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Title: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: Trev on August 05, 2009, 07:32:57 PM
The office just replaced my aging cell phone and pager combination with a BlackBerry 8830 World Edition. It's much restricted by our IT department (and rightly so), but apart from the useful alert filtering, it's obviously inferior to the iPhone. The keyboard is a bit easier to use, although typing non-alpha keys with one hand is impossible. The web browser is grounded firmly in the last century, and the map feature is useless unless you already know where you are, where you're going, and how to get there. Plus, the warm, friendly screen-based buttons become a lot less friendly when you realize there's no touch screen. Stupid trackball thingy. Unfortunately, our firm doesn't support the latest BlackBerry models.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: bloodline on August 05, 2009, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: Trev;518117
The web browser is grounded firmly in the last century, and the map feature is useless unless you already know where you are, where you're going, and how to get there.


:lol:
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: kickstart on August 05, 2009, 09:36:36 PM
Counting that everything is lees than iphone (i dont think so) battery life on the iphone is not good, you can se many reviews on the internet and you cant use batteries because iphones battery is not changeable (really crap).
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: basman74 on August 05, 2009, 11:35:23 PM
As an Iphone user, I would have to agree with kickstart on the battery life issue - my Iphone 3G can only run in standby for like about 36-48hrs absolute max before it needs a top-up. Just for comparison, my old (circa 2001) nokia 6210 gave me at least double that (or probably more) consistently for about eight years. Apparently the newer 'S' version is about 25% better in this regard..

The only other negative thing I have also noticed with my iphone - occasionally (on the order of once per week), it throws the odd' wobbly i.e. application crash or phone crashes when one attempts to make a call.

Comparing this with my old Nokia, I cannot even recall ONE event where an application hung (even on WAP browsing, which was a good exercise in frustration..).

Of course, all the above may be due to (alot) more stuff going on 'under the hood' (in the case of the iphone :) ) I will see if a firmware update (from v2.2.1 to v3) will help
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: Trev on August 05, 2009, 11:51:55 PM
I agree that the iPhone isn't the best "phone," particularly with AT&T. I've also noticed quite a bit of keyboard latency since the 3.0 upgrade on my 3G, and I can no longer kill misbehaving (or memory hungry) but responsive applications by holding the button for 6+ seconds.

One more blast against the BlackBerry: It's designed for right-handed people. I'm left-handed, so none of the modifier and digit keys are conveniently positioned, and it's a little painful to dial. (I'm tall. I have long fingers.)
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: Tension on August 06, 2009, 12:21:23 AM
Quote from: kickstart;518139
Counting that everything is lees than iphone (i dont think so) battery life on the iphone is not good, you can se many reviews on the internet and you cant use batteries because iphones battery is not changeable (really crap).


Plus they explode

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/264721/exploding-ipod-owner-hit-with-apple-gagging-order.html

well... iPod... same thing...
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: kickstart on August 06, 2009, 12:40:03 AM
Some years ago Nokia have a problem with some pirate batteries exploding away, since these days you can identify batteries as true on the nokia website. I think apple use the cheapset batteries on the true-high-technology iphone.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: tone007 on August 06, 2009, 01:57:15 AM
If I had to choose between the two, I'd go with iPhone because Blackberry is crap.

Luckily, though, there are other choices, and I've chosen the HTC P4600 (AT&T Fuze in the US.)  640x480 resolution on a 3" screen is pretty incredible.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: persia on August 06, 2009, 02:36:06 AM
I've tried to like WIndows Mobile, really I have, I've loaded apps, I've tried Today enhancers Manila, Pointui, Wisbar, SBP Mobile shell, Touch shell, but they're all a bit crap because Windows Mobile is still beneath it all.  The apps are sub par, they crash the phone, I constantly run out of internal memory in spite of having 10 GB free on the SD card.  And it's slow.  

Quote from: tone007;518187
If I had to choose between the two, I'd go with iPhone because Blackberry is crap.

