by the new rules -would not- stay over there.
To me anyway, the notion of a community site like AW/A.org is that the technical discussions take place, but you also keep the interested parties on your site by -having- those other forums available as well.
Hyperion has previously done something similar with their own customer forums, but they already have the established alternative sites of Amigaworld, AmigaOrg, and Amigans for other discussion beyond the scope of a customer site.
So, I ask you...does this serve to keep people on their community site or drive them elsewhere to post outside of the new defined scope?
#6
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Actually that's part of my point. Once the site becomes limited to just specific topics, then those who wish to abide by the new rules -would not- stay over there.
To me anyway, the notion of a community site like AW/A.org is that the technical discussions take place, but you also keep the interested parties on your site by -having- those other forums available as well.
Hyperion has previously done something similar with their own customer forums, but they already have the established alternative sites of Amigaworld, AmigaOrg, and Amigans for other discussion beyond the scope of a customer site.
So, I ask you...does this serve to keep people on their community site or drive them elsewhere to post outside of the new defined scope?
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I agree with you. I have had not much sleep in the last 48hr so my mind is a little squiffy lol. But what I was aiming at was keeping the CUSA hardware and SW stuff confined to their site and if people want to discuss classics/ng then that brings them over to a.org and aw.net I gues thats what I was trying to say. Sorry No 6
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This is Barry we are talking about. Only he could set a "independent fancentric" site up then change the rules as he starts getting negative feedback. There has been a lot of backlash at the heavy handed way he has handled some of the questions and queries within the last few months. I suppose this is just his way of trying to bring what he perceives to be order to the site.
One thing to keep in mind is that @terminills started the community site and it did have a wider scope given Tim's interests as a promoter and supporter of many things.
I see the same change as you do, and agree it is obviously his right to do so and perhaps long term will benefit his plans.
But still...how hard is it to have a company section and "everything else". Anything less smacks of a controlled environment for the fans.
#6
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One thing to keep in mind is that @terminills started the community site and it did have a wider scope given Tim's interests as a promoter and supporter of many things.
I see the same change as you do, and agree it is obviously his right to do so and perhaps long term will benefit his plans.
But still...how hard is it to have a company section and "everything else". Anything less smacks of a controlled environment for the fans.
#6
I ran a forum myself and I know that it's not hard to moderate sections, so long as you have the moderators to do it, so that certain things remain in certain sections and so forth. However from what I have seen there is only a handful of mods and then I have not seen any of them really enforcing anything other than Leo and Barry. Which means it's pretty much a single sided show.
like you I saw that it was certainly a site that had primary focus on CUSA but also allowed for discussion for classic and so forth at the start. But the current environment is one of a engineered community. Where anything that doesn't correspond with the plan that Barry has is either instantly locked or deleted outright without warning or explanation.
At the end of the day it's now Barry's place. I think the initial perspective of the site that terminills had is now long gone. It's a marketing vehicle for CUSA and engineered in a way that anyone who is prone to impulse buying without too much research will see only good things about them without seeing the flip side.
Nothing wrong with it but I just don't agree with it. Again sorry if some of this seems rushed or a little lacking in explanation but no sleep makes me very dull lol.
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Shock and surprise, who could possibly have seen this coming.
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Shock and surprise, who could possibly have seen this coming.
hehe.. How on earth could anyone be taken in by C= USA from day one. I don't think these guys know what a real Amiga or C64 is.
Mech
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Commodore-Amiga.org is pretty much dead anyway, I think they are beginning to realise that getting into a market that is stagnant, using a company name noted for cheap products and pricing those products way above the competition may not have been the wisest thing to do.....
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8PjDpdBV4mk/TGn5PorIXkI/AAAAAAAAHvg/_OcYbOzcwDI/s200/masterchef-logo.jpg)
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If they are dead then why are they getting more traffic than we are?
"We have 389 guests and 2 members online"
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Most of those guests will be bots :-(
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It never shows less than 300 some guests, maybe it's a running total or something. Maybe they're all waiting for a page to load, it's so slow.
