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Operating System Specific Discussions => Amiga OS => Amiga OS -- Development => Topic started by: kd7ota on December 04, 2006, 02:52:05 PM
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....Sorry guys, had to do it. :-)
But seriously though. For the past years visiting Amiga.org, I always see some kind of thread related that the Amiga OS should be ported to this or that.....
Honestly, what would be the point into making an OS to x86 if you can have other OSs that have been developed/worked on for much longer?
Sure some dont like windows, but that doesn't mean you have to use it. :-)
Amiga OS is great, and id rather have a real Amiga to use the Amiga OS on. Sure its not fast, but what counts in the end is the feeling that you get knowing you are a handful of Amiga users that are online using the Amiga. :-)
Until then, we should start a strike in front of Hyperion (They are the ones holding off until adequate hardware is available right?) and demand OS4 :-D
Smile everyone, its monday! :lol:
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:lol:
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Helgis? lou dias? Is that you???
:lol:
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Why don't we port it to the IBM Big Blue while we're at it? :-D
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McVenco wrote:
Why don't we port it to the IBM Big Blue while we're at it? :-D
Great idea! :-D
Then we wouldn't need a graphics card and have the best graphics around. :-)
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No no, we should port it to Z80, this way we can maintain our little clique and shun outsiders. ;-) :idea:
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I think AmigaOS should be finally allowed to rest in peace and dignity.
It time for the grand deceit that is "the Amiga future" to be put to bed.
Why? Because every single platform you can aim it at already has better alternatives, or will do when it becomes worth investing in. An AmigaOS which only appeals to Amiga fanatics - and let's face facts, that's the only audience an OS without software, investment and developers can reach - isn't going to stand up to serious players. The age of the start-up getting in ahead of the big boys is dead and gone.
Amigans deserve better than a series of lies and broken dreams year in year out, being led by the nose by people who in reality have no respect for those whose faith they demand.
...on second thoughts, maybe they don't. I hear Hyperion supporters going on about "if you don't buy a ticket in the lottery, you can't win", but would you buy a ticket in a lottery that has no intention of holding a draw? It seems Amigans would, as long as the [d]conman[/d] salesman wore the right shade of red or blue.
All the time, money and resources wasted in chasing an impossible pie-dream should have been given to more deserving projects. Keeping old operating systems alive just for the benefit of a tiny fanatical audience has never been and will never be a profitable, rewarding exercise.
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I hate to say it but i sorta agree with you :cry:
But aside from the mainstream there is no reason why amigoid os's cannot thrive! :-)
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humppa wrote:
Helgis? lou dias? Is that you???
:lol:
Oh aren't we a funny bannana?
You can have Wayne chec server logs for unique IP to verify different users...
Anyway, as much as I despise MS, it's a useable PPC platform...
You are also quite blind to the fact that Sony is allowing Linux on the PS3...oh where will you put that bannana now...
People still forget this possibility: carry your OS on a disc and your personal setting/files on a memory card
If, let's say, an AROS Live DVD was ported to Wii, 360 and PS3, I could carry that live DVD to practically anyone's house, boot up the OS and download my email, or write myself a note. It's portable computing without the porting (of hardware). Since all 3 consoles have USB 2.0 sockets, all personalized settings would come from a USB memory stick.
Oh, but then the zealots couldn't post their customized and overpriced hardware configuration in their online signature and wouldn't have something "special" to brag about...
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lou_dias wrote:
humppa wrote:
Helgis? lou dias? Is that you???
:lol:
Oh sren't we a funny bannana?
You can have Wayne chec server logs for unique IP to verify different users...
Anyway, as much as I despise MS, it's a useable PPC platform...
You are also quite blind to the fact that Sony is allowing Linux on the PS3...oh where would I like to put that bannana...
All bow down to the gracious and fair god known as Sony for "allowing" linux to run on their play platform. I expect to see as much interest in the community for linux on the PS3 as we saw for linux on the ps2.
If the PS3 can run linux then by golly, AOS4 must surely be a possibility.
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Um... Maybe your forgetting, but Amiga started it's life as a 'Play' platform.
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Belial6 wrote:
Um... Maybe your forgetting, but Amiga started it's life as a 'Play' platform.
Yeah, the zealots are in denial all the time...
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Honestly, what would be the point into making an OS to x86 if you can have other OSes that have been developed/worked on for much longer?
Because i and others prefer AmigaOS over more resource hungry OSes like Windows, Linux, BSD and so on. Neither of these feel as responsive as AmigaOS even when using a very minimalistic window manager.
Amiga OS is great, and id rather have a real Amiga to use the Amiga OS on. Sure its not fast, but what counts in the end is the feeling that you get knowing you are a handful of Amiga users that are online using the Amiga.
The real Amigas are sadly getting pretty outdated now :( I still use my Amiga for some stuff, but it is still more of a hobby for me now. Getting AmigaOS ported is the next best thing though. The reason i want it for x86, is due to the hardware being readily available and affordable.