Luckily, though, there are other choices, and I've chosen the HTC P4600 (AT&T Fuze in the US.)  640x480 resolution on a 3" screen is pretty incredible.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: csixty4 on August 06, 2009, 02:42:07 AM
Does your IT department allow you to install software on the Blackberry? Download Opera Mini (http://www.opera.com/mini/) or Bolt (http://boltbrowser.com/) for a more modern experience.

For maps, get the  Google Maps app for Blackberry (http://www.google.com/mobile/products/maps.html#p=blackberry).
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: persia on August 06, 2009, 02:45:17 AM
I'm on Vodaphone right now with my iPhone but looking to upgrade a 3GS and just comparing Three, Telstra and Optus with what Vodaphone gives.  It's a hard choice...
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: persia on August 06, 2009, 02:46:47 AM
I've tried to like WIndows Mobile, really I have, I've loaded apps, I've tried Today enhancers Manila, Pointui, Wisbar, SBP Mobile shell, Touch shell, but they're all a bit crap because Windows Mobile is still beneath it all.  The apps are sub par, they crash the phone, I constantly run out of internal memory in spite of having 10 GB free on the SD card.  And it's slow.  

Quote from: tone007;518187
If I had to choose between the two, I'd go with iPhone because Blackberry is crap.

Luckily, though, there are other choices, and I've chosen the HTC P4600 (AT&T Fuze in the US.)  640x480 resolution on a 3" screen is pretty incredible.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: Trev on August 06, 2009, 02:59:08 AM
@csixty4

No, only authorized applications. I'm in IT as well, and I suppose I could ask the relevant administrators for a few extra features, but I really just need it for email and calendar access.

@persia

If only we could easily choose new carriers in the US. Phone services here are quite a racket.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: slayer on August 06, 2009, 04:12:41 AM
Well, I just got my replacement new BlackBerry today its an even older model... 8310 I believe... I had the other for 16 months and the trackball would stick going upwards until one day early this week it packed a complete SAD... lol

But hey, brand new BB at not cost and updated firmware by the looks of it...

I like my BB and all I do with it is Call and txt with it... and the charge lasts more than a week...

Nothing wrong with them...
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: bloodline on August 06, 2009, 07:27:51 AM
Quote from: kickstart;518172
Some years ago Nokia have a problem with some pirate batteries exploding away, since these days you can identify batteries as true on the nokia website. I think apple use the cheapset batteries on the true-high-technology iphone.


Well, you can stop right now with the FUD! The battery life on the iPhone is it's weakest point, but it's no worse than any device that combines the functions of a Phone, iPod, Portable Games Console, Media Player and PDA...
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: Trev on August 06, 2009, 07:34:13 AM
I hate to knock my iPhone again, but I get amazing battery life out if my Nintendo DSi. The iPhone doesn't even last a day on standby....
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: bloodline on August 06, 2009, 09:47:29 AM
Quote from: Trev;518219
I hate to knock my iPhone again, but I get amazing battery life out if my Nintendo DSi. The iPhone doesn't even last a day on standby....


I was in Slovakia earlier this year, not wishing to pay Data roaming charges I switched the Data connection off on my iPhone... Using it as a normal phone, media player and game console I got 3 days out of it. I had forgotten my charger so that was lucky!

But you will find it is the data connection that sucks the power!
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: marvinpa on August 06, 2009, 11:18:36 AM
Ive recently discovered with my iPhone that by turning off 3G (no coverage here!) and Location Services, battery life is much better.

To force quit applications under version 3.0 the procedure has changed.
Hold the Power Button in until Slide To Power Off appears.
Then hold the Home button in till the App quits.

Hope this is of help.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: kickstart on August 06, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
@marvinpa

If you turning off 3G in any phone battery life is better not only on the iphone.

