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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: redrumloa on May 08, 2007, 12:51:29 PM
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I'll start and you guys fill in the blanks, ok? Would be good to have a running list to point at anytime a new vapor product comes up and newbies get excited, not knowing the history.
Vapor here is defined as products announced for the Amiga market that after a long period of time never materialized for sale in that form.
A/box
a3400
A1000+
A2200 (Computer Answers)
A5000 MK1
A5000 MK2 (Power Computing)
A6000 (Power Computing)
AA3000 (Commodore)
AHT STB
Amiga 1400 (Commodore)
Amiga 3000+ (Commodore)
Amiga 4030L Portable (Quickpak)
Amiga 4060L Portable (Quickpak)
Amiga 4040L (Quickpak)
Amiga 4060L (Quickpak)
Amiga 5050T (Quickpak)
Amiga 1630LD (Quickpak)
Amiga ED (Viscorp)
Amiga MCC (Gateway - Amiga Inc)
Amiga MCC 1000
Amiga MCC 1200
Amiga Nyx
AmigaOne 1200
AmigaOne 4000
AmigaONE 1GHz CPU module (ACK)
AmigaONE 1.7GHz CPU module (ACK)
AmigaONE Dual 7410 Cpu Module (eyetech)
AmigaOS 4 Concept Developer System (Gateway - Amiga inc)
AmiJoe
AmiRage K2
Amy05
Apollo ViperPPC
Blizzard2604
BlizzardG3
BlizzardG4
BoXeR
Brainstormer
BSC MemoryMaster 1230
BSC TurboMaster 3050
BuddhaFlash A500
C5300 workstation
C5400 workstation
CD1200 (Commodore Amiga)
CD32 Game System 030 accelerator (Commodore)
CDTV Arcnet controller
CDTV CR
CDTV CR Mpeg card
CDTV2
Coldfire4000 (1)
Commodore 2631
Comspec Arm 1000 (Amiga Rom Module for A1000)
Comspec SA500 (A500 SCSI Expansion Adapter)
CV3D Mpeg card
CyberstormG3
CyberstormG4
daVinci Gfx card
Delfina Flipper - original Zorro/PCI "flipper" board
DKB Talon - Zorro gfx
DKB Inferno - gfx addon for Wildfire
Dragon1200
Dragon4000
eClips
eflash1200
Elbox EM8400 MPEG-2 hardware decoder
Elbox ISDN PCI card
Eureka Afterburner
G-MCC
Gigatron Amiga laptop
GVP A4098
Harms TurboJet 4000
Harms TurboJet 5000
HiQ "Alpha Project"
Hombre
Hurricane
I-MCC
Impulse Multiprocessing system
Inside Out
iPhantom
Kickflash (Individual Computers)
Lepord
M-Box
Martina Sound Card
M.A.S.T Infinity Machine - expansion box for A500 with 030
Melody CDTV soundcard
MicroA1 XC
MicroA1-I
O'Connell 68K™ "classic" Amiga® compatible notebook computer
Panda
ParaGlide
Pegasos I G4 cpu boards
Pegasos I Dual cpu boards
Pegasos II Dual cpu boards
PIOS One
PowerAmiga (Escom)
PowerVixxenLT
PowerVixxenTL
Pre/box
SharkPPC
Siamese PCI
Silicon Studio - Zorro III sound
Sunrize DD-524 - optical I/O for AD-516
TeronPX (AmigaOne)
TransAM
Tsunami
UltraBus USB Zorro Card (Creative Development)
Unnamed A1200 accelerator (ACK 2004)
Unnamed A1200 modular busboard & Accelerator combo (ACK 2004)
Unnamed A500 PPC accelerator + AGA (DCE)
Unnamed Amiga compatible laptop (BoXer developers)
Unnamed Amiga PPC computer (H&P)
Unnamed Supra 040 accelerator for A3000
Unnamed Z-III AGA upgrade card
Unity Zorro PCMCIA slot
Universal Internet Television Interface - UITI (Viscorp)
Unnamed PPC405 based PDA (Amiga Inc)
VideoToaster - PAL version
Wonder TV A6000
Walker
(1) Vapor to a lesser extent, the designer stressed it was a hobby product and made clear no promises on delivery.
Etc, Etc.. Fill in the blanks!!
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The list is incorrect.
Walker is a prototype and it is not vaporware. It exist in 3 pieces. (I know 2 of 3 owner)
The same for BoXer...
Luke
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bak006 wrote:
The list is incorrect.
Walker is a prototype and it is not vaporware. It exist in 3 pieces. (I know 2 of 3 owner)
The same for BoXer...