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From what I can gather the online details are not accurate. If someone logs in it registers them on the list. If someone looks at a thread it registers them as looking at it on the top of the thread page. However both are offset by atleast half an hour. So oif someone navigates away from the page it will still show them as viewing the thread. Much like is someone navigates away from the site it will still show them as been active. The only sure fire way to drop from the list is to log out.
I know this as I have registered there in the past but then got banned almost the same day. Their active list for guests is probably way, way, way off. Because it does the same for guests.
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Crit. You are making it sound accidental. I'm not saying they are deliberately falsifying their numbers but you have to admit it wouldn't be too hard and obviously it gives a better impression of the company having that many users. But have you noticed how the numbers are always generally the same compared to Amiga.org which are fairly varied?
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I am not saying either which way. Just pointing out that the user and guest list, along with the who's lookin at a thread thing, are way too offset to get an acurate reading of how many people are visiting the site. I would imagine it was an oversight initially, they are using joomla which is great as a CMS but makes a crap forum device, of the forum plugin. But as you say it gives a good impression of the overall traffic to the site.
What ever the inital intent of the site you can see from rcent activity that it nows been engineered towards a advertising vehicle. After all he owns the domain name and the server.
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Whatever happened to MasterChef? He started this thread and disappeared...
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Whatever happened to MasterChef? He started this thread and disappeared...
Shill!!!!!!
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I looked up "commodore USA" and was confused as to why the words commodore and amiga were even being used?
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I looked up "commodore USA" and was confused as to why the words commodore and amiga were even being used?
They licensed both "Commodore" and "Amiga" from their respective owners after seeing a value in using those brand names.
Long story...wait for the movie. Heh.
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@CritAnime
As we discussed elsewhere...mkay. So now they move one of the Vics from the Commodore side of their lineup and it becomes an Amiga.
Just for those updating their scorecards...
The VIC Mini is now the Amiga MIO.
source (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/15473-amiga-mio?lang=en#15477)
Oh...and that means the Amiga Mini is no longer the entry model. Feel free to correct the other thread. Heh.
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I did one make a list of their products, both existing and "future" models, but for the life in me I can't find it. So I will try and list it all again.
Pheonix - This was one if the initial models announced when CUSA first started. This later became the first Vic Pro.
Iviticus - This again was an early model that was intended for release. This was canceled (http://gizmodo.com/5554750/commodore-invictus-keyboard+computer-specs-bests-the-asus-eee-keyboard)
Amigo - This was yet another announced (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=552048&postcount=1) system but was never shown or released.
C64x - Released and shown a lot. This has seen several revisions including standard, pro, extreme and supreme. Including a barebones system, just the case, and now announced clear and black cases (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/2-welcome-mat/15395-update?lang=en#15395) which were renounced by Barry. Gurrent model comes with an i7 processor.
Vic Slim - Initially two versions of the slim were produced. A pro version, this was the pheonix, and a less powerful black slim version. The silver (pheonix) vic was replaced by the current slim and the original slim was dropped completely. It has had a couple of hardware revisions. These computers are pre-built computers. However CUSA has access to the "barebones" case. At time of writing a "clearence" barebones (the old slim model) is available with a Atom D525 1.8GHz processor where as the current barebones comes with Intel Atom D2700 2.13GHz.
Vic Mini - This was origionally the same case as the Amiga Mini (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/component/content/article/3-newsflash/80-commodore-vic-mini) but in black and no laser etched Amiga sign. However this was replaced with the current Mini which is a rebadged ZOTAC ZBOX Giga ID70 Plus (http://www.zotac.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_images-SRW.tpl&product_id=414&category_id=153&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=100275&lang=en&vmcchk=1&Itemid=100275). No barebone is available as this is a simple rebadge with the same specs. It is priced at $999.
