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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / Science and Technology => Topic started by: runequester on March 15, 2011, 09:46:34 PM
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[rant on]
I dont expect people who dont care about computers to really be familiar with them.
I particularly dont expect people who dont use a computer to be familiar with one.
What I do expect is that if your day to day life or work involves a computer, then you damn well better figure it out.
Whats worse is that with a lot of people, it has gone from "I have no idea but I am trying to learn" to being proud of their ignorance and refusal to ever learn.
If I became a plumber, I couldn't get away with bragging about how I know nothing about plumbing and think its a waste of time. Why is it okay when it comes to computers in a workplace ?
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The answer is quite simple, folk in general these days are just lazy and do not see a need to learn about a computer that someone else will fix for them when they can't work it or something goes wrong... :(
What's to blame for this, simple answer... Computers... :)
Why, well as each new generation comes along unfortunately they take it for granted that computers are just a part of everyday life and have always been there. They don't see the need especially at work and even at home for them to understand how the thing works or even the basic fundamentals of what lies under the hood... :(
Most folk using a computer at home or work are not the types you'd find chatting here on these forums, they just see it as a tool used to do something that only requires them to be able to type a wee bit, move a pointer and click a mouse... :(
It always makes me sound ancient but back in the 70s when I was at school there were no such things as computers in the classroom at home or even anywhere in the school. Then along came the 80's and all of a sudden home computers began to appear and those of us who found them interesting really had no option but to learn about them all by ourselves... :)
Skip forward to today and as I say most of the younger generation have grown up in the belief that computers have always been there and are part of everyday life, most are ignorant of the fact that only 30 years ago this was not the case. Thing is most see them in the way I've explained and as long as they work they don't see the need to understand how they work as they can either be replaced cheaply or they pay someone else to fix or solve the problem for them... :(
As time goes by this only becomes more and more true, as much as I love computers they have done some incredible damage to the way a lot of people think and to how well educated they are, which is ironic when you consider how powerful an education tool a computer can be when used to it's full potential, not to mention the effect they've had on actual human social interaction... :(
Which again is totally ironic as I sit here typing this reply on the very thing that has so drastically changed our society and not always for the better. I'd honestly hate to be around in about 100 years from now to see just how insular and cut off from the real world folks will be as the only forms of communication done by most on the planet will be made by the internet, computing and mobile devices and social activities and interacting in the real world will only be done by the minority who choose to rebel against it... :(
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What I dont get is people who like "computers" but not a particular flavour of OS (or even CPU).
There's more than a few on these boards who will denounce Windows, Linux, OSX... whatever... till they're blue in the face and then brag about how they've never used them.
You wha?
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If computer language was like the alphabet i would probably get stuck on D :laughing:
But when i was younger i could do basic stuff like mounting disk drives and other stuff but not today. I think the last time i used my programming skills was to mount DosBox last week for a game :)
For me i lost a lot of interest in trying to solve a problem honestly after i got a few viruses that required me to reboot my entire hard disk. It kinda put me off a bit being honest. Today i prefer to solve my problems by backing up and rebooting :)
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Several reasons:
1) There is still the stigma of geeks being 'uncool.'
2) An adult is usually afraid to poke around and wreck something, kids have no such fear.
3) Reality TV has lowered everyone's intelligence.
4) People are too lazy/cheap to buy a book about learning computers.
5) The OS is not intuitive. I don't find Windows NT/XP etc. or Linux at all intuitive when it comes to customizing, whereas AmigaDOS and MS DOS was pretty logical... so easy to remember commands.
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Why do people insist of flushing when they know nothing about plumbing? ;)
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Why do people insist of flushing when they know nothing about plumbing? ;)
Most convenient way of getting rid of evidence in a hurry? :)
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Several reasons:
1) There is still the stigma of geeks being 'uncool.'
2) An adult is usually afraid to poke around and wreck something, kids have no such fear.
3) Reality TV has lowered everyone's intelligence.
4) People are too lazy/cheap to buy a book about learning computers.
5) The OS is not intuitive. I don't find Windows NT/XP etc. or Linux at all intuitive when it comes to customizing, whereas AmigaDOS and MS DOS was pretty logical... so easy to remember commands.
hah, true on the reality TV
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[rant on]
I dont expect people who dont care about computers to really be familiar with them.
I particularly dont expect people who dont use a computer to be familiar with one.
What I do expect is that if your day to day life or work involves a computer, then you damn well better figure it out.
Whats worse is that with a lot of people, it has gone from "I have no idea but I am trying to learn" to being proud of their ignorance and refusal to ever learn.
