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Offline kolla

Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2014, 01:27:32 PM »
Without any single point of communication, reporting bugs for OS3.9 is a PITA. It speaks volumes that even those who are "inside" and know other OS developer by their first names, even they do not know the legal status of a rather core component of the OS.
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Offline kolla

Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2014, 01:41:24 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;772643
The next time I'll have access to the Amiga will be in October (yes really, it is really that slow).


Why not build yourself an Amiga in the cloud? :hammer:
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guest11527

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Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2014, 02:24:14 PM »
Quote from: kolla;772645
Why not build yourself an Amiga in the cloud? :hammer:

Yes, it's kind of ironic. I'm here working at a computing center with a big bunch of machines for my disposal, but none of them is a working Amiga.

Anyhow. Please understand that none of those that contributed code to 3.9 were lawers, only engineers, so how could one know the status of the components given that we don't even know the contracts of each other? These were negotiated individually, BTW.
 

Offline stefcep2

Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2014, 02:25:35 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;772585
No, unfortunately. I tried several times to contact Alex concerning this problem, but I didn't receive anything. (It's not that I'm unable to fix this in P96 - I have everything I need - except the author's permission). Then, however, it's vacation time, so he's probably somewhere else.  Greetings, Thomes


Amiga software authors must be the most difficult to contact

I remember the owner of Miami years ago "disappearing", then the MUI guy, the IBrowse guy.

Everyone these days is contactable but no, not Amiga programmers.

And if you do manage to contact him it would not surprise they refuse, well because they can.

Unbelievable.
 

Offline kolla

Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2014, 02:30:17 PM »
Luckily there is Cosmos ;)
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Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #80 on: September 09, 2014, 02:41:27 PM »
Quote from: stefcep2;772648
And if you do manage to contact him it would not surprise they refuse, well because they can.

Unbelievable.

It's not "because they can". Nobody is needlessly destructive here. It is just that software was created under contract, the authors are not necessarily the owners, and the actual owners have no business anymore in the Amiga market, with the responsble persons having already left the company a long time ago, along with insight knowledge on the contract, or possibly even the contract itself.

So what can an author say? If "yes", he's pobably breaching a contract that still exists, even though the owners do not care. Contacting the owners might be hard or even impossible, leave alone they may not even know anything from back then - though that doesn't invalidate the contract. Thus, from a legal perspective, it is of course the safest option not to say anything.
 

Offline LoadWB

Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #81 on: September 09, 2014, 03:11:00 PM »
Quote from: stefcep2;772648
Amiga software authors must be the most difficult to contact

I remember the owner of Miami years ago "disappearing", then the MUI guy, the IBrowse guy.


I understand that after Holger Kruse went to work for Rebol he lost the Miami key generation ability in a hard drive crash.  I have often chided him for being completely non-responsive as I'm certain he's not flooded with emails from Amiga users.  As for Stuntz (MUI,) I have received emails from him recently in response to inquiries about purchasing additional MUI licenses for my 68k machines; quickly, no less.

I don't think anyone's heard from the IBrowse front since the fall of the Berlin Wall. :laugh1:
 

Offline olsen

Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #82 on: September 09, 2014, 04:47:24 PM »
Quote from: stefcep2;772648
Amiga software authors must be the most difficult to contact

I remember the owner of Miami years ago "disappearing", then the MUI guy, the IBrowse guy.

Everyone these days is contactable but no, not Amiga programmers.

And if you do manage to contact him it would not surprise they refuse, well because they can.

Unbelievable.
This may sound harsh, but people's lives change greatly between their twenties and forties, and the behaviour you criticize is most definitely a result of that.

Many of us Amiga developers started out when we were in our early twenties, and it has been almost 20 years since Commodore folded. That's a lot of time in which we went to university, moved, married, got a job, changed jobs, etc. As soon as you have a family to care for, your life is never going to be the same as it was before. You lose contact with your friends, your spare time shrinks, you have commitments to your job and your company which take priority over what used to be more fun.

Now, I'm still single, don't have a family of my down to care for, but many of my friends I knew since school, friends I met at university, friends I met in the Amiga field, their lives have changed so much in 20 years that it baffles me, and it humbles me, too.

So, please don't consider the lack of "love" for the old Amiga material to be arrogance or negligence. Things change, and they change at different speeds for different people.

There's that, and technology has changed, too. How do you contact somebody on the Internet whom you could reach 20 years ago via e-mail or IRC? This has become more difficult, not less difficult. You don't need to go back 20 years, it's been difficult for even 10 years.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #83 on: September 09, 2014, 04:57:43 PM »
yes, having a family is greatly overrated, but the whole talk here is just another proof that open source is the only sensible solution in a given situation. alas neither great part of developers nor users seem to acknowledge it.
 

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Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #84 on: September 09, 2014, 05:47:08 PM »
Quote from: wawrzon;772656
alas neither great part of developers nor users seem to acknowledge it.

Isn't that another way of saying it's not a solution? Anyhow. It's not really that I'll stop anyone from contributing, I'm even happy to answer questions if I can. Please understand that I have limited time and limited possibilities to contribute.
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #85 on: September 09, 2014, 05:54:02 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;772661
Isn't that another way of saying it's not a solution? Anyhow. It's not really that I'll stop anyone from contributing, I'm even happy to answer questions if I can. Please understand that I have limited time and limited possibilities to contribute.

No it is not... it only shows that many of the few that are left are stubborn und unwilling to invest in something new even if it might offer future
 

Offline psxphill

Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #86 on: September 09, 2014, 06:41:36 PM »
Quote from: kolla;772649
Luckily there is Cosmos ;)

At one time I would have agreed, recently he's trashed his own reputation in a dick waving contest.
 

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Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #87 on: September 09, 2014, 09:20:02 PM »
Quote from: OlafS3;772662
No it is not... it only shows that many of the few that are left are stubborn und unwilling to invest in something new even if it might offer future

As often, this is really a matter of perspective. Especially on "future". Look, I probably should not open up this discussion, but if I really seriously consider what the future should be - at least as far as computing is concerned - then it is not Amiga. It's a nice hobby, for sure, but it's not the future of computing. It is the past of computing.
 

Offline Methuselas

Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #88 on: September 09, 2014, 11:25:53 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;772680
As often, this is really a matter of perspective. Especially on "future". Look, I probably should not open up this discussion, but if I really seriously consider what the future should be - at least as far as computing is concerned - then it is not Amiga. It's a nice hobby, for sure, but it's not the future of computing. It is the past of computing.


+1 We may have had a chance, with things like Amithlon, when they first came out, but now none of the camps have what is needed for any of them to become commercially viable, beyond a hobbyist machine.
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Offline psxphill

Re: Layers.library V45 on the aminet
« Reply #89 on: September 10, 2014, 08:28:12 AM »
Quote from: Methuselas;772682
+1 We may have had a chance, with things like Amithlon, when they first came out, but now none of the camps have what is needed for any of them to become commercially viable, beyond a hobbyist machine.

Commercial viability disappeared in the early 90's.
 AOS4 and MorphOS will never be more than a crowd funded hobby.