Luke
Prototype does not count. Vapor is defined as a product not available for sale after a long period of time, such as Duke Nukem Forever.
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What was the name of that Picasso4 addon 3D board? You know, the "Name the Baby" contest? Power Glider?? Let me know so i can add it.
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Fill in the blanks!!
Pegasos III :-D
@Red
The name was "ParaGlide".
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humppa wrote:
Fill in the blanks!!
Pegasos III :-D
@Red
The name was "ParaGlide".
Added, thanks:-) I dunno if Pegasos III qualifies yet, but I have added it :-)
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Siamese (series) (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/inside.html)
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There were two PowerVixxens - The LT for A1200s and the TL which was supposed to be a powerful system.
Also there were originally supposed to be G3 versions of the Blizzard and CS, however these were dropped.
By Coldfire do you mean Oli_HD's project? If so that's a bit unfair as it is(was?) only ever a personal project done in his spare time.
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I dunno if Pegasos III qualifies yet
Yet? The Pegasos III (PPC 970) was announced in July 2003 with a release date of "begining of 2004".
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@uncharted
I think it qualifies as it was well known. Heck, i wanted one. This is a gray area for sure, it's open for debate:-)
@humppa
Good point, it will stick.
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I don't know about the status, but I doubt it will ever be released:
AHT AmiVD/daVinci Zorro III Gfx card (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46015)
Link (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=1650)
edit:
How could you have missed the "mystery device" aka IBM reference Pda?
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uncharted wrote:
By Coldfire do you mean Oli_HD's project? If so that's a bit unfair as it is(was?) only ever a personal project done in his spare time.
I Agree, it's not very nice classing that project as "vaporware" as he was always honest and open about what was going off, and it was just his little project.
I think you should separate out little projects like this from the real vapourware, i.e. the A5000 and all that poo.
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humppa wrote:
I don't know about the status, but I doubt it will ever be released:
AHT AmiVD/daVinci Zorro III Gfx card (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46015)
Link (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=1650)
Sigh, obviously I have a soft spot for the Prometheus, but fair is fair.. Added.
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re: coldfire
I've added this, does it help?
(1) Vapor to a lesser extent, the designer stressed it was a hobby product and made clear no promises on delivery.
:-?
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@Red
I've added this, does it help?
That's cool.
RE the GFX card:
I think there are a lot of things we all desperately wanted to believe in. I know I really wanted the PV to be true, and slapped anyone who dared suggest vapour. :oops:
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Escom PowerAmiga (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/pamiga97.html)
phase5 Amirage K2 (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amirage.html)
and the mystery device (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9222005703.html) (which exists, but was never released with OS4, see above)
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humppa wrote:
Escom PowerAmiga (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/pamiga97.html)
phase5 Amirage K2 (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amirage.html)
and the mystery device (which exists, but was never released with OS4, see above)
Nice! I forgot those 2! Added! I don't think I can add mystery device, it has no name :-?
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Amiga CD1200 (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/cd1200-3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/cd1200.html&h=816&w=790&sz=103&hl=en&start=14&um=1&tbnid=n7Ryif9Rh26WAM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=139&prev=/images%3Fq%3Damiga%2B1200%2Bcd%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN)
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re: coldfire I've added this, does it help? Quote: (1) Vapor to a lesser extent, the designer stressed it was a hobby product and made clear no promises on delivery.
WoHoo I got an exception :-D
Thanks
(tbh though, if your class of vapor is (rightly so) just not on sale then the CF4000 is vapor but hey, I like it the way you did it :-) )
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ACA 630 (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/aca630)
68030 turbocard for the A600.
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And to add to the list:
Melody CDTV soundcard (http://www.katodev.de/english/melodycdtv.html)
CDTV Arcnet controller
Unity Zorro PCMCIA slot (http://www.katodev.de/english/unity.html)
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Missing the most important one:
Phase5 Blizzard2604 ... CS-PPC for the A2000 :-x
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CV3D Mpeg card (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=507)
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Added, added and added! Good stuff guys, keep 'em comin :-D
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Commodore CDTV CR
Commodore CDTV CR Mpeg card
Commodore Zorro mpeg decoder (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/a4000mpg.html)
Commodore 2631
ermmm I will keep thinking
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CD32 Game System 030 (Commodore) (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=272)
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good list, this is very much needed so we can keep an track on the vaporware...
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Small Tits Cam (http://www.girlcamfriend.com/webcam/small-tits/)
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As long as we're mentioning failed C= prototypes, don't forget the CDTV2, A1000+, and AA3000. Prototype machines are out there. Also the ill-fated A2200 promised by Computer Answers (it was a CD32 in a desktop case with some added boards).
