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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: newbee on November 29, 2002, 11:56:09 PM
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RiscOS was the OS used by the ACORN and in it's day was considered as revolutionary as the AMIGA.
The platform suffered from variouse problems over the past 8 years but is now making a strong comeback (sound fammiliar).
More Info Here:Ionyx on sale now (http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact500.html)
Now comes the battle for hearts and minds in the "niche computer" market.
Regards
Darren
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Now comes the battle for hearts and minds in the "niche computer" market.
Question: What "niche" is that? DTP? Games? Music? STB?
Perhaps you mean more like "Hobby/Geek/Retro"? Well, I guess that's kind of a niche too ... :-)
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BTW, does the combination of greek names and exciting hardware sound familiar to anyone? :-o
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@takemehomegrandma
"BTW, does the combination of greek names and exciting hardware sound familiar to anyone?"
Familiar is one word that comes to mind. Ridiculous is another.
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I've been reading up on it.
No one is satisfied with the apps on it.
Some don't even work.
Multithreading and virtual memory is junk on it.
Interesting though.
I was hoping for a "real" alternative to windows.
Oh well, I'll have to wait for OS4 (probably OS5 though)
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WOW!!! That's what I call a cool computer! One look at it, and I'm back in a time when computers where fun. Did anyone go to the site, and look at the software available? Quite a lot of good stuff there. Check out the screenhots!
Too bad about the price though...I would have to be quite wealthy to be able to justify buying that.
Still, for not being an Amiga, awesome computer...
Great link, newbee! :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D
Kay
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mounatinmyst wrote:
I've been reading up on it.
No one is satisfied with the apps on it.
Some don't even work.
Multithreading and virtual memory is junk on it.
Are you talking about the new Risc machine or the new Amiga ? :lol:
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It's got DDR heh is this irony? Or satire? :-P :-o ;-)
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Zool included?! I want that machine! :-).
Hohum....Geforce2 MX400?? I thought NVidia gave zero support for non-wintel platforms?
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Familiar is one word that comes to mind. Ridiculous is another.
I hope you mean the combination and not the words of our language. :-x
Do these greek words (all those with bold) sound ridiculous to you?
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The genesis of classical drama was not symptomatic. Aneuphoria of charismatic and talented protagonists showed fantastic scenes of historic episodes. The prologue, the theme and the epilogue, comprised the trilogy of drama while synthesis, analysis and synopsis characterized the phraseology of the text. The syntax and phraseology used by scholars, academicians and philosophers in their rhetoric, had many grammatical idioms and idiosyncrasies.
The protagonists periodically used pseudonyms. Anonymity was a syndrome that characterized the theatrical atmosphere.
The panoramic fantasy, the mystique, the melody, the aesthetics, the use of the cosmetic epithets are characteristics of drama.
Eventhrough the theaters were physically gigantic, there was noneed for microphones because the architecture and the acoustics would echo isometrically and crystal - clear. Many epistomologists of physics, aerodynamics, acoustics, electronics, electromagnetics can not analyze - explain the ideal and isometric acoustics of Hellenic theaters even today.
There were many categories of drama: classical drama, melodrama, satiric, epic, comedy, etc. The syndrome of xenophobia or dyslexia was overcome by the pathos of the actors who practiced methodically and emphatically. Acrobatics were also euphoric. There was a plethora of anecdotal themes, with which the acrobats would electrify the ecstatic audience with scenes from mythical and historical episodes.
Some theatric episodes were characterized as scandalous and blasphemous. Pornography, bigamy, hemophilia, nymphomania, polyandry, polygamy and heterosexuality were dramatized in a pedagogical way so the mysticism about them would not cause phobia or anathema or taken as anomaly but through logic, dialogue and analysis skepticism and the pathetic or cryptic mystery behind them would be dispelled.
It is historically and chronologically proven that theater emphasized pedagogy, idealism and harmony. Paradoxically it also energized patriotism a phenomenon that symbolized ethnically character and phenomenal heroism.
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Check also this "french" text in end of this page (http://www.geocities.com/aeolis.geo/lexisright.htm)
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Alternative to Windows? I don't even remember the last time I used Windows. There are plenty of apps available for Mac OS X.
Unless of course you meant alternative to paying for something worth using...
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How come they have nVidia drivers? Why cant we have them too?
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Didnt Intel buy ARM ?
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Radfoo wrote:
How come they have nVidia drivers? Why cant we have them too?
It's possible they reverse engineered linux or windows drivers. I alos wonder if the driver has any 3D support (not specified). It's also a geforce 2mx which is no good. And Nvidia are bastards anyway.
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"Are you talking about the new Risc machine or the new Amiga ?"
Neither, he is talking about RiscOS which is the operating
system not the machine and that's just reporting of second hand opinions anyway.
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odin wrote:
Zool included?! I want that machine! :-).
Hohum....Geforce2 MX400?? I thought NVidia gave zero support for non-wintel platforms?
Nvidia support linux.
Happy Monday to everybody!!
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No-one is satisfied with the apps on it??? You've obviously NEVER used a RISCOS machine.
First of all. Most if not all current apps work perfectly on this machine. It is just old apps which some of us still use that "might" not work without a patch. If there's NO patch available (if the originator is no more) then there's aditional software which lets you run these old applications (emulation and/or JIT compiling). Anyway just like with a peecee it's clear that new machines are meant for newer apps. That's why these guys make nerwer models, isn't it? It also means that it might be good to inform yourself more thorough berfore making these assumptions.
