Amiga Browser Identification

[Karlos]

Hi,

Off hand, does anybody know the user agent identification strings for existing amigaos browsers? I'd like to experiment with making some pages amiga friendly (et, delivering HTML only content to browsers with no CSS support).

I found some long lists on the web but not sure how up to date the amiga entries are.

[cecilia]

if i understand you correctly this is what I use in my pages:

[Karlos]

@cecilia

You do indeed understand me correctly :-).

As it goes I was planning to do it server side (php) to remove any need for client side javascript. There, I can use the server global $_SERVER["HTTP_USER_AGENT"], which should be the complete userAgent string (containg the browser application name, version information etc).

[Minuous]

CSS isn't good for much anyway, you may as well just use HTML...

[Karlos]

Minuous wrote:
CSS isn't good for much anyway, you may as well just use HTML...

IMO, CSS is extremely useful where it is properly supported. Which unfortunately doesn't include any amiga browsers I am aware of.

[cecilia]

Karlos wrote:
@cecilia

You do indeed understand me correctly :-).

in So many ways!:lol:

As it goes I was planning to do it server side (php) to remove any need for client side javascript. There, I can use the server global $_SERVER["HTTP_USER_AGENT"], which should be the complete userAgent string (containg the browser application name, version information etc).

ok, well, I know nothing about php code.
however, for what it's worth, the names of the browsers I use in my html code work for all versions of these browsers. is php very picky?

[Doobrey]

cecilia wrote:
 well, I know nothing about php code.
however, for what it's worth, the names of the browsers I use in my html code work for all versions of these browsers. is php very picky?

The trouble with using HTTP_USER_AGENT  is that it's not foolproof, the server only knows what the browser tells it in the http request.
 Then you get lame arsed sites that check this and see you're not running IE6 and just redirect to an annoying page that tells you to install IE and try again. Cos of this, some browsers let you change the value so it the server thinks you're using IE..and suprise suprise, most of the time the page loads fine  :madashell:
 Although I've yet to meet anyone who changed their user agent string from Mozilla/IE6 etc to AWeb, so I guess it's safe to assume if it contains AWeb, IBrowse or Voyager then you're dealing with an Amiga (or Morphos) client.

[Karlos]

@Doobrey,

I know just what you mean. I am extremely fussy about server side browser detection when I do have to use it. In this case, I am only looking for amiga browsers under the assumption they do not have CSS and do not fully implement the Javascript DOM in order to adapt the content without client redirection. Provided the userAgent string definately contains AWeb, Voyager, IBrowse etc these will be the only special cases.

@cecilia

PHP is good fun :-)

[Doobrey]

Don't forget Lynx  ;-)

[Minuous]

Useful for what!!?

If it was useful, it would already be supported by Amiga browsers. Same with Java, ActiveX, XML, and other useless "technologies".

[Karlos]

Minuous wrote:
Useful for what!!?

If it was useful, it would already be supported by Amiga browsers. Same with Java, ActiveX, XML, and other useless "technologies".

Of course that's the reason they don't support it. How silly of me to think otherwise...

I'll just strip our company's online administration software back to plain text with links. Greenscreen and monospaced, after all who needs anything more?

We have no need for remote server calls, self validating forms, context sensetive menus  etc, all of which are written within W3C guidelines for Javascript/DOM/CSS and require some of the things you list here.

Anyway, enough. I am not going to be drawn into a debate about the usefulness of any particular web technology.

All I want to do is to make pages on my own sites more amiga friendly by producing nice quirky "not quite standards compliant" over formatted HTML :-P

So, getting back to the topic. does anybody have an up to date list of amiga browser userAgent identification strings?

[bloodline]

Minuous wrote:
CSS isn't good for much anyway, you may as well just use HTML...

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!1!!!!1! YOU HAVE NO CLUE!!!

CSS is the best thing that happened to HTML since Javascript...

[Karlos]

@blooders

Don't feed it ;-)

[Doobrey]

bloodline wrote:
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!1!!!!1! YOU HAVE NO CLUE!!!

I had to do a double take on the username there.. for a minute I thought Doomy had returned :lol:

CSS is the best thing that happened to HTML since Javascript..

Javascript is a good thing??? You'll be singing the praises of ActiveX next!