How also about the PAL-version VideoToaster?
Phase 5 pre\Box?
Apollo ViperPPC
Individual Computers BuddhaFlash A500 version.
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Turrican wrote:
Siamese (series) (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/inside.html)
woah...that looks awesome....i would've bought one if it were around £100 and i had money to waste...wait...actually...no i wouldn't have...if they combined that with what that catweasel thing does (i.e. so i could bung amiga disks into a floppy drive and have amiga joysticks) then i'd buy it...otherwise i might as well just use uae
edit: actually...scrap that...that board is poop lol
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So many failed projects... :-(
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@Argus
Added CDTV2, A1000+, A2200, PAL Video Toaster and Apollo ViperPPC.
AA3000 is the same as A3000+, right? I had that already. I already had Pre/Box too :-)
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I think AInc should go register the term vaporware as an Amiga IP.
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Nokia Mediaterminal (was supposed to come with AmigaDE preinstalled. This isn't really amiga only however, and Nokia pulled the plug for unknown(?), unrelated reasons)
Amiga Ed - http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amigaed.html
Amiga MCC - http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amigamcc.html
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@redrumloa
just to sum things up, everything after 1994/95 failed. Even some things before then failed but every company after commodore was unable to develope NEW amiga hardware.... escom and amiga tech where the last that actualy sold any real amigas..but they failed to do new models....guess what there will be no new amigas... ohh well! Most educated people have realized this ages ago and moved on....some lunatics remains convinced that there is still hope....
The only people that have come close to doing a new amiga whas genisi.morphOS team but somehow that ended up not being amiga enough becasue it was too next gen... go figure....
@piru
amigaDE has nothing to do with amiga, yeah I know the name is confusing.
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What about that DCE A500 PPC + AGA expansion... LOL... that would have been sweet. ;-) The AmiJoe was another bummer, my understanding is it was fully functional and ready for production.
--edit-- Photo album link here (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=1242=7)
Looks like an A1200 PPC card plugged into another board with the AGA chips on it. How cool.
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countzero wrote:
I think AInc should go register the term vaporware as an Amiga IP.
If this latest thing with ACK goes like everything else, then I will second this motion. I will second it to Bill McEwen myself actually.
Having hope that there could be a new Amiga anything is fun. I am beginning to think though that guru-666 may be right.
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ACK AmigaONE CPU Module.
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I have never seen one...
SMD-100 Mpeg Player
http://www.pisle.com/amiga/hisoft/smd.html
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- Elbox MPEG-2 hardware decoder based on EM8400 processor
- Elbox ISDN PCI card
Okay, these cards probably exist, but there are no drivers. Both are still mentioned in the Elbox marketing material, as being supported by Mediator PCI Busboards.
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redrumloa wrote:
@Argus
Added CDTV2, A1000+, A2200, PAL Video Toaster and Apollo ViperPPC.
AA3000 is the same as A3000+, right? I had that already. I already had Pre/Box too :-)
afaik the AA3000 was different from the A3000+. iirc, the AA3000 was an A3000 with AA chips on it, an exact-dimension drop-in replacement for the original A3000 m/b. The A3000+ was a different board, and eventually ended up being the A4000 in a cost-reduced form (e.g. no scsi). Dave Haynie commented on this somewhere on Usenet.
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ddniUK wrote:
I have never seen one...
SMD-100 Mpeg Player
http://www.pisle.com/amiga/hisoft/smd.html
But are you sure that is vapor? That link looks like a product review :-?
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Martina Sound Card
archive.org: www.martina.3d.pl (http://web.archive.org/web/20050308053016/http://www.martina.3d.pl/)
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Piru wrote:
ACK AmigaONE CPU Module.
Added... Didn't Rose whats-her-name have one in development too :-?
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Piru wrote:
Martina Sound Card
archive.org: www.martina.3d.pl (http://web.archive.org/web/20050308053016/http://www.martina.3d.pl/)
Cool, that jogged my memory and I added this too.
Delfina Flipper - original Zorro/PCI "flipper" board
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AmigaOS 4 Concept Developer System
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/os4dev.html
(Yes, it's a PC... :-))
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redrumloa wrote:
ddniUK wrote:
I have never seen one...
SMD-100 Mpeg Player
http://www.pisle.com/amiga/hisoft/smd.html
But are you sure that is vapor? That link looks like a product review :-?
I dont know, I was hoping someone here would say if they ever saw one... we all know that many things are "reviewed", but never actually marketed...
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Didn't Rose whats-her-name have one in development too
I think she did.