@bloodline

Sorry if you dont like this but i only read/hear too many good things about iphone from apple fanboys and this is not the reality. I talk about iphone like a pda + phone, no games console or something. Just talking about phones dont take ir serious.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: bloodline on August 06, 2009, 06:57:36 PM
Quote from: kickstart;518267
@marvinpa

If you turning off 3G in any phone battery life is better not only on the iphone.

@bloodline

Sorry if you dont like this but i only read/hear too many good things about iphone from apple fanboys and this is not the reality. I talk about iphone like a pda + phone, no games console or something. Just talking about phones dont take ir serious.


I would be happy to discuss the matter with you, but you've never used an iPhone... So there is little you can say on the topic. Just as I can't talk about the Palm Pre, since I have never used one, for example.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: kickstart on August 06, 2009, 08:45:58 PM
Yes i dont have iphone... but for talking about battery issues dont need to own iphone, this issues are public, maybe your sentence at your sign is wrong, theres so much people not using and not interested on iphone.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: bloodline on August 06, 2009, 09:29:28 PM
Quote from: kickstart;518293
Yes i dont have iphone... but for talking about battery issues dont need to own iphone, this issues are public, maybe your sentence at your sign is wrong, theres so much people not using and not interested on iphone.


My sig is a joke.

Anyway, I have not once claimed the iPhone battery is any special... It really isn't. But it is no worse than any other device.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: kickstart on August 07, 2009, 06:08:15 AM
Sorry but is worse, i dont know the capacity on mah but compared with psp, nds, and  many more gadgets its worse (all in best charge conditions).
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: GadgetMaster on August 07, 2009, 05:22:03 PM
I've owned a blackberry 8820 for over 16 months now and I'm sick of it. It's been slow, it's GPS is crap and it keeps crashing or slowing down so much it becomes unusable until you remove the battery to reboot it which takes forever.

The only good thing is their Push Email service and the full querty keyboard.

It's the last blackberry I'm buying unless they come up with something amazing.

I just bought an iphone 3G off ebay. I don't want to sign up for another 18 months contract just yet so I'm going to be going on PAYG.

It's an amazing piece of kit. Iv'e never liked Apple stuff before so I am not a fan boy and I did think the iphone was all hype but after using it and playing Monkey Island SE on it amongst othe Amiga games I am well impressed.

It's the best gadget I've ever owned despite its minor flaws.

I got mine unlocked because I don't like O2 becvause their coverage sucks in my area and also they have made billing errors on our work mobile contracts.

I don't care what anyone says the iphone redefined the mobile phone so credit to Apple. With OS3 it's usability is is much improved.

Comparing blackberry with iphone? No competition. iPhone wins straight off.

Trust me, that's coming from someone who owns both.

As for all the detractors. We know you want one really ;)

Who'd have thought eh? Now that the red v blue wars are finally over we are arguing over iphones and blackberries on Amiga org. :roflmao:
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: GadgetMaster on August 07, 2009, 05:22:52 PM
Quote from: kickstart;518357
Sorry but is worse, i dont know the capacity on mah but compared with psp, nds, and  many more gadgets its worse (all in best charge conditions).


So?  

That's my problem not yours. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: GadgetMaster on August 07, 2009, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: bloodline;518275
I would be happy to discuss the matter with you, but you've never used an iPhone... So there is little you can say on the topic. Just as I can't talk about the Palm Pre, since I have never used one, for example.


Spot on!

Untill buying one I didn't know what all the fuss  was about.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: amigadave on August 07, 2009, 05:50:00 PM
I will probably get ridiculed by the iPhone and Blackberry users for admitting that I like my LG Voyager (discontinued now) through Verizon Wireless, but I like the full qwerty keyboard when I flip it open, the screen size inside and also the larger outside touchscreen display and best of all, the VCast TV that I can watch while waiting in the lobby of the doctor's office, or at the airport, or where ever I have to wait for some time.  The extended battery I found gives me 1-1/2 to 3 days of standby use and a few calls per charge.  

