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Three OS 4.0 questions
« on: January 15, 2007, 01:30:41 PM »
Hi
I have three questions:

1-I have an USB controller with six bottons and a CD32 controller
too.How may I configure AmigaInput Prefs to use this pads?

2-I downloaded and installed Quake III Urban Terror,point release
1.32 and Quake III don't work.How can I run Quake III on my
system and what files I need?

3-Is it easy to install Debian Linux from Internet? How can I
install it with OS 4.0 intalled at the beginning of the HD?
Amiga 500 1 MB
Amiga 1300,Blizzard 030/50 Mhz,32 MB RAM,etc...
(on repair)
CD 32
Amiga One PPC G3 800 Mhz,Seagate HD 200 GB,NEC DVD-RW,LG DVD-ROM,256 MB RAM,PixelView TV Card,Soundblaster 128,ATI Radeon 7000 64 MB,X-Arcade double for xMAME,OS 4.0  ...
 

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Re: Three OS 4.0 questions
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2007, 04:39:35 PM »
1. You can't at the moment. AmigaInput didn't get its bugs corrected in time for the last update, so it was pulled. It'll be supposedly be reintroduced in a BoingBag. It *might* work if you copy the files from an Update4 installation. Just use the Prefs tool to configure the buttons.

2. Not sure. I've never had Quake3 running well on OS4. Try falling back to the plain game (no mods). Unlike the original Quake, Quake 2 mods actually have to be compiled for the CPU architecture they're running on. Quake 3 is probably the same, and I highly doubt there's an AmigaPPC build of whatever you're trying to run.

3. It's hard, but doable. You need some free space to set up a main partition and a swap partition. Basically, the old existing install guide is valid up to the point where the installer asks you to "make system bootable". Instead, switch to another console and download a current kernel and modules from amiga.sourceforge.net. You'll also have to update your apt sources list to point to the current distribution. IntuitionBase has some more detailed guides on this subject.
 

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Re: Three OS 4.0 questions
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2007, 04:42:13 PM »
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Quake 3 is probably the same, and I highly doubt there's an AmigaPPC build of whatever you're trying to run.

Quake 3 mods are platform independent.
 

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Re: Three OS 4.0 questions
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2007, 04:46:30 PM »
Really? Was not aware of that... Elite Force, which used the Quake 3 engine, still required CPU compiles of mods. Never played the original Quake 3 on PC.
 

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Re: Three OS 4.0 questions
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2007, 04:48:34 PM »
At least Urban Terror works OOTB.
 

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Re: Three OS 4.0 questions
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2007, 06:54:28 PM »
The OS4 version of Quake 3 needs an updated OpenGL driver to work correctly since MiniGL isn't up to the task.  I think there are problems with mirrors not working correctly.
 

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Re: Three OS 4.0 questions
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2007, 07:01:49 PM »
I have OS 4.0 update 4 not the final update.

As for the Linux question, can I install it at the end of
my HD ? I'm also thinking to go to Intuition Base.

So can I configure the AmigaInput prefs on Update 4?

And for Quake III what are the files or requeriments to
run it?

Thanks for all of you.
Amiga 500 1 MB
Amiga 1300,Blizzard 030/50 Mhz,32 MB RAM,etc...
(on repair)
CD 32
Amiga One PPC G3 800 Mhz,Seagate HD 200 GB,NEC DVD-RW,LG DVD-ROM,256 MB RAM,PixelView TV Card,Soundblaster 128,ATI Radeon 7000 64 MB,X-Arcade double for xMAME,OS 4.0  ...
 

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Re: Three OS 4.0 questions
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2007, 09:28:10 PM »
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3-Is it easy to install Debian Linux from Internet? How can I  install it with OS 4.0 intalled at the beginning of the HD?


I tried to install it three days ago and some how, the grub boot loader screwed up my MBR, disallowing me to boot any of my OSs. Between Norton, Partition Magic and my faint remembrance of DOS commands, I managed to get my system back after a solid afternoon of work....
Not again for me!
 

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Re: Three OS 4.0 questions
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 12:51:10 AM »
@Piru:

You are partially correct that Q3 engine mods are platform independent :)

John Carmack did add a bytecode engine so that that they CAN be platform independent, BUT as far as I recall he still allows for binary/compiled mods (for performance reasons), so even though Q3 comes with the byte-code version of the game code, other mods might not (I assume this is the case for many of the Q3 based games such as Call of Duty, etc, but have not valided this myself). So this will suck for Amigans, until Jens and friends give us an x86 slot on their future accelerator cards (I know, not easy) or the said games become open source, a la id Software and John Carmack style (kudos to these guys!)

Cheers

@Ivanhoe/Wirzardo/etc:

You might want to look at the LILO boot loader and the "32bit LBA" option if you want to install past the first 2GB? (I think that was the limit) of the hard drive. I believe Grub also has a similar option, but don't believe me on that, search for it. The point is, if you install Linux and the boot loader can't boot it, using a floppy or CDROM to load the kernel and passing it the right root filesystem WILL boot the OS no matter what, because the kernel does not rely on the piece of {bleep} BIOS for sector/address calculations/translations, therefore doesn't have the old limits problem (it actually uses the IDE drivers to directly talk to the IDE interface and to geometry translation). In the worst case, just install on a separate hard drive.

Good luck!
 

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Re: Three OS 4.0 questions
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 07:16:36 PM »
Quake III I think is not opensource yet.Maybe in the future...
For the Linux explanation all right,it's complicate for me but should be useful
anyway and I previously have to register Frying Pan to
backup some parts of my Hard Disk and the author doesn't
ask to my e-mails...After this I can do it but knowing what
am I doing,not going to the adventure and loosing all.

All I wanna know is the basic steps after backing up my HD:
what OS to install first Linux as I think or Workbench 4.0,how
to install this,what is the recommend space for both OSes,
etc...

Last question: What about AmigaInput usage on Update 4 and
what is the LILO bootloader?

Thank you all.
Amiga 500 1 MB
Amiga 1300,Blizzard 030/50 Mhz,32 MB RAM,etc...
(on repair)
CD 32
Amiga One PPC G3 800 Mhz,Seagate HD 200 GB,NEC DVD-RW,LG DVD-ROM,256 MB RAM,PixelView TV Card,Soundblaster 128,ATI Radeon 7000 64 MB,X-Arcade double for xMAME,OS 4.0  ...