Anyway, more from the memory lane:
AmigaONE Dual 7410 Cpu Module
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43965
http://web.archive.org/web/20060516205047/http://www.soft3.net/pages/pictures_e.php
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Hmm regarding ACK AmigaONE CPU Modules, there were supposed to be two of them (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3047).
My mistake.
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Matrox Parhelia (G1000) for OS4
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/10/amiganauts_rave_over_matrox_g1000/
Ok, not really related, the card was released (it was?) and wasn't vapor. No OS4 drivers however...
Excellent predictions from mr Hermans, though.
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Cripes! That's a lot of non-existent hardware.
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HiQ Alpha System
http://www.cucug.org/amiga/aminews/1998/980108-hiq.html
Some more background:
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/hiqalpha.html
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/sialpha.html
The final steps would have seen AmigaOS being ported to Alpha CPUs.
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@Piru
Wow!! Good one :-D
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QuikPak Amiga 40x0L Portable and other models.
Details here:
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/quiky.html
This stuff fell thru as QuikPak lost the bidding race to Gateway. More about that part of the story:
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/quikpak.html
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What was the name of that motherboard the Freiden brothers said they would hand solder themselves? Did it have a name :-?
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Gigatron Amiga laptop
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW/is_1989_Dec_12/ai_7975096
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Maybe it is not fair list vapourware add-ons (accelerator cards, gfx boards, sound cards and other crap) with complete motherboards and computer systems.
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Yeah, there's too much vapourware add-ons... or maybe separate list for them :)
But would be very interesting to see some dates. Maybe year of the first announcement and year when developer last reported about the hw or the project was officially closed?
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yeah like I said, anything anounced after 94/95, you know when commodore when under and took the amiga with them.... nice list I guess.
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Haage & Partner PPC Amiga (IBM POP)
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/os4ppc.html
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@pVC
But would be very interesting to see some dates. Maybe year of the first announcement and year when developer last reported about the hw or the project was officially closed?
Something like that is available at amigahistory.co.uk (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/notrel.html) (partial timeline (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/unreltimeline.html))
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Elbox E-Flash 1200 PCMCIA card. :-)
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pVC wrote:
Yeah, there's too much vapourware add-ons... or maybe separate list for them :)
But would be very interesting to see some dates. Maybe year of the first announcement and year when developer last reported about the hw or the project was officially closed?
Well, then we can put, the opalvision modules, the AteoBus soundcard, the Picasso IV mpeg decoder and PowerPC module, and others.......but i don´t know the names nor the dates
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The Amiga TARDIS never materialized either :-D
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redrumloa wrote:
Nice! I forgot those 2! Added! I don't think I can add mystery device, it has no name :-?
Well, that's IBM's 'vapor;' another reference design that was never widely adopted in the visible market, like POP or CHRP (or AMD's equally nice little Alchemy MIPS PDA that went nowhere visible).
The line item would be something like "IBM 405LP 'e-LAP' reference design derived PDAs." For all we know it did run but IBM never got anyone to buy in.
Also, wasn't it the Commodore 2200 that was dead, and the Computer Answers(?), Canadian-'built' 2200 did see light as a very limited run from surplus parts? Maybe I just 'want to believe' in that one, they sure advertised it for months and months...
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It's crushing looking at the list. I wanted some of the stuff in there so bad!
Three things I really wanted:
BlizzardG4
AmiJoeG3 (principally once it was clear the BlizzardG4 was vapour)
BoXer
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DKB Talon (Zorro gfx, similar to EGS 28/24)
DKB Inferno (gfx addon for Wildfire)
GVP A4098 (Zorro III SCSI)
Sunrize DD-524 (optical I/O for AD-516)
M.A.S.T Infinity Machine (expansion box for A500 with 030)
BSC MemoryMaster 1230 (amiga.resource.cx/photos/memorymaster1230 (http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/memorymaster1230))
BSC TurboMaster 3050 (similar to Blizzard 4030)
Eureka Afterburner (similar to Blizzard 4030)
Harms TurboJet 4000 (similar to Blizzard 4030)
Harms TurboJet 5000 (040 for A4000)
Supra had announced a 040 board for the A3000 in 1990, no name
Silicon Studio (Zorro III sound, www.woden.com/~studio/ (http://web.archive.org/web/19981205013453/www.woden.com/~studio/))
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The A3000+ was an A3000 with AGA chipset plus DSP, the AA3000 was a supposedly cheaper design (IDE instead of SCSI, no DSP, no onboard CPU) and finally became the A4000 - I would not regard those two as vapour since they were prototypes/developer machines.
What's definitely missing: when it became aparent that AGA would surface, C= announced a Z III AGA upgrade card for the A3000/T to save those machines from starving on the shelves - obvious vapour!
