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Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #59 from previous page: September 16, 2013, 11:47:47 AM »
Yes, I'd be interested in Radeon W3D-drivers for OS 3.x.
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Offline wawrzon

Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #60 on: September 16, 2013, 12:29:55 PM »
unfortunately going aros way we will not receive 3.x compatible drivers, only aros68k drivers in best case. also i dont think radeons 9xxx would be supported. with all the software side ready at hand finding a gallium compatible 5v pci card would be another challenge. (preferrably a nvidia one afaik)
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Offline OlafS3

Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #61 on: September 16, 2013, 04:10:05 PM »
there are more and more developers interested to directly support AROS 68k so I will need AROS 68k as compiler target in future.
 

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Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2013, 06:35:07 PM »
@wawrzon Wouldnt aros 68k support be good enough?
 

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Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2013, 07:42:50 PM »
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@wawrzon Wouldnt aros 68k support be good enough?

that depends on everyones personal preferences. if aros 68k wass ready for prime time id say, yes. but since some serious issues remain i just want to warn about the actual situation, rather than spread promises.

since the thread is originally about radeon driver, another question would be what particula cards would come into question. i dont have definite answer to that unfortunately.
 

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Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2013, 08:45:46 PM »
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Sometimes (many times) is like os4 is against the real amiga.

Well, I have been around for a lot of time, and I don`t have that impression. Its true Hyperion ceased any 68k development once moved to OS4 development, but they ceased to develop PPC games too - seems even OS4 is way too big task for such a small company.

Its easy to blame it when you look it like that, but to me AmigaOS 4 is as much Amiga as any AmigaOS 3.x is.

In terms of hardware, Classics have proven to be extremely limited at the end of 90s, so I always look forward for new generation of more open standard boards.
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Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2013, 08:49:52 PM »
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they want to sell their licenses and avoid everything that would support users on other platforms. I can remember reading a thread where someone asked one of the Friedens to compile something for another platform (I think it was Warp3D for 68k) and the answer was I could but I do not, buy AmigaOS when you want to use it (i do not remember the exact phrases). That shows the attitude...

As Wawa said only chance is AROS 68k. BTW the same is partly the case on MorphOS team too. Both "closed-source" and "commercial" camps want to defend their advantages and are not interested in sharing code in areas where they think they are better than the others. It is their right of course but it would have been better in a common interest to work together. But that is not the case (and will propably never be).

Of course it is different outside the "core" and even in the teams there are exceptions that are very open (like Fab from MorphOS-Team) but I think every technology that is seen as advantage like MUI4, P96, Cybergraphics 5 and so that is copyrighted will not opened or at least cross-compiled.

Now I understand it better. Its because new developed software points that have pushed MOS and OS4 forward will never get 68k compiled, and you are advised to move PPC, which you dislike.

Well, since those components are only things that do make a difference and move ahead, its understandable why they will not do it.

To be honest, would also like its one great (open source or not) OS, be it 68k,PPC or x86 (or all tree) but that is unlikely to happen.
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Offline OlafS3

Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #66 on: September 16, 2013, 08:53:29 PM »
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that depends on everyones personal preferences. if aros 68k wass ready for prime time id say, yes. but since some serious issues remain i just want to warn about the actual situation, rather than spread promises.

since the thread is originally about radeon driver, another question would be what particula cards would come into question. i dont have definite answer to that unfortunately.


"i just want to warn about the actual situation, rather than spread promises."

Yes? Example?
 

Offline nicholas

Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #67 on: September 16, 2013, 10:19:16 PM »
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Now I understand it better. Its because new developed software points that have pushed MOS and OS4 forward will never get 68k compiled, and you are advised to move PPC, which you dislike.

Well, since those components are only things that do make a difference and move ahead, its understandable why they will not do it.

To be honest, would also like its one great (open source or not) OS, be it 68k,PPC or x86 (or all tree) but that is unlikely to happen.


Your wish already exists in the form of AROS and at some point in the future both MorphOS and OS4 will cease to be developed. When that will happen is unknown but it will happen and at that point the code for AROS will still be there for anyone who cares to do whatever they want with on whatever hardware they want.
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Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #68 on: September 16, 2013, 10:47:51 PM »
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Your wish already exists in the form of AROS and at some point in the future both MorphOS and OS4 will cease to be developed. When that will happen is unknown but it will happen and at that point the code for AROS will still be there for anyone who cares to do whatever they want with on whatever hardware they want.


Maybe so... but it's going to be a LONG wait the way things are going.
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Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #69 on: September 16, 2013, 11:02:53 PM »
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Maybe so... but it's going to be a LONG wait the way things are going.


True. Very true. :/
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Offline wawrzon

Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #70 on: September 17, 2013, 12:37:11 AM »
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In terms of hardware, Classics have proven to be extremely limited at the end of 90s, so I always look forward for new generation of more open standard boards.


this is not the subject, whether or whatever the limits are these are concerns os amiga/aros68k users, standard boards are available for other aros users rather than what you choose to use. no need to lecture us who know better.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #71 on: September 17, 2013, 12:42:36 AM »
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"i just want to warn about the actual situation, rather than spread promises."

Yes? Example?


what are you upset about? as winuae user its not your concern, while those who might expect to use some sort of pci rtg boards in their amiga setups will have to make up their mind about the issue (im not an expert unfortunately). therefore i just propose a solution that the more knowledgeable might or might not find feasible. i am not sure if and which a nvidia card will work in (say) a mediator. none has ever tried so far i know.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #72 on: September 17, 2013, 12:44:08 AM »
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and you are advised to move PPC, which you dislike.

im bored with your agenda, to tell the truth..
 

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Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #73 on: September 17, 2013, 12:53:46 AM »
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BTW can I send someone (Olaf?) the latests Wazp3D sources to update the Aros version to my latest build

Alain Thellier (Wazp3D)


i have now the answer from the developer, who commited wazp to aros. i will establish the contact or pass the code over when necessary, but perhaps we dont need a forum for that. alain do you still have my mail? otherwise ill contact you. also whatever support you need and can expect from me im ready to provide;)
 

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Re: Bounty for better Radeon Mediator drivers
« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2013, 09:27:18 AM »
Yes it was Matthias Rustler that dit the Wazp3D Aros port
I will contact him soon (and you Wawa) but I need to check the latests sources and I dont have the time today
But I will do that this week
Same  for aros 68k iso + cow3d : dont have the time yet but I will check that soon

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