Amiga Mini - Current model is either a Streacom F4 or Wesena Minit ITX2 (http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/5/2/itx2). It has a laser etched Amiga sign on the front along with stick on Commodore branding. Initially only available in silver it was revised when the Vic Mini was replaced with the Zotac box. Now you can get it in black or sliver also with or without Amiga branding. Initially only one hardware setup was available which was an i7 with 16gb ram. Only the HDD was cusomizable and these were a traditional 1tb HDD, 300gb SDD or 600gb SDD. it was described as the sportscar of the computer world. However these were revised after numerous complaints about pricing ($2740) to include i3 and i5 processors and RAM selection. All systems include NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 430 GPU with 1GB DDR3. These have been linked to Zotac motherboards. A barebones model is available in both black or silver and with or without etching. hints of yet another hardware revision has been mentioned also (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/15473-amiga-mio?lang=en#15477)
Amiga Mio - this was recently announced (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/2-welcome-mat/15395-update?lang=en#15395) in Barry's big update. However it's been revealed that it actually the current Vic Mini (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/15473-amiga-mio?lang=en#15477). This change in name is to apparently make it easier identify and place it in the current product linup and is now the entry CUSA Amiga. No news on pricing has been announced.
Amiga 1000x - Hinted at a while back in a news article on commodore-amiga.org (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/component/content/article/3-newsflash/78-a1000x) this box, which was a photoshopped image from an original Amiga 100 box, was shown around several sites. It turned out to be a Wesena E5 (http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/7/3/e5) case and Iton Bluetooth keyboard (Read my post http://amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=683802&postcount=73). However a recent update from barry shows a pre-prdouction case with etched Amiga logo (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/15452-commodore-amiga-1000x-minus-the-keyboard-garage-and-custom-keyboard?lang=en#15452). Initially though several possible cases have been shown over the last year and a half including Kama T series and Origen S series. Pricing has been hinted at starting from $2495 (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/5-commodore-amiga-hardware-wishlist-/10991-cusa-commodore-amiga-concept-designs?limit=15&start=240&lang=en#13166). No specs have been announced.
Amiga 2000x and 3000x - Several possible cases have been shown over the last year and a half including Kama T series and Origen S series. No other news has been mentioned other than they could be expensive.
Amiga 500x - This was initially suspected to be the current Vic pro. However no further info came from this. Seems to be a dead project.
Now I lost my original list with all this on. So I had to piece it together from my own posts and what I could remember. If anyone can remember anything else then please let me know and we could update this.
@number6
I know you have a nose for info. If you can rememebr anything then please let me know. Also it shows how they constantly change their minds about hardware.
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They licensed both "Commodore" and "Amiga" from their respective owners after seeing a value in using those brand names.
but there's no value in sticking an amiga or commodore label on a PC in an aluminium case though :crazy:
I could do that at home, doesn't make it an amiga...
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Hi, my name is master chief. This is my first post and I would like to tell my side of the C=USA story.So my story begins in the summer of 2010. I grew fond of the C=/Amiga because I find great joy in playing with old software/hardware. I was searching to see if there was any new amiga hardware/software, when I stumbled upon Hyperion ,A-eon ,Acube ,and C=USA.
I read for hours about the companies and I found C=USA to be very interesting, considering they were going to use Aros to make a new amiga workbench. I was also very pleased to hear that somebody was going to try to bring amiga back into the mainstream market; but I slowly grew to dislike them over time. A little later I read that they had actually switched the os they were going to build upon to linux; but I actually found they did nothing to linux but add amiga forever 2012, C= forever 2012, and add a skin to linux which looks like s**t to me. Looking back, I was stupid for liking C=USA and their products. I mean, I liked them so much that I was even going to buy one of there c64x computers. Looking back at that, all they done to the best selling computer in the world was turn it into a pc with a pretty box and add an x onto the legendary c64 name.I would like to talk about there ceo barry altman while I am at it. I went to there forum to post my opinion of C=USA because they encourage people to post there opinions on there forum; but I soon realized that they only wanted the good opinions not the bad ones. I realize that companies would rather have good opinions of there products, they do not have to be so rude to there possible customers and while I realize this is a C=USA post I would also like to say if someone affiliated with hyperion reads this i support hyperion and it's affiliates to the fullest and I wish hyperion good luck.
Can you make story longer, would love to publish it!