I even dropped it into my swimming pool while it was turned on and fished it out 10 minutes later and thought it was ruined, but I just filpped it open, removed the battery and set it in the oven on the warm setting (150 to 180 degrees Farenheit) for about 20 to 30 minutes and then put in on the charger and it turned on and worked.  The battery was ruined, hence my purchase of the extented life battery, but I am pretty happy with my 9 months of use with the LG Voyager and wonder why they discontinued it as I don't see an equal replacement from LG in the Verizon store.

I have thought about giving my LG Voyager to my Son, as his phone is dying fast, and getting an iPhone for myself, as I use a MacBook and would like to be able to sync my calendar and contacts, but question the cost and having two different wireless phone company bills.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: AmigaHeretic on August 07, 2009, 06:11:49 PM
Quote from: GadgetMaster;518403
So?  

That's my problem not yours. :rolleyes:



Everyone has to argue around here it seems.

I think he was merely posting "On Topic".  He was posting that it is a well known fact, search the internet, that the iPhone battery is not that great.  

So maybe that is one of several reasons the original poster's company went with Blackberry.

Geez, just because we love our little electronic toys doesn't mean we need to be rude to each other.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: StormLord on August 07, 2009, 06:49:33 PM
Just my 2 cents on this topic.

I have an iphone 3G for about 2 months now.
At first I was sick about the short battery life. I had to charge it every night.
BUT, then I realized that I was playing with that toy with games and internet more than 4-5 hours a day.
Games are killing the battery quick, wireless almost as quick as games, having both of them  in action does drink the battery as a V12 ferrari drinks the gasoline, location services also spend a lot of cpu cycles for unknown(to me) reason with the result of giving the battery another hit.

now that my enthusiasm have calm down and my usage also, iphone gets about 3-4 days without a charge, and thats with half an hour internet, another 15-20 minutes of gaming, and normal usage calls per day (about 30 minutes).

that made me think exactly the opposite of what I first thought. battery for such a SMALL device with all these candies is just amazing. I would get about 3 days from my motorola with GREEN small screen(just calls), the same from my ericsson P990i, that is more than  double the size of iphone, and way less powerful.
I even discovered how apple can have such a BIG battery life from that miniature PDA-phone. there is a sensor near earphone that detects if the phone is in your ear and turn off the display and turn on again as iphone gets away from your head, also the same sensor detect ambient light and if you are in a dark place  screen brightness reduces.
BUT never forget bluetooth,wireless, location services enabled, because no matter electronics are state of the art as it comes to energy consumption, battery is REALY SMALL for that kind of circuits.
Every time you wake up your phone, wireless will check for known networks, at the same time bluetooth will search for paired/known devices, location services will get signal from satellite to know your position. EVERY TIME that your device wakes up!!! no matter you want to use it only as a phone or a calculator.
Also when you are using the iphone, that actions happens every 15 minutes if the services are enabled. So TURN OFF them whenever you don't use these services, and battery life will amaze you! (considering the size of the device ofcourse!)
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: kickstart on August 07, 2009, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: GadgetMaster;518403
So?  

That's my problem not yours. :rolleyes:


Well you called it a problem not me but dot take it personally.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: GadgetMaster on August 08, 2009, 12:19:54 AM
Quote from: kickstart;518446
Well you called it a problem not me but dot take it personally.

Not personal at all. ;)

It is a problem but one I am willing to live with. Each device has its compromises.

It works better than my blackberry so I'm happy.

Sorry if I came across as rude.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: Trev on August 08, 2009, 02:43:13 AM
Quote from: AmigaHeretic;518409
So maybe that is one of several reasons the original poster's company went with Blackberry.


Like most companies, they went with the BlackBerry because it's a de facto standard in corporate messaging environments. In industries with strict controls--finance, medicine, etc.--manageability and security trump everything else. (Nothing's perfect, of course, but....)