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Why? Because every single platform you can aim it at already has better alternatives, or will do when it becomes worth investing in. An AmigaOS which only appeals to Amiga fanatics - and let's face facts, that's the only audience an OS without software, investment and developers can reach - isn't going to stand up to serious players. The age of the start-up getting in ahead of the big boys is dead and gone.
It does not matter so much wether or not it will conquer the world of OSes. What matters is being able to run the OS that we prefer. I can certainly say that alot of people here prefer running AmigaOS over Linux, MacOS, Windows and so on. I dont think that most people have much faith in AmigaOS being able to conquer anything besides the hobby market anytime soon. As for now it is just a hobby platform. I do however believe that the user base could slowly grow over time if we get it onto some affordable and available hardware. The first step is to get some kind of native software base. The problem right now is that we have barely no software devs due to the fact that there is hardly any available hardware. So for now it is mainly targeted at the current amiga community, but who knows what it will be in 20 years providing that it is still being supported.
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I expect to see as much interest in the community for linux on the PS3 as we saw for linux on the ps2.
There is a huge difference... For the ps2 you actually had to buy a expensive kit to be able to run linux. Now you can basically just pop in your favorite linux dvd and press install."if the distro supports ps3"
It still will be limited compared to a pc though, due to Sony implementing restrictions which will stop the OS from having direct access to things like gpu. At least that is what i have understood so far.
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AmigaOS on the PS3/Xbox360/Wii will be about as successful as WindowsCE was on Dreamcast.
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Please Use the Following Template
[ ]Let's port Amiga OS to the SGI Altar!
[ ]Let's port Amiga OS to x86
[ ]Let's port Amiga OS to the Nintendo Wii
[ ]Let's port Amiga OS to the Sega Genasis
[ ]Let's port Amiga OS to the Sun Ultra 5!
[ ]Let's port Amiga OS to the Atari Jaguar
[ ]Let's port Amiga OS to the Cisco 7600 BGR
[ ]Let's port Amiga OS to the HP 48GX
[ ]Let's port Amiga OS to the Dell Poweredge 2850
[ ]Let's port Amiga OS to the 92' Subaru Legacy
[ ]Let's port Amiga OS to the Neo-Geo
Because
[ ]It's cheap and popular
[ ]It's powerfull and unique
[ ]It has an easy instruction set
[ ]It has powerfull development tools
[ ]It's cool, and not like a PC
[ ]It's well suited to a slim, fast multi-tasking OS
[ ]It comes in a purple case
[ ]It has an obsolete OS and needs something modern and usefull
And then in
[ ]20 years
[ ]10 years
[ ]5 years
[ ]2 years
We will have
[ ]A revitalized Amiga community
[ ]A quality alternative to PC/Windows
[ ]A quality Animation / Multi-Media platform that's
( ) easy to use
( ) cheap
( ) stable
[ ]A solid competitor in the Desktop market
[ ]A solid competitor in the Server market
[ ]A really good foot heater
:-P
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Tomas wrote:
I expect to see as much interest in the community for linux on the PS3 as we saw for linux on the ps2.
There is a huge difference... For the ps2 you actually had to buy a expensive kit to be able to run linux. Now you can basically just pop in your favorite linux dvd and press install."if the distro supports ps3"
It still will be limited compared to a pc though, due to Sony implementing restrictions which will stop the OS from having direct access to things like gpu. At least that is what i have understood so far.
Which is great. Linux on the PS3 or any other OS is just like linux on a pc, only with an enemic ammount of ram and no gpu. Awsome. Just what I would expect from sony.
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Excellent template that we should use. Is it possible to make that template official? :-)
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I'm definately keeping it for future refrence.
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There is a place for it in embeded market for PCC eficient OSes but this has been so discussed that I don't know why I'm typing...
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I want it ported on my phone, so I can replace symbianOS.
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lol, no, Symbian rulez...
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there is no z80 based platform in that list :pissed:
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Can we make this one too?
[] Let's visit an Amiga site via a non-Amiga PC and claim you know what someone else wants to run as a hardware platform
[] Bash every idea that is not actual classic hardware and/or software
[] Claim to know why it would never work...cuz you're a closet marketing major and you know what will sell and what won't
[] Claim it can't be done cuz you're a closet C programmer and you know everything and if you don't know or like C you are just a tool despite the fact that you have no public or commercial software of your own to warrant your expert opinion
[] Claim it will never be done, so give it up - cuz that's the easy way out when you want to bash someone to boost your ego.
[] Laugh at people who have actual running consoles at an affordable price while praising overpriced and underpowered vaporware products as the better solution
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there is no z80 based platform in that list
The Genisis (MegaDrive) has a Z80 co-processor.
Now hush.
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Tomas wrote:
It does not matter so much wether or not it will conquer the world of OSes. What matters is being able to run the OS that we prefer.