As for it's multithreading or virtual memory. Again it's clear that you never used a RISCOS machine nor have any knowledge of former OS versions. You definitly have to keep in mind that RISCOS users are VERY spoiled as far as system-behaviour, multitasking and resource hog are concerned and many comments made by these users should be read with a pinch of salt (a complete pack is more like it ;-) ). Virtual memory is a NO on this platform (especially with 512MB system ram). The OS is NOT designed with virtual memory in mind since this would severly defeat the crisp and responsive use that RISCOS has been known for. There IS virtual memory build into apps who require it (photoretouching programs comes to mind) or system-wide by third party apps. Needless to say that as usuall some guys complain since they obviously want the OS-distributor to supply virtual memory instead of leaving this to a 3rd party. I personaly couldn't care less. The apps that I use who require it have it; usually far better implemented and written especially for that particular app.
As for a "Real" alternative to Windows. This IS a real alternative. It has no bounds with Microsoft or other US-software dominators. All major apps are created and developped in Europe (mostly Brittain and Germany). The hardware is completely designed from the ground up in EU. However many parts do come from asian or us-originated companies due to their dominant position in that particular marketsegment. This is also due for potential new Amiga hardware.
There is NO Office, word, MSIE etc. for this OS. However they do have wordprocessing/DTP, photoretouching, spreadsheet, database and all "standard" end-user apps you would want. Including internet software and multimedia tools. In fact EXCACTLY like Amiga. Some properiarity apps are missing but this is usually because the relavant file- or media format is not publicly available, carry a to expensive license fee to justify porting to RISCOS and/or the company behind it is unwilling to support anything other than M$. Again excactly the same as with Amiga. At least with the kind of Amiga's that I grew up with. as I'm unfamiliar with AmigaOne.
There is however one area seriously lacking with plenty of apps. And yeps.. you guessed it. The entertainment business (Games). There are games but not much or they're too old or too ugly to get any attention. But since this segment is silently shifting towards game-consoles anyway this becomes less of a burden to actually obtain alternative hardware/OS -combinations.
Anyway. If you really are interested in knowing more about these kind of machines then the only thing I can wholehaertly recommend is try to find some users who are willing to let you play with it for awhile. As this is the best way to get the hang of it. I'm sure you would "think different" when you actually used one. The same happened to me when I was a die-hard Amigoid (many years ago).
Regards,
Manu T
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Hohum....Geforce2 MX400?? I thought NVidia gave zero support for non-wintel platforms?
Technically speaking that's not true. NVIDIA Supply GeForce 4 MX and GF4 Ti cards to Apple for PowerMac G4s, as well as GeForce 2MX chips for the eMac and iMac. They also actively develop Apple's Mac OS X drivers for NVIDIA cards.
Still I can't see them supporting this small time platform. RISCOS died when Acorn went to the dogs.
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thats crazy...its even got DDR support.
price isnt 'that' bad either... like $1500 USD....
board/cpu (of course)
DDR 128MB
Case
PSU
48X CDRW
sound card
OS
80GIG HDD
RiscOS has some modern apps to... Its browser is fairly modern and it supports Java.... I think its cool all around that new platforms are starting to show up.
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There were a couple of real Acorn devotees at the place I used to work. I had an Archimedes for a while myself - real nice machine, although it never had the impact on my life that the Amiga did.
What most surprises me about the RiscOS platform is how long it's lasted. They even have their own glossy printed magazine here in the UK, which is something the Amiga hasn't had for over a year now.
What's most surprising about it is that Acorn only sold some 300,000 machines worldwide - a tiny fraction of the number of Amigas sold. Yet they have several "next-gen" machines to choose from whereas Amiga has none (but two in the works).
How did this happen? Heck, even the Atari ST has at least half a dozen "compatible" solutions to choose from (running up to dual 80Mhz '060s, with PPC on the way)
But Amiga.. BoXer, MMC, Walker, AmiJoe, P5 G3/G4 cards... the list goes on. Not one ever hit the market, whereas competing "alternative" solutions with really much smaller possible market-share did. I just don't get it.
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I think the answer is that the community cooperates...their community does anyway... they dont quibble...that and their CPU didnt die.
RiscOS also has devotees that use the product.... I know a bunch of UK dewd's that use it regulerly...
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The_Editor wrote:
Didnt Intel buy ARM ?
Nope, Intel bought Digital, which had an ARM license and who had designed and made the original StrongARM.
This computer is quite nice in many ways, less power than a 600MHz G3, but it has 64-bit PCI and DDR memory support. No AGP support though, then again a 64-bit 66MHz PCI graphics card is the same speed as AGP2x when that bus is not shared.
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this xscale CPU, it's manufactured by intel right ;-)
I'm still open to new solutions, but do anyone know how they measure compared to say a g3@600?
Interesting, but i think i'll stick to pegasos/amigaOne...
Like the feel of AOS.
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this xscale CPU, it's manufactured by intel right ;-)
I'm still open to new solutions, but do anyone know how they measure compared to say a g3@600?
Interesting, but i think i'll stick to pegasos/amigaOne...
Like the feel of AOS.
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honestly...as much as I like RiscOS... it feels like Windows NT 4.0 to me... It always has... maybe its changed...but the GUI is ugly and it feels like windows...so why not use the real thing?.. I dunno... AOS is alot nicer IMHO
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It might have been more impressive if they had created a case that was unique. An all in one motherboard? Looks like a PC.
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well by that same token A1 looks like a PC then..
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You know what this means?
That maybe, just maybe, the 300k Acorn fans know what they want while the 3mil+ Amiga fans don't?