Apple markets itself as anti-corporate (in the cool, hip sense) and doesn't do much to make their gear play well in enterprise environments.

Regarding batteries, I'm sure Apple understands exactly how their choice of battery impacts their bottom line, up to and including loss of reputation due to failures. They're not amateurs.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: persia on August 10, 2009, 02:43:02 PM
Good Lord this is complicated.  I'm about 97.6374% convinced that I'll go with Virgin $100 a month gets me 5 GB of data + $20 for the phone (32 GB 3GS).  Anyone have experience with Virgin Australia's coverage?
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: amigadave on August 10, 2009, 03:03:38 PM
Made the jump to the iPhone yesterday and gave my LG Voyager to my Son for part of his birthday present this morning.  Now to learn how to use this iPhone!
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: AmiGR on August 10, 2009, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: Trev;518219
I hate to knock my iPhone again, but I get amazing battery life out if my Nintendo DSi. The iPhone doesn't even last a day on standby....


I saw a significant drop in battery life since OS3. On the other hand, I've also found that disabling WiFi and 3G increases the stand-by time quite a lot. I went on holiday to the Alps, was listening to music on the way down to London (a good 3 hours) and then only used the phone for calls after that with very occasional WiFi use in McD's, maybe once every a day. It lasted 5 days without a charge. Am I satisfied? Not particularly, I would want a better battery life when I actually use it as a smart phone but this means that if you use it as a phone you can actually get quite good times. And it also means that it's no worse than my P990i that used about as much battery to do less.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: AmiGR on August 10, 2009, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: kickstart;518357
Sorry but is worse, i dont know the capacity on mah but compared with psp, nds, and  many more gadgets its worse (all in best charge conditions).


Well, I do. It's a 3.7V battery providing 1150mAh. The Sony Ericsson P990 comes with a BST-33 950mAh battery and the DSi comes with a TWL-003 850mAh. What that means is that the iPhone just uses more power, not that its battery is smaller, it isn't. Scanning for 3G uses battery, GPS uses battery, WiFi and Bluetooth use battery, the CPU for all of the above, etc. Disable those features when not needed and the battery life is quite OK. I will admit that it still is not perfect but as I said in my previous reply, I've managed to get 5 days out of it and I usually get 2-3 with normal usage. If I play a lot of games and browse the web on 3G all day it does drain the battery quickly, it'll last just over a day.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: persia on August 10, 2009, 03:48:57 PM
Ok, I'm going with Virgin, I'll be getting a shiny new white 32GB 3GS as soon as the boat carrying the precious cargo of live iPhones arrives from China!  5 GBs should be enough, but at two bucks a meg(!) overage, I gotta find an app that cuts all internet when the magic number of 5 Gb is reached!
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: Jose on August 10, 2009, 03:57:59 PM
Do you still have to have an x86 Mac to develop for the iPhone ? I thought that was stupid... Other than that, I normally don't care much about these kinds of devices, they're too small and cumbersome to use as a computer, with which I already spend too much time with..
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: kickstart on August 10, 2009, 09:09:11 PM
Quote from: Jose;518726
Do you still have to have an x86 Mac to develop for the iPhone ? I thought that was stupid... Other than that, I normally don't care much about these kinds of devices, they're too small and cumbersome to use as a computer, with which I already spend too much time with..


Need a x86 mac (PC) to develop for iphone? windows or liux is not allowed? apple and his things, reality of apple is like that episode of the simpsons.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: persia on August 10, 2009, 09:21:22 PM
You need an MS Windows computer to develop for Windows Mobile, that and a lot of panadol.  Horrible things they are.  

It OS X on the iPhone, simplified, but still OS X.  THe file structure is slightly different, but there are symbolic links where you'd expect to find the folders.  I forget where Applications was, but there was a link in root, so it didn't matter.