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I'm not sure this list is entirely fair. Granted, everything on it has never been publicly released, but I think there's a big difference between something that was merely announced and something that was actually prototyped and functional but never made it to mass production.
There are a lot of things that can go wrong in bringing a product to market and actually designing and producing a few units is 9/10ths of the work and the hardest part of the job. To call those projects pure vapor is an insult to the engineers who worked on them.
Thus, I think there should be a difference between vapor announcements and products that never quite made it to market (IE, prototypes exist).
Also, many of those items, especially some of the Commodore ones (CD32 030 board, 2631) were never even announed - they were internal engineering projects that got canned due to bankruptcy and idiot management well before the public was supposed to know about them.
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something that was merely announced and something that was actually prototyped and functional
Agreed. And in most cases we cannot be sure if a "merely announced" hardware had no actual prototype behind it. The "giant list of unreleased Amiga hardware" would be better describing the collection.
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Geeeez louise! What a list!! :-o
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"giant list of unreleased Amiga hardware"
I like that idea.
And why is the TeronPX/AmigaOne on this list? I own one, so I'm pretty sure it exists.
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UltraBus USB Zorro Card by Creative Development (www.credev.com, seems to be "offline" by now).
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:-o So many gadgets!
I wonder how much poignant feeling that adds up to when you think of the number of users that waited for each one :-(
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what all 4 of them. LOL, very sad. The problem with amiga has ALWAYS been a soft market. I remember dealers and game publishers complaining about the lack of market. Wired as it sounds I think the amiga market has been the same size for the last 15 years....just us *few* crazed users insisting that it is the best ( a statment that has long long long not been true anymore!)
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Well, then we can put, the opalvision modules, the AteoBus soundcard, the Picasso IV mpeg decoder and PowerPC module, and others.......but i don´t know the names nor the dates
If anyone has names I will add them.
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Kickflash (http://ami.ga/products/kickflash_e.htm) (Individual Computers)
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"@redrumloa
just to sum things up, everything after 1994/95 failed."
Ok, start a new list of companies that failed to release Vapor Hardware. :idea:
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"@redrumloa
just to sum things up, everything after 1994/95 failed."
Yeah, maybe a list of hardware that 'actually' got release would be more managable. :-D
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I noticed ACK has a fair bit of stuff on that list.
lets hope they come through this time round hey....
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This list certainly puts things in perspective. :-o
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It is sad to see that list.
BoXeR was what I wanted the most.
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One more:
Zorro 3 BIGRAM (Commodore)
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1. .....
and euh.....
................. hmmm
.............
and last but not least: .....
This completes the total list :-D
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Pegasos II 750GX CPU card.
Pegasos II 7447A CPU card.
Pegasos II 7448 CPU card.
AFAIK they all were prototyped and fully working, and serves as good examples of hardware that exists but never managed all the way to the market due to other reasons than technical.
I think the most common reasons for most of the hardware on this list ending up as vapor, is because of the huge obstacles that *follows* design and prototyping; that is setting up actual production which requires monumental efforts in arranging component supplies, financial strength (a long haul required). Obviously, designing hardware is nothing. Actual prototyping requires a little more (most HW on your list are designs only, many was never prototyped AFAIK), but when it comes to actual end-user production - here is where most projects gets abandoned!
When you have everything prototyped and tested, you ask yourself: "OK now, is this really worth the risk? When will I get the enormous big sum of invested money back, if *ever*? Is there really a market? Will the turnover be high enough or should I focus on something else?"
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Well done on this list... but shouldn't it have 2 levels? Manufacturer (Alphabetically sorted) and product (Chronologicaly sorted)...
for exampe:
Amiga:
>>Anything
>>Everything
>>AOS5
Commodore:
>>A1000+
>>AAA
>>Gemini
Elbox:
>>SharkPPC
>>Dragon
Phase5:
>>A/Box
etc...
That way it becomes clear which companies have been the most flaky... Projets like Oli's Coldfire could then be field under Hobby... thus reflecting the fact that it was just a fun project.
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Roaster chip for the OpalVision.
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Gateway's November boxes. I seem to recall them showing them at a show in the 90s... they showed an empty cardboard box.
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Zorro 3 BIGRAM (Commodore)
Nope. It is clearly stated that this board was a design example only for reference and testing purposes.
Michael
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adolescent wrote:
Kickflash (http://ami.ga/products/kickflash_e.htm) (Individual Computers)
kickflash? I have 2 of them man! they are sold!!!
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You most likely have the zorro version. This kickflash version was to be put in the rom sockets.
