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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2009, 12:51:26 AM »
I don't have an iPhone I have a business supplied BB. But I have used an iPhone and have a friend who has one.  I also have access to internal IT business forums where a lot of early iPhone adopters have found cost and security(loss of desirable devices) to be the major issues.
Some people even blame the economic downturn on the cost of the iPhone for businesses. A joke, to be sure.

IMO whatever way you look at it iPhone = higher cost and risk for a business where as BB = covers both those business critical controls.

iPhone = cool, doesnt rate when it comes to a business objective. The security, relability and accessability of the key communications functionality are the core KPIs for any business pda/convergence device.
BTW: The trackball on the BB fails the last two requirements.  You've really gotta keep your thum clean..

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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2009, 08:40:12 AM »
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I don't have an iPhone I have a business supplied BB. But I have used an iPhone and have a friend who has one.  I also have access to internal IT business forums where a lot of early iPhone adopters have found cost and security(loss of desirable devices) to be the major issues.
Some people even blame the economic downturn on the cost of the iPhone for businesses. A joke, to be sure.

IMO whatever way you look at it iPhone = higher cost and risk for a business where as BB = covers both those business critical controls.

iPhone = cool, doesnt rate when it comes to a business objective. The security, relability and accessability of the key communications functionality are the core KPIs for any business pda/convergence device.
BTW: The trackball on the BB fails the last two requirements.  You've really gotta keep your thum clean..

Gertsy


I would be keen to know the data you used to draw this conclusion... OS1 of the iPhone did lack security and connectivity, but then it was a consumer OS, the first iPhone was not for business...

But we are now on OS3.1, which has an encrypted file system, access rights, controls, full exchange support with Push and remote wipe/lock down...

You can argue the iPhone is more expensive, of course it is more expensive than some aged BB... but security and connectivity are well supported features of the current iPhone.

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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2009, 08:45:58 AM »
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Yes, they forget all ppc users using osx too but if m$ make it is bad, if apple make it is "different", i dont understand its the same, no?


Apple haven't sold PPC computers for over 3 years now... The iPhone never existed at the time when they did sell them.

M$ have a whole lot more than just "forcing developers to use a specific platform" to answer for.

Apple are not the greatest company in the world, but they create products that work and perform very well. And probably most amazing of all, Apple have somehow managed to survive in a world with M$... Think of all the other 80's computer companies that didn't....

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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2009, 10:12:58 AM »
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I would be keen to know the data you used to draw this conclusion... OS1 of the iPhone did lack security and connectivity, but then it was a consumer OS, the first iPhone was not for business...

But we are now on OS3.1, which has an encrypted file system, access rights, controls, full exchange support with Push and remote wipe/lock down...

You can argue the iPhone is more expensive, of course it is more expensive than some aged BB... but security and connectivity are well supported features of the current iPhone.


I was refering to the device security/desirability for theft.
Having said that, having an internet enabled device that connects directly to corporate email via the same medium is a security risk in the areas of data security in relation to email forwarding from the device, inappropriate content distribution from the device to corporate, and exposure to browser based MITM attacks.
This is not a risk relative to iPhone alone.

But,, (with baiting smile) The iPhone battery "just" lasts a day of good usage and the phone has that "You need to make an important call so I will freeze now" chip in it.

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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2009, 12:03:05 PM »
I have a BB Storm and it is a pile of shit.
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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2009, 12:41:57 PM »
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But,, (with baiting smile) The iPhone battery "just" lasts a day of good usage and the phone has that "You need to make an important call so I will freeze now" chip in it.

Cheers

Gertsy.


That's not a bug!!! That's a feature, you pay extra for that, whether you want it or not :)

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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2009, 02:39:19 PM »
Got my 3GS 32 GB phone, seems they had some in stock in one of their stores in Sydney. Compared to the old 2G phones this thing is a work of art.  The GPS could use an external antenna, but with the tower assist it seems to get my general location correct.  The integration between hardware and software is just magnificent. Things just work.  