Sure, but there aren't enough people who feel that way to provide a commercially viable user base. It can't support even the basic expense in developing an OS, never mind providing enough revenue to keep application/games developers in business. I won't even venture into the hardware issue.
I can certainly say that alot of people here prefer running AmigaOS over Linux, MacOS, Windows and so on. I dont think that most people have much faith in AmigaOS being able to conquer anything besides the hobby market anytime soon.
It's not even "the hobby market", because there isn't one. At best, there's maybe a couple of thousand fanatics tops, no more.
As for now it is just a hobby platform. I do however believe that the user base could slowly grow over time if we get it onto some affordable and available hardware.
But why? This is the question no one will answer: why would anyone who isn't one of the fanatics choose to use AmigaOS with its lack of software, resources and numerous limitations? Even Hyperion practically admit that anyone who has a choice would not choose AmigaOS - they have used this as a reason to stay on custom PPC hardware for the last five years.
The first step is to get some kind of native software base. The problem right now is that we have barely no software devs due to the fact that there is hardly any available hardware.
No, there are hardly any software devs because the number of people actively interested in Amigas is now tiny and what you have is splintered between three related but incompatible platforms. If you got new hardware the people buying it would be the same ones who have an AmigaOne now - your dev resources would not magically increase.
So for now it is mainly targeted at the current amiga community, but who knows what it will be in 20 years providing that it is still being supported.
So, another 20 years of pixie-dust, fairy tales and magical mystery hardware that never quite reaches the working prototype stage?
The world moves on - the Amiga scene is stuck in a time warp. It's the resistance to get out of this time warp that has stupefied Amiga development for years. It won't go anywhere - because it can't go anywhere - unless people discard all the stupid principles that are acting as an anchor and holding it fast to the bottom of the pit.
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[ ]Let's port Amiga OS to the 92' Subaru Legacy
:roflmao:
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By having an OS only available to abandoned hardware (classic & A1 lines), you have a ZERO chance of expanding the userbase/market.
By saying something like WINUAE or E-UAE can expand the market, it's a farce as people just use that to play games and really only if they have roms (legally or otherwise). Only current classic owners by "new" classic software to transfer to .adf to run on a faster WinUAE machine... How many casual users are going to pick up a Catweasel? No, it's just current classic hardware owners who want to abandon their slow classic hardware.
By porting to a simple piece of hardware with an installed base in the millions (Wii, 360, eventually PS3), you have a POTENTIAL to grow the platform. Now by platform, I mean new Amiga platform, be it AROS or OS4.
To hell with backwards compatibility. It's a bane and we already have UAE for that. What most people mean is interoperability. To hell with it. Why do I want to run 20 year old applications not designed to take advantage of better hardware. I repeat - we already have UAE. If you want to take advantage of old data, make conversion programs for old data files to open in new modern apps.
Linux has grown (slowly) because it's ported 100% and available for download. Can't do that with anything Amiga so easily. So no potential for growth.
I don't even care what hardware platform a new Amiga is based on. I'll buy it just because it exists. Let me be clear on something else. I don't care because if anyone who was to make such a future OS has a real clue, they would make applications run off an intermediate language that doesn't care about EDIAN-ness or instruction set. Only core hardware drivers and kernal need be compiled... Just have an efficient common runtime interpreter and apps will run on x86, Freescale, PPC, Coldfire. End of freaking "wah this hardware is better" B.S. and just run what you got.
If you want to run an "amiga os" on a 300Mhz Coldfire or 500Mhz Freescale chip, that's your own issue, but atleast it would run...
Now some of you "oh look, another Lou Dias" trolls want to run your mouth. However, since my "ppc real cheap" thread, I have opened up a website to cater to CONSOLE modders and have been making money. There is a huge market for it and business is picking up and I(we) have been profitable for several months now after starting it with a friend just over 10 months ago (though I did it on my own for 4 months prior and profitable). So continue to raid anyone trying to cross those bridges if it gives you true satisfaction in your lives.
PS,
Chilli Unlock Kits for the 360 are now in stock @ www.gameparts.biz
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Let me ammend my message above in saying that HOLLYWOOD 2.0 seems to be the Amiga answer for Amiga-like application cross-compatibility. I need to give this product a serious look right after I build my AROS box (still waiting for native SFS)...
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In order to port it to the 360, it would require some serious hacking, something that the free60 guys have been doing for months now, but still far from a running kernel(or any unsigned code for that matter).
Although the lack of access to the Rsx and the limited 256mb of ram, the Ps3 would be the best bet. I believe MythTV and ffmpeg guys are already working on optimizing their apps and codecs to work with cell's spus, and we should see nice softwares for the ps3 in 07.
Gentoo crowd is also working in a gentoo based distro, for the ps3, that will pack some cool tools for homebrew game developers.
There were some rumors of an opengl port to cell aswell, but I have found nothing so far.