I have a thread about it here on amiga.org.
Edit:
Kickflash thread (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14363)
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keropi wrote:
adolescent wrote:
Kickflash (http://ami.ga/products/kickflash_e.htm) (Individual Computers)
kickflash? I have 2 of them man! they are sold!!!
That was my first reaction because I've sold dozens of them, but my memory soon cleared up.
What you have is *not* a Kickflash, they were never made. What you have is a KickflashOS4. The original kickflash was a drop in replacement for the original ROMs and was to be available for all Amiga models including A1000, A500, etc etc.
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Maybe you should split your list: there is hardware which has at least reached prototype stage (like the UltraBUS, the Unity, the daVinci), and there is hardware which has never ever been seen by anyone (might be far longer than the first list).
For splitting the list one should also add links to pictures of prototypes.
Michael
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redrumloa wrote:
That was my first reaction because I've sold dozens of them, but my memory soon cleared up.
What you have is *not* a Kickflash, they were never made. What you have is a KickflashOS4. The original kickflash was a drop in replacement for the original ROMs and was to be available for all Amiga models including A1000, A500, etc etc.
Jens thinks so too...
http://amiga.think42.com/news/news12_e.htm (http://amiga.think42.com/news/news12_e.htm)
20.10.2000: Kickflash finally in production!
After a long time, the revised version of Kickflash finally went into production. First, the total Amiga-classics A500 and A1000 are served: In addition to 1MB Flash memory for kickstart Roms, a 86-pin slot for A2000 accelerator boards and a Zorro-slot are given. A version for the A1200 will follow.
One other lost product is the KickflashOS4 1GB (?) expansion.
http://amiga.think42.com/news/news80_e.htm (http://amiga.think42.com/news/news80_e.htm)
18.06.2003: Kickflash OS4: Final product specifications
Due to the high demand, Kickflash OS4, which has been announced on June 2nd, has been revised. The base version now has 1MB of flash memory, and can be expanded to 1GB on an expansion port. Transfer rates can be compared to normal harddrives, but the common access times of mechanical mass-storage media practically don't exist on flash memory: On random access, so-called solid-state memory is about tenthousand times faster than common harddrives.
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mboehmer_e3b wrote:
Zorro 3 BIGRAM (Commodore)
Nope. It is clearly stated that this board was a design example only for reference and testing purposes.
Michael
Ok. But, couldn't you say the same for several other products on the list?
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Many products have never been announced and therefore cannot be vapor. Additionally, it does make a difference whether a product is announced as a future product or a mere design study (e.g. Boxer).
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Zac67 wrote:
Additionally, it does make a difference whether a product is announced as a future product or a mere design study (e.g. Boxer).
uhh... The BoXer was not a design study. Many people preordered due to false press releases...
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@ Piru
The portable actually existed. I saw it at a Toronto Amiga show. Also they had (If I recall the correct model number) an Amiga 5050 which was a PC-Amiga hybrid. Not sure if it was just an A4000T with a bridgeboard or two motherboards inside one case.
Both the 4040L and 5050 were on display and working at the show.
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redrumloa wrote:
What was the name of that Picasso4 addon 3D board? You know, the "Name the Baby" contest? Power Glider?? Let me know so i can add it.
Keep in mind the Paraglide was never finished because Klaus Burkert passed away.
Also at WOA 99 in Cologne Villagetronic had their mac version of the 3d card hooked up through some adapter on the P-IV.
Even with working preliminary drivers. The mini connector on the P-IV is actually some sort of PCI.
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The C= CD-ROM drive for the A1200 that was supposed to come out just after CD-32, forget the designation?
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@shillard
The CD1200 is already on the list.
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The list seems to be almost done.
Just one more to add, The wonder TV which caused a big dispute about licencing and who had the right to sell Amiga stuff.
Wonder TV (Amiga History) (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/wondertv.html)
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What about the Kathyone's board mentioned here (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=21394)?
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I'm not sure the Video Toaster PAL version should actually be listed here, since it wasnt delivered because of Motorolas Vapor ware, not any issues with Newtek. In additon, it doesnt look like any of the Opalvision addons are on the list, and surely deserver to be :).
-Tgi
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How about the A4000CR? Can't quite remember the specs, but I think Motorola would manufacture a 68030 with lots of other logic for a Cost Reduced version.
Wasn't it talked about a "Ranger" around 1988 which was supposed to be better than what AGA turned out to be?
And I wonder who has Scala's A3000+...
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I have a 4000CR, they are not vapor.
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Tahoe wrote:
I have a 4000CR, they are not vapor.
Are you sure you are talking about the same model?
