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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Franko on June 02, 2011, 11:38:30 PM
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Been wandering round the net looking to see which other old home computers still hold as much feeling and meaning to people as the Amiga does. To be honest apart from the C64 and the odd Atari sites most seem to be long forgotten and the sites last posted on years ago... :)
I was going to put together a wee musical video that kind of shows how so many of these old home computers (not consoles) have been and gone over the years and now seem to have faded from most folks memories, while the Amiga still goes on... :)
With new hardware and new systems still being developed for the Amiga in 2011 and lively debates still going strong on the forums and new/ old users coming back what seems like every day to the Amiga scene, I've come up with the list below of some of the home computers that I can remember (I'm sure there were lots more) that seem to have faded into obscurity... :)
Can anyone recall any others that the Amiga has outlived to add to this wee list and that I can include in this wee video project... :)
Oric 1 1983
Oric Atmos 1983
ZX 80 1980
ZX 81 1981
ZX Spectrum 1982
ZX Spectrum+ 1984
ZX Spectrum 128 1985
Sinclair QL 1984
Dragon 32 1982
BBC Micro 1981
Amstrad CPC 1984
Atari Falcon 1992
Atari ST 1985
Atari Mega STE 1991
Atari 400/800 1979
Atari 1200 XL 1982
Atari 65/130 XE 1985
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The Speccy and ST range still have a lot of life in them, Speccy with games/demo's and the ST still gets some nice hardware updates.
you can add the Texas Ti99 to that list as well. We had one in our house, it died a death pretty quickly, replaced with a dead flesh speccy.
and the 'super spectrum' the sam coupe.
and lastly, all the Psion handhelds (sadly).
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The CPC is still going strong, new games and demos appear in that scene all the time - although it's bigger over in Europe than in the UK.
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Yo Franko....
Why is everything WEE?
And, if everything is not WEE, what makes a WEE thing WEE?
WEE WEE-lly want to know! :roflmao:
Add the wee Commodore 16 to the list! UGH!
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The Speccy and ST range still have a lot of life in them, Speccy with games/demo's and the ST still gets some nice hardware updates.
you can add the Texas Ti99 to that list as well. We had one in our house, it died a death pretty quickly, replaced with a dead flesh speccy.
and the 'super spectrum' the sam coupe.
and lastly, all the Psion handhelds (sadly).
Very true, ST makes a great door stop.
Just Kidding!:roflmao:
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Been wandering round the net looking to see which other old home computers still hold as much feeling and meaning to people as the Amiga does. To be honest apart from the C64 and the odd Atari sites most seem to be long forgotten and the sites last posted on years ago... :)
I was going to put together a wee musical video that kind of shows how so many of these old home computers (not consoles) have been and gone over the years and now seem to have faded from most folks memories, while the Amiga still goes on... :)
With new hardware and new systems still being developed for the Amiga in 2011 and lively debates still going strong on the forums and new/ old users coming back what seems like every day to the Amiga scene, I've come up with the list below of some of the home computers that I can remember (I'm sure there were lots more) that seem to have faded into obscurity... :)
Can anyone recall any others that the Amiga has outlived to add to this wee list and that I can include in this wee video project... :)
Oric 1 1983
Oric Atmos 1983
ZX 80 1980
ZX 81 1981
ZX Spectrum 1982
ZX Spectrum+ 1984
ZX Spectrum 128 1985
Sinclair QL 1984
Dragon 32 1982
BBC Micro 1981
Amstrad CPC 1984
Atari Falcon 1992
Atari ST 1985
Atari Mega STE 1991
Atari 400/800 1979
Atari 1200 XL 1982
Atari 65/130 XE 1985
I think for somebody who claims to have learned so much about the internet in just a few months you seem to be pretty ignorant.
There's loads of new hardware and/or software for the following systems:
ZX 81 1981
ZX Spectrum 1982
ZX Spectrum+ 1984
ZX Spectrum 128 1985
Amstrad CPC 1984
Atari 400/800 1979
Atari 1200 XL 1982
Atari 65/130 XE 1985
I don't know about the other systems because I don't follow them closely but I suspect they are also pretty much alive.
If you want links I can provide them, but since you know so much, you would have no problem finding them yourself.
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Yo Franko....
Why is everything WEE?
And, if everything is not WEE, what makes a WEE thing WEE?
WEE WEE-lly want to know! :roflmao:
Add the wee Commodore 16 to the list! UGH!
Yo Gizmo350, howz it gaun wee man... :)
Wee (and that means both of me) have a tendency to call wee thing wee just cos they are wee... :)
If thing were a wee bit wee'ir than wee then they would be called pokey instead of wee but if something is wee'ir than pokey then that would be classed as toaty which is as wee as you can get... :)
Seeing as how the C16 was just a wee bit longer lived than the Plus4 I'll add that to the list anyway... :)
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I think for somebody who claims to have learned so much about the internet in just a few months you seem to be pretty ignorant.
SNIP
If you want links I can provide them, but since you know so much, you would have no problem finding them yourself.
Awe gawd, another arsole for me collection... :rolleyes:
PS: I won't even bother to tell you what you can do with your links, I'll leave that to your imagination which seems as dull as you... :)
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Stated before but Speccy and Atari St is still very strong. Atari 8bit as well. I've even found coco users doing amazing things as well.
Only retro that seems to be a bit lame is old Macintosh. Apple crushes old systems so people move off them.
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What are some of the website forums for the Atari computers (not consoles) or others that have comparable traffic to Amiga.org?
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What are some of the website forums for the Atari computers (not consoles) or others that have comparable traffic to Amiga.org?