Quote from: kickstart;518754
Need a x86 mac (PC) to develop for iphone? windows or liux is not allowed? apple and his things, reality of apple is like that episode of the simpsons.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: Jose on August 10, 2009, 10:24:56 PM
@persia

It's OSX but they could've made things a little easier for developers with PPC Macs.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: kickstart on August 10, 2009, 10:42:37 PM
Yes, they forget all ppc users using osx too but if m$ make it is bad, if apple make it is "different", i dont understand its the same, no?
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: quenthal on August 10, 2009, 11:05:39 PM
I've been long time HTC & Nokia user (I currently have E71 as main phone and E90 laying somewhere).When comparing to BlackBerries or MS phones, I'd most definately take Nokia... But when it comes to iPhone....

... since my co-worker bought his iPhone year or two ago, I've been wanting one as well! It is the smooth UI and excellent (touch)screen which makes it so nice little machine and relatively intuitive to use.

My E71 may have better battery life, and specs in non-game area are quite similar. I've even become used to it's calculator looks and it's small buttons (which makes typing quite fast). GPS/Camera etc. feels better than those in iPhone, but they are more than adequate in iPhone too - and when you add to that the excellent web browser and how it works in iPhone - it simply works! I know what my next phone will be!
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: persia on August 10, 2009, 11:15:28 PM
PPC turned out to be a mistake.  Sitting in 2009 it's easy to make a judgement and say "only an idiot would choose PPC architecture," but Apple made the decision in March 1994 and it looked like a real alternative back then, it wasn't until last last century/early this century that PPC became a real dead end.  

But. How do you admit that it was a mistake and hold onto your declining market share?  Introduce a new OS designed for intel, but release it on PPC hardware and then when the OS is complete, get rid of the old architecture!

Of course it was made easier by a little mp3 player with a cute name.  Mac sales are booming, 1 in 10 personal computers sold in the US is a Mac.  There are already more intel based Macs than either PPC or Motorola based ones.  Apple survives on pushing the technology beyond it's limits and in doing so it also pushes old equipment into the past.

Sadly this will be true of the iPhone as well, the 3GS that's on the boat from China will no longer be supported in probably, oh, 5 years. At some point the new iPhone/Pod OS X will no longer be compatible with it.  But I will have had my use, and, I'm honing my Obj C skills, one good app and my retirement home in the north coast of NSW goes from being a km from the beach to being on the beach!

Quote from: kickstart;518775
Yes, they forget all ppc users using osx too but if m$ make it is bad, if apple make it is "different", i dont understand its the same, no?
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: Trev on August 11, 2009, 12:00:29 AM
Quote from: kickstart;518775
Yes, they forget all ppc users using osx too but if m$ make it is bad, if apple make it is "different", i dont understand its the same, no?


It is, but read the discussions on the gcc mailing list re: plug-ins and how to force GPL compliance. Their solution was to implement a DRM-like copyright enforcement mechanism and deliberately obfuscate the code responsible for loading plug-ins, despite possible conflicts with GPLv3. So, everyone does it, even those that claim to support open software.

That said, I don't see any problem with Apple and Microsoft using their own platforms as host environments. They sell proprietary software, after all. The gcc people, on the other hand, need to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror and decide whether or not they really believe in the concept of free software.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: gertsy on August 11, 2009, 12:51:26 AM
I don't have an iPhone I have a business supplied BB. But I have used an iPhone and have a friend who has one.  I also have access to internal IT business forums where a lot of early iPhone adopters have found cost and security(loss of desirable devices) to be the major issues.
Some people even blame the economic downturn on the cost of the iPhone for businesses. A joke, to be sure.

IMO whatever way you look at it iPhone = higher cost and risk for a business where as BB = covers both those business critical controls.

iPhone = cool, doesnt rate when it comes to a business objective. The security, relability and accessability of the key communications functionality are the core KPIs for any business pda/convergence device.
BTW: The trackball on the BB fails the last two requirements.  You've really gotta keep your thum clean..

Gertsy
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: bloodline on August 11, 2009, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: gertsy;518791
I don't have an iPhone I have a business supplied BB. But I have used an iPhone and have a friend who has one.  I also have access to internal IT business forums where a lot of early iPhone adopters have found cost and security(loss of desirable devices) to be the major issues.
Some people even blame the economic downturn on the cost of the iPhone for businesses. A joke, to be sure.

IMO whatever way you look at it iPhone = higher cost and risk for a business where as BB = covers both those business critical controls.

iPhone = cool, doesnt rate when it comes to a business objective. The security, relability and accessability of the key communications functionality are the core KPIs for any business pda/convergence device.
BTW: The trackball on the BB fails the last two requirements.  You've really gotta keep your thum clean..

Gertsy


I would be keen to know the data you used to draw this conclusion... OS1 of the iPhone did lack security and connectivity, but then it was a consumer OS, the first iPhone was not for business...

But we are now on OS3.1, which has an encrypted file system, access rights, controls, full exchange support with Push and remote wipe/lock down...

You can argue the iPhone is more expensive, of course it is more expensive than some aged BB... but security and connectivity are well supported features of the current iPhone.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: bloodline on August 11, 2009, 08:45:58 AM
Quote from: kickstart;518775
Yes, they forget all ppc users using osx too but if m$ make it is bad, if apple make it is "different", i dont understand its the same, no?


Apple haven't sold PPC computers for over 3 years now... The iPhone never existed at the time when they did sell them.

M$ have a whole lot more than just "forcing developers to use a specific platform" to answer for.

Apple are not the greatest company in the world, but they create products that work and perform very well. And probably most amazing of all, Apple have somehow managed to survive in a world with M$... Think of all the other 80's computer companies that didn't....
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: gertsy on August 11, 2009, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: bloodline;518817
I would be keen to know the data you used to draw this conclusion... OS1 of the iPhone did lack security and connectivity, but then it was a consumer OS, the first iPhone was not for business...

But we are now on OS3.1, which has an encrypted file system, access rights, controls, full exchange support with Push and remote wipe/lock down...

You can argue the iPhone is more expensive, of course it is more expensive than some aged BB... but security and connectivity are well supported features of the current iPhone.


I was refering to the device security/desirability for theft.
Having said that, having an internet enabled device that connects directly to corporate email via the same medium is a security risk in the areas of data security in relation to email forwarding from the device, inappropriate content distribution from the device to corporate, and exposure to browser based MITM attacks.
This is not a risk relative to iPhone alone.

But,, (with baiting smile) The iPhone battery "just" lasts a day of good usage and the phone has that "You need to make an important call so I will freeze now" chip in it.

Cheers

Gertsy.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: Skyraker on August 11, 2009, 12:03:05 PM
I have a BB Storm and it is a pile of shit.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: bloodline on August 11, 2009, 12:41:57 PM
Quote from: gertsy;518825

But,, (with baiting smile) The iPhone battery "just" lasts a day of good usage and the phone has that "You need to make an important call so I will freeze now" chip in it.

Cheers

Gertsy.


That's not a bug!!! That's a feature, you pay extra for that, whether you want it or not :)
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: persia on August 11, 2009, 02:39:19 PM
Got my 3GS 32 GB phone, seems they had some in stock in one of their stores in Sydney. Compared to the old 2G phones this thing is a work of art.  The GPS could use an external antenna, but with the tower assist it seems to get my general location correct.  The integration between hardware and software is just magnificent. Things just work.  

I jailbroke it of course, inspite of Apple's 27/7/09 email that says we risk bringing on the apocalypse if we do.  Hmmm, I hear horses, sounds like four of them....  Anyway, the view into the system through SSH or Fugu is instructive, they've modified OS X a bit and some things just aren't there, sudo, for example.  It appears that the iPhone is running everything as root, which might explain why they locked it in the first place.

One thing I don't like is when I loaded some free apps on it and then tried to sync those apps to another computer it deleted them.  And the first computer I sync'ed it to had American dates set up and it changed the whole system to American, backwards dates, spaces in the wrong place in phone numbers, etc.  And there doesn't appear to be a full system preferences in the phone.  Changing the computer to Oz settings and resync'ing fixed it.

After the horrors of Windows Mobile (I had a 16 GB sim card in an HTC Kaiser) and it's constant running out of system memory (no one needs more that 128 Meg of system ram), this phone is a joy to use.  

The iPhone does monitor data so I just need to reset the counter every month, but I doubt I'll use 5 GB.  The other thing I notice is that when the phone drops into 2G the browser is horribly slow, it's almost like being on dialup!

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1305/675169479_d50503fe65_m.jpg)
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: bloodline on August 11, 2009, 02:59:32 PM
I warn you that push support doesn't work properly when the phone is jailbroken... And push support is vital since background tasks aren't allowed :)
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: Terse on August 11, 2009, 07:34:45 PM
Like somebody earlier in this thread, I am a huge fan of the HTC Raphael (in the US known as the HTC Fuze or the HTC Touch Pro)
It is garbage out of the box from AT&T - you have to crack it, install new firmware (EnergyROM) install a new front end (Fuzeberry) and you still have to put up with HTC's trademark slowdowns.
I don't expect most people to have the tolerance for all of this and I got my Fuze from a guy who forced AT&T to give him an iPhone after suffering the stock Fuze for a few weeks.

But I must say – the battery life is fair. The feel of the phone in the hand is good. The screen is the best I’ve ever used on any mobile device ever. The camera is still a cell phone camera but is the best I’ve used in a cell. The sliding keyboard had a great sliding action and typing feel.  All the radios work as advertised (wifi, Bluetooth, FM, GPS, 3G.)  Push integration with outlook works great.  The composite video/audio output is a nice touch.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: GadgetMaster on August 11, 2009, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: gertsy;518825
..... phone has that "You need to make an important call so I will freeze now" chip in it.

Funny you mention that. My blackberry 8820 must have the same chip in it. It becomes unusable at the most inopportune moments.:(

No more Blackberries for me. Had enough of 'em.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: kickstart on August 11, 2009, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: bloodline;518818
Apple haven't sold PPC computers for over 3 years now... The iPhone never existed at the time when they did sell them.

M$ have a whole lot more than just "forcing developers to use a specific platform" to answer for.

Apple are not the greatest company in the world, but they create products that work and perform very well. And probably most amazing of all, Apple have somehow managed to survive in a world with M$... Think of all the other 80's computer companies that didn't....


Yes but for make aplications you only need some software for create, windows, linux or osx, user need the coice not companies.

Apple resist in a m$ world with own style, but apple is more of english speaking countries, usa, uk maybe australia... in europe i dont see too much iphones.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: odin on August 11, 2009, 10:43:31 PM
Alot of my coworkers in Amsterdam drink the Iphone Koolaid. I myself have been impressed with Symbian and I'm looking at Android stuff with growing interest.
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: persia on August 11, 2009, 11:03:39 PM
Multitasking?  There's an app for that!

http://code.google.com/p/iphone-backgrounder/wiki/Documentation

Quote from: bloodline;518850
I warn you that push support doesn't work properly when the phone is jailbroken... And push support is vital since background tasks aren't allowed :)
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: bloodline on August 11, 2009, 11:52:22 PM
Quote from: persia;518901
Multitasking?  There's an app for that!

http://code.google.com/p/iphone-backgrounder/wiki/Documentation


Hahaha, I forgot that you can multitask if you jail break it :D
Title: Re: iPhone v. BlackBerry
Post by: kickstart on August 14, 2009, 01:44:00 AM
Iphone can be attractive and full of eye candy, but sincerely... an ipod touch + chinesse quality phone cant be a business phone