This was a machine without a separate CPU, instead it would have either the CIA and other logic chips (or the AGA chips themselves) integrated with an 030 core onto the same die.
It was only discussed at a developers conference AFAIK.
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Best I can tell, the addons package for Opalvision was named the Opalvision Video Processor. This is the label added to the box containing a beta unit that I have.
This consisted of an Opalvision, Roaster chip for the Opalvision boards empty chip socket, the Framebuffer card that attaches to the Opalvision, a fan to cool them that blows through a hole on the daughtercard over the roaster chip (I think, been a long time since I've taken that out of the box).
In truth, Vaporware should be limited to items actually announced as being prepared for sale to consumers. The Opalvision Video Processor definately qualifies. I think they were even taking orders for this before it slipped beneath the waves. Internal prototypes and devemopment systems, though we might wish they had been completed and sold, are not technically vapor.
There had to be smoke for there to be vapor.
But all in all, an interesting and informative list.
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What about the SX-32 Mk-II Pro?
(The pro version was supposed to have an integrated mpeg decoder.)
That was also announced but never materialized.
http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=1745
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How about various Amiga transputer expansions (and systems)? I guess none of them were publically released. Not sure though... Anyway, I remember reading an article in an old finnish mag long ago, and it sure seemed quite interesting, but I couldn't help wondering why I hadn't heard / read of them before (as it was an old mag) - close enough to "Vapor" to me :-)
See for example this (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=842) one:
Search http://www.amiga-hardware.com with "transputer" to find more.
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bak006 wrote:
The list is incorrect.
The same for BoXer...
Luke
I'm sorry, but the BoXer *IS* and will always be vapor. I don't f*ucking care if there are "prototypes", 'cos I'm owed one and Anti-Gravity ran off with my pre-order money.
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I lost my OS4 preorder money twice over (preordered two copies), and I still like my OS4! And, I did get ONE t-shirt.... I was pretty insulted that I didn't get the second one, although I was surprised to get one at all especially because they didn't have my current address.
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AMC258 wrote:
I lost my OS4 preorder money twice over (preordered two copies), and I still like my OS4! And, I did get ONE t-shirt.... I was pretty insulted that I didn't get the second one, although I was surprised to get one at all especially because they didn't have my current address.
Thanks for reminding me!! I added the "I Am Amiga" Coupon to the vapor list.
Hmm.. does that count as hardware :-?
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Naah, I've removed it. Not hardware.
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I heard the BoXer is almost done.
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what about the "Silent PAWS" A1200 luggable laptop? was that ever available to buy? I know they had it at some of the shows?
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Heh I made it on the list with project Alpha.
But why is Siamese on there unless you mean the PCI Amiga card which was dropped by Gateway and was not Siamese it would have used the Siamese software if the hardware had been delivered.
Still IMICA is complete :-)
I like this list though.
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How about GVP 4MB simms for the gforce040/A3000. The board shipped with 1mb simms, and advertised 4mb as coming soon. Would have been very sweet as the board used 40ns non-multiplexed ram, mmmmmm....
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Best I can tell, the addons package for Opalvision was named the Opalvision Video Processor. This is the label added to the box containing a beta unit that I have.
This consisted of an Opalvision, Roaster chip for the Opalvision boards empty chip socket, the Framebuffer card that attaches to the Opalvision, a fan to cool them that blows through a hole on the daughtercard over the roaster chip (I think, been a long time since I've taken that out of the box).
In truth, Vaporware should be limited to items actually announced as being prepared for sale to consumers. The Opalvision Video Processor definately qualifies. I think they were even taking orders for this before it slipped beneath the waves. Internal prototypes and devemopment systems, though we might wish they had been completed and sold, are not technically vapor.
There had to be smoke for there to be vapor.
But all in all, an interesting and informative list.
The Roaster chip is certainly not vaporware, I have seen an Opalvision with the Roaser chip working in Argentina about ten years ago.
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The Roaster chip is certainly not vaporware, I have seen an Opalvision with the Roaser chip working in Argentina about ten years ago.
What was the Roaster to have done?
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What was the Roaster to have done?
Roast the Amiga Video Toaster.
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What was the Roaster to have done?