None that I could find, that's why I would say the Amiga seems to have outlived them all... :)
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Awe gawd, another arsole for me collection... :rolleyes:
PS: I won't even bother to tell you what you can do with your links, I'll leave that to your imagination which seems as dull as you... :)
Those are your own words which you like to post over and over again on this forum and others.
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Those are your own words which you like to post over and over again on this forum and others.
Thought I smelt you on MooBunny before... ;)
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Franko, in case you haven't noticed, the Amiga is just as dead as all the other corpses you listed in your post.....no more, no less. Your post implies that you believe that the Amiga is still "alive" and going strong. If that's true, then you're more delusion than I thought.
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What are some of the website forums for the Atari computers (not consoles) or others that have comparable traffic to Amiga.org?
Just a few links to Atari 8bit forums and new hard/software:
http://www.atariage.com/
http://www.abbuc.de/
http://mega-hz.no-ip.com/Angebote/angebote.html
http://drac030.krap.pl/en-sparta-info.php
http://atariarea.krap.pl/sio2ide/
http://www.mr-atari.com/
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Thought I smelt you on MooBunny before... ;)
Wrong, I don't post there...
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Franko, in case you haven't noticed, the Amiga is just as dead as all the other corpses you listed in your post.....no more, no less. Your post implies that you believe that the Amiga is still "alive" and going strong. If that's true, then you're more delusion than I thought.
It may be dead to you but it sure aint to me and yes it's still going strong for a 25 year old piece of computing hardware... :)
The point I was making (as you don't seem able to grasp it) is, when compared to the Amiga forums and current Amiga scene all the others I have listed don't seem to have the same amount of still active users posting on them... :)
Now I may be delusional but I'm perfectly happy that way as it means everything is hunky dorey in my wee delusional world and that's the way I like it... ;)
If you wanna play with dead things then that's your business but honestly it's not good for you and I'm pretty sure there are laws against it... :)
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Wrong, I don't post there...
But you just said you DID! :hammer:
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Wrong, I don't post there...
I believe you... millions wouldn't... ;)
PS: where are all these other sites you claim I post on :confused:
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But you just said you DID! :hammer:
Oh really? Please show me where I did say that.
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I believe you... millions wouldn't... ;)
PS: where are all these other sites you claim I post on :confused:
Just right here on this forum, several times (I can't be bothered to look them up because you have a nasty habbit of removing your own posts) and on AWN and of course the MOO (which I do read BTW).
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Those are your own words which you like to post over and over again on this forum and others.
RIGHT HERE! :rtfm:
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RIGHT HERE! :rtfm:
Fail... Please try again!
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Just right here on this forum, several times (I can't be bothered to look them up because you have a nasty habbit of removing your own posts) and on AWN and of course the MOO (which I do read BTW).
GEEEEEZUZ! The above proves you & Franko go to the same sites! :lol:
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Just a few links to Atari 8bit forums and new hard/software:
http://www.atariage.com/
http://www.abbuc.de/
http://mega-hz.no-ip.com/Angebote/angebote.html
http://drac030.krap.pl/en-sparta-info.php
http://atariarea.krap.pl/sio2ide/
http://www.mr-atari.com/
No, I asked for websites with comparable traffic that are *not* Atari console websites. For instance, where is the Atari ST website with comparable traffic to Amiga.org ? If it exists, let me know.
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Just right here on this forum, several times (I can't be bothered to look them up because you have a nasty habbit of removing your own posts) and on AWN and of course the MOO (which I do read BTW).
Aint got no nasty hobbits... ;)
Can't even recall the last time I posted on AWN and probably have less than 40 posts on their and when it comes to MooBummy yes I do go there sometimes to wind up the monkeys but seems quite a few of the regular weirdos on that place like to post suff pretending to be me which the loony tunes over there seem to fall for... :)
Anyway what the frig has any of this got to do with my original post or are you just bored out of your tits and thought to yourself "let's have another pointless rattling of the gums here to pass the time"... :confused:
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GEEEEEZUZ! The above proves you & Franco go to the same sites! :lol:
Oi...gitmo350... I've told you before it's Franko with a K not Franco with a C... :furious:
Swuth yur spullchicker oan... ;)
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GEEEEEZUZ! The above proves you & Franco go to the same sites! :lol:
GEEEEEZUZ! to you too, you claimed I post there which I don't. Now be quiet and reread again what you wrote.
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GEEEEEZUZ! to you too, you claimed I post there which I don't. Now be quiet and reread again what you wrote.
OK, whatever.... so what you're saying is that you read Franko's posts on other forums but you don't post there. K.......
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No, I asked for websites with comparable traffic that are *not* Atari console websites. For instance, where is the Atari ST website with comparable traffic to Amiga.org ? If it exists, let me know.
Did you even bother to go to these sites, they are mostly about 8bit Atari home computers and NOT about consoles.
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GEEEEEZUZ! to you too, you claimed I post there which I don't. Now be quiet and reread again what you wrote.
Fur Gawds sake why you gotta bring GEEEEEZUZ into this now... :(
Poor bloke got nailed to a big lump of wood to save sinners like you, you know, show a bit of respect for Christies sake... :)
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OK, whatever.... so what you're saying is that you read Franko's posts on other forums but you don't post there. K.......
Yes, is it wrong to visit forums and not post there? I've got better things to do. Now just admit you where wrong or prove I post on said forums.
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Did you even bother to go to these sites, they are mostly about 8bit Atari home computers and NOT about consoles.
I did, but there was no-one home... ;)
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Fur Gawds sake why you gotta bring GEEEEEZUZ into this now... :(
Poor bloke got nailed to a big lump of wood to save sinners like you, you know, show a bit of respect for Christies sake... :)
As you