I jailbroke it of course, inspite of Apple's 27/7/09 email that says we risk bringing on the apocalypse if we do.  Hmmm, I hear horses, sounds like four of them....  Anyway, the view into the system through SSH or Fugu is instructive, they've modified OS X a bit and some things just aren't there, sudo, for example.  It appears that the iPhone is running everything as root, which might explain why they locked it in the first place.

One thing I don't like is when I loaded some free apps on it and then tried to sync those apps to another computer it deleted them.  And the first computer I sync'ed it to had American dates set up and it changed the whole system to American, backwards dates, spaces in the wrong place in phone numbers, etc.  And there doesn't appear to be a full system preferences in the phone.  Changing the computer to Oz settings and resync'ing fixed it.

After the horrors of Windows Mobile (I had a 16 GB sim card in an HTC Kaiser) and it's constant running out of system memory (no one needs more that 128 Meg of system ram), this phone is a joy to use.  

The iPhone does monitor data so I just need to reset the counter every month, but I doubt I'll use 5 GB.  The other thing I notice is that when the phone drops into 2G the browser is horribly slow, it's almost like being on dialup!

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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2009, 02:59:32 PM »
I warn you that push support doesn't work properly when the phone is jailbroken... And push support is vital since background tasks aren't allowed :)

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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2009, 07:34:45 PM »
Like somebody earlier in this thread, I am a huge fan of the HTC Raphael (in the US known as the HTC Fuze or the HTC Touch Pro)
It is garbage out of the box from AT&T - you have to crack it, install new firmware (EnergyROM) install a new front end (Fuzeberry) and you still have to put up with HTC's trademark slowdowns.
I don't expect most people to have the tolerance for all of this and I got my Fuze from a guy who forced AT&T to give him an iPhone after suffering the stock Fuze for a few weeks.

But I must say – the battery life is fair. The feel of the phone in the hand is good. The screen is the best I’ve ever used on any mobile device ever. The camera is still a cell phone camera but is the best I’ve used in a cell. The sliding keyboard had a great sliding action and typing feel.  All the radios work as advertised (wifi, Bluetooth, FM, GPS, 3G.)  Push integration with outlook works great.  The composite video/audio output is a nice touch.
 

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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2009, 09:59:56 PM »
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..... phone has that "You need to make an important call so I will freeze now" chip in it.

Funny you mention that. My blackberry 8820 must have the same chip in it. It becomes unusable at the most inopportune moments.:(

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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2009, 10:18:04 PM »
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Apple haven't sold PPC computers for over 3 years now... The iPhone never existed at the time when they did sell them.

M$ have a whole lot more than just "forcing developers to use a specific platform" to answer for.

Apple are not the greatest company in the world, but they create products that work and perform very well. And probably most amazing of all, Apple have somehow managed to survive in a world with M$... Think of all the other 80's computer companies that didn't....


Yes but for make aplications you only need some software for create, windows, linux or osx, user need the coice not companies.

Apple resist in a m$ world with own style, but apple is more of english speaking countries, usa, uk maybe australia... in europe i dont see too much iphones.
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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2009, 10:43:31 PM »
Alot of my coworkers in Amsterdam drink the Iphone Koolaid. I myself have been impressed with Symbian and I'm looking at Android stuff with growing interest.

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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2009, 11:03:39 PM »
Multitasking?  There's an app for that!

http://code.google.com/p/iphone-backgrounder/wiki/Documentation

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I warn you that push support doesn't work properly when the phone is jailbroken... And push support is vital since background tasks aren't allowed :)
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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2009, 11:52:22 PM »
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Multitasking?  There's an app for that!

http://code.google.com/p/iphone-backgrounder/wiki/Documentation


Hahaha, I forgot that you can multitask if you jail break it :D

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Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
« Reply #59 on: August 14, 2009, 01:44:00 AM »
Iphone can be attractive and full of eye candy, but sincerely... an ipod touch + chinesse quality phone cant be a business phone
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