Yeah, as Pyromania said it was suppose to have similar functionality as the Video Toaster.
optional Video Processor and Roaster Chip adds a wealth of additional features and functionality including:
-framegrabbing, genlocking, chroma keying, luma keying, realtime colour processing of live video
-provides an unlimited number of transitions and digital video effects including cuts, wipes, fades, special organic effects (soft- or hard edged), infinite range of flips, tumbles, page peels, image wrapping, picture in picture effects and more 24 bit 35 ns character generator
I believe these are photos of the Roaster (looks like an entire board that plugs in not just a chip)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2124/1516129745_0b6fb6077e.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2257/1516987150_211405fefc.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2206/1516992800_2016ebef24.jpg)
There was also suppose to be the Opal Vision Video suite:
-a 19 inch rack mountable unit which includes video and audio mixing, switching and transcending connects directly to the Video Processor
-24 bit frame store
-nine video and ten audio inputs
-professional quality video inputs and outputs are available simultaneously in RGB or Y / R-Y / B-Y, composite and S-Video
-linear transparency key provides transparency control between two video sources on a pixel by pixel basis
-fully software sequenced audio mixer with smooth fades and full 5 band stereo frequency equalization
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I remember the heart of the Roaster was a xilinx chip that had to be plugged to a socket on the Opalvision motherboard, but could only work if the card was the last revision (I can remember the number).
It provided 3D effects similar than the toaster, but also usable in PAL.
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It's too bad the Roaster did not come out. It would have forced NewTek to innovate the Amiga Video Toaster Flyer more.
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It's quite funny actually, Amiga must get the record for the greatest quantity of unreleased hardware for any platform (not such a great accolade really).
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It's too bad the Roaster did not come out. It would have forced NewTek to innovate the Amiga Video Toaster Flyer more.
How? Amiga ceased to exist not the Video Toaster.
As far has the Video Toaster Flyer, well, they did. They still are.
http://www.newtek.com/vt/features.php
The big beige box/PSU has a different CPU, but their products continue.
TV stations still use the Video Toaster. Just like any hardware you upgrade to newer versions when the current one gets old. They don't know/care what it says under the sticker.
If you went into a local TV station and said "Remember when you use to use the Video Toaster?" They'd probably say, "What are you talking about, use to? We've been using Video Toaster since, 1991. Look we have the latest version right here."
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ACA 630 (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/aca630)
68030 turbocard for the A600.
You can take this off the list now ^_^
I have one sat in my big-box Amiga 600 next to me ;)
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You can take this off the list now ^_^
I have one sat in my big-box Amiga 600 next to me ;)
Taken off!:hammer:
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my big-box Amiga 600
:griping:
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I thought the Delfina flipper actually existed??
Are we sure it's vapour?? I could swear otherwise, my memory might be failing though.
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I thought the Delfina flipper actually existed??
Are we sure it's vapour?? I could swear otherwise, my memory might be failing though.
I think this was addressed earlier in the thread, but here we go.
The "Delfina Flipper" was announced with a "flipper" interface. The "Flipper" interface meant a zorro connector on one side and a PCI connector on the other side. This product never was released.
What was released was the Delfina "Flipper Edition". This product was clock port only, completely different.
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Here's another two to add to the list;
Comspec Arm 1000 (Amiga Rom Module for A1000)
Comspec SA500 (A500 SCSI Expansion Adapter)
The ARM 1000 allows you to add a Kickstart 1.3 ROM to the A1000.
I played with the prototype but it was never released to the public due to limited interest and required Hardware modifications.
The PAL Ground Modification was required and the PAL Chips at U6J and U6L on the Daughterboard needed to be replaced. Also some PaL jumpers were required
between Pin 1 of U6J to Pin 19 of U6K and Pin 15 of U6L.
I still have a copy of the manual.
Also unlike other Comspec Expansions for the A1000 the case was plastic and not metal like the AX1000 and SA1000
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I think this was addressed earlier in the thread, but here we go.
The "Delfina Flipper" was announced with a "flipper" interface. The "Flipper" interface meant a zorro connector on one side and a PCI connector on the other side. This product never was released.
What was released was the Delfina "Flipper Edition". This product was clock port only, completely different.
I thought it had a Zorro interface and clock port just.
Oh well.
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Here's another two to add to the list;
Comspec Arm 1000 (Amiga Rom Module for A1000)
Comspec SA500 (A500 SCSI Expansion Adapter)
The ARM 1000 allows you to add a Kickstart 1.3 ROM to the A1000.
I played with the prototype but it was never released to the public due to limited interest and required Hardware modifications.
The PAL Ground Modification was required and the PAL Chips at U6J and U6L on the Daughterboard needed to be replaced. Also some PaL jumpers were required
between Pin 1 of U6J to Pin 19 of U6K and Pin 15 of U6L.
I still have a copy of the manual.
Also unlike other Comspec Expansions for the A1000 the case was plastic and not metal like the AX1000 and SA1000
Added Comspec Arm 1000 (Amiga Rom Module for A1000) and Comspec SA500 (A500 SCSI Expansion Adapter)