If I became a plumber, I couldn't get away with bragging about how I know nothing about plumbing and think its a waste of time. Why is it okay when it comes to computers in a workplace ?
I work with tech support too! ;)
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The Apple fanboys who insist on working with Macs are the most annoying people to deal with in my company.
Mostly marketing and sales ofcourse....
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Ohh man! Poor Runequester. He forgot to turn [rant off].
He's gonna have a crap day.
Ignorance is less stress, because its always something/someone else's fault. How could I be to blame.?
Just let out the standard; "Hmmm seems to be working fine now, show me how you did that again."
"Arr yes, I see. We call that an ID Ten T Error in I.T. "
Written "ID10T"
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Ohh man! Poor Runequester. He forgot to turn [rant off].
He's gonna have a crap day.
Ignorance is less stress, because its always something/someone else's fault. How could I be to blame.?
Just let out the standard; "Hmmm seems to be working fine now, show me how you did that again."
"Arr yes, I see. We call that an ID Ten T Error in I.T. "
Written "ID10T"
Error 40: Located 40 centimetres from the screen. :lol:
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What I dont get is people who like "computers" but not a particular flavour of OS (or even CPU).
Reasons include the "It could have been a contender" complaint, whereby another OS, often Windows is decried for it's dominant position, it can be because the OS is difficult to repair or install such as Linux or that the user feels the cost of entry is too high as in the case of OSX, for instance.
There's more than a few on these boards who will denounce Windows, Linux, OSX... whatever... till they're blue in the face and then brag about how they've never used them.
Again, in the above examples that is covered to an extent, although I agree in part with what you're saying.
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I've often felt the same towards the tech support monkeys at various places I've worked.... "You can't code, this makes you no better than the users you despise so much. Now shut the feck up Mr Point'n'Click admin!"
Don't get me started on those "programmers" who are scared of curly braces......
/rant
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I've often felt the same towards the tech support monkeys at various places I've worked.... "You can't code, this makes you no better than the users you despise so much. Now shut the feck up Mr Point'n'Click admin!"
Don't get me started on those "programmers" who are scared of curly braces......
/rant
So I take it you're one of those old stooges who brag about programming mainframes with punchcards back in the 60's, but who still can't figure out how to update his Java VM, and keeps yelling that I need to talk slower? ;)
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So I take it you're one of those old stooges who brag about programming mainframes with punchcards back in the 60's, but who still can't figure out how to update his Java VM, and keeps yelling that I need to talk slower? ;)
They were still doing things that way when I worked for Farranti at the start of the 80s and these were mainframes being sold to the British Ministry Of Defence... :eek:
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Those terms are so last decade, you should say swipe, pinch and unpinch....
I've often felt the same towards the tech support monkeys at various places I've worked.... "You can't code, this makes you no better than the users you despise so much. Now shut the feck up Mr Point'n'Click admin!"
Don't get me started on those "programmers" who are scared of curly braces......
/rant
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Those terms are so last decade, you should say swipe, pinch and unpinch....
Those are the same terms folks used on that adult chat site I used to visit... :)
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So I take it you're one of those old stooges who brag about programming mainframes with punchcards back in the 60's, but who still can't figure out how to update his Java VM, and keeps yelling that I need to talk slower? ;)
Nope, there is nothing tech support monkeys can do for me that I can't do for myself.
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[rant on]
I dont expect people who dont care about computers to really be familiar with them.
I particularly dont expect people who dont use a computer to be familiar with one.
What I do expect is that if your day to day life or work involves a computer, then you damn well better figure it out.
Whats worse is that with a lot of people, it has gone from "I have no idea but I am trying to learn" to being proud of their ignorance and refusal to ever learn.
Try working in an IT dept, one starts to loose hair very quickly. No it's nothing like the IT Crowd bummer :/
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Nope, there is nothing tech support monkeys can do for me that I can't do for myself.
If only the customers I support had the ability to generate RMA numbers! :(
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They were still doing things that way when I worked for Farranti at the start of the 80s and these were mainframes being sold to the British Ministry Of Defence... :eek:
Yelling and telling people to talk slower?
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Yelling and telling people to talk slower?
Pardon... slow down a bit and speak up laddie, can't understand a ruddy word your saying here... (one day I'll buy a new battery for this ruddy hearing aid)... pardon... quarter past two... :D
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Yeah, that's what you get for working with punch cards. Some of those machines are incredibly noisy!
I'm happy I've never been working with anything that didn't at least have some kind of magnetic storage. :D