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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Ratte on September 18, 2013, 11:35:17 AM
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a typical german amiga meeting
I think it is the same everywhere, people are sitting around and build there own turbocards, didnt you?
read more ...
http://eab.abime.net/hardware-pics/70779-typical-german-amiga-meeting.html
Workshop cpu-card "Protein" for A500/2000
68000/68010 @ 7 & 14 MHz
8 MB FastMem
Clockport
IDE (A600 compatible)
1020 Dhrystones / A600 factor = 1.92 / SysInfo-rating: Excellent!
(http://www.amiga.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3209&stc=1&d=1379500314)
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botfixers workshop-review (ms-translated from german)
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.a1k.org%2Fforum%2Fshowpost.php%3Fp%3D661963%26postcount%3D441
org. in german
http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?p=661963#post661963
pictures by boingmax & tommysammy
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Now this is why I love the Germans! :)
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1.92 times is a turbo? ;)
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I must admit that board looks so nice and elegant. Piece of art. I like the most that "retro" parts like resistors and large diodes were used :)
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Well that is just amazing! Really... Excellent! :D
Looks like a good old fashion assembly line production, or did each person build their own? Any plans for a faster chip? Any problems closing the case or fitting the keyboard with that verticle SIMM mount? Any speed data on the IDE bus? I suppose I should ask on the original thread, haha. ;)
I'm thrilled to see that the unit will be offered for sale, and it looks like a pretty reasonable price (for an A500-compatible accelerator), as well. Need to get something like this set up over on this side of the pond!
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You know, I see stuff like this and find myself disappointed in Jens. This proves he could have made an internal A500 accelerator, he just chose not to. Nope. He just wanted to make a ridiculously expensive "adapter" for his higher-end A1200 accelerators. Completely lazy, if you ask me. :(
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^^^^ This. I am a huge fan of many of his other products, but that A500 adapter seems very ill-conceived. :(
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You know, I see stuff like this and find myself disappointed in Jens. This proves he could have made an internal A500 accelerator, he just chose not to. Nope. He just wanted to make a ridiculously expensive "adapter" for his higher-end A1200 accelerators. Completely lazy, if you ask me. :(
There are already several internal accelerators for an A500 but only one external (the rare GVP 530), so a new external accelerator is a good choice in my opinion.
This protein board looks nice and indeed the big resistors are definitly A500 spirit.
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At the meeting, we had 20 participants and the aim was to familiarize themselves with the soldering and electronics. The card was only the incidental result of our efforts. Each participant has assembled his own card. The components were chosen extra so that beginners could solder the card. Then, the code of the CPLDs was discussed, as well as programming software and hardware.
afaik everything will be released as opensource
costs for pcb and parts: arround 60 € + some time for soldering
btw. pcb design is done by a 15 year old a1k-member
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Interesting card.
Classic owners/users are getting a few choices in recent times, which is great, and also shows there's reasonable interest in the platform.
In regards to the Individual Computers stuff, history seems to suggest that theyre more a business than enthusiasts. Not really a criticism as its provided people with new gear, but Im loving the fact that genuine fans/users with skills and knowledge are now also getting involved and offering other options (without money being the prominent interest).
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There are already several internal accelerators for an A500 but only one external (the rare GVP 530), so a new external accelerator is a good choice in my opinion.
This protein board looks nice and indeed the big resistors are definitly A500 spirit.
This is the most asinine thing I've seen on here. There's not "several" accelerators for the A500. There's *NONE*. You can't buy one, except second-hand (and that's assuming you can actually *FIND* one for sale.) All of the "new" A500 accelerators are currently in progress. The Zeus isn't ready. The ACA500 isn't ready. The Vampire isn't ready. So tell me, where are these "several internal accelerators" you seem to know about?
:rolleyes:
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In regards to the Individual Computers stuff, history seems to suggest that theyre more a business than enthusiasts.
And yet, when told what people wanted, he chose to ignore it, instead making an external one that allows you to plug in one of his fancy-lad A1200 accelerators. Let's do the math here:
ACA500 - 100$
ACA1200 - 150$
So, I'm stuck paying 100$ for an underwhelming accelerator, plus another 150$ for one that's MORE than adequate? He's even admitted that blizzards and what not don't work with his adapter card (and why would he make them, as that takes away from his revenue?) It doesn't even come with a case, meaning you'll have to pay, yet again, to get one, 'cos who in their right mind would have an exposed electronic hanging from an already 25 year old machine? That's just asking for trouble.
Fact is, it's absolutely lazy on his part. He could have redesigned a new accelerator, that had an 030 with 128mb of ram for the A500, but he chose not to. His excuse was simply there's "no market for it", but there's evidently a market for him to sell *TWO* accelerators to an A500 user, like myself, that wants a little oomph for his A500. Of course he makes a substandard accelerator-adapter hybrid for the A500. He makes TWICE the money.
It's not rocket science.....
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Exactly, as I said, more of a business than enthusiasts.
It's not exactly new behaviour for them. Catweasel pretty much rely on 3rd party drivers, and features for things like Indivision didnt happen, instead people had to buy the new model to hope for what they mightve bought the original for.
When you have close to a monopoloy you can get away with this sort of behaviour, which is why Im glad there's becoming alternatives by enthusiasts.
There's definately talent and Individual Computers, and theyve had some decent products, but in light of alternatives hopefully they'll rethink their "stratergies".
Having said this though, surely by now the old saying, "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" applies.
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There is nothing wrong with running a business!
They also tend to be a bit more serious than "just" running things as a hobby.
Besides that, there is nothing wrong in charging what ever amount, is necessary, to at least cover the development costs.
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I never said there was, and in fact said it was good they were around.
Much like any business though people will form opinions based on practices.
In the face of competition shortfalls might be worked on, which is great for the consumer.
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soldering orgy in a restaurant? na, they sure need to check the tables afer.
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This new Protein accelerator will works on the CDTV ?
:)
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This new Protein accelerator will works on the CDTV ?
a) "on" would be the right descrition giving the height of this card and lack of space in the CDTV
b) AFAIK noone has tried yet.
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Id love to have that card for my A500 :D Why don't we have meating like that where I live :( On our Amiga gatherings people drink beer and do demos ^^ (not even Amiga exclusive anymore people do Sega genesis demos etc).
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A group-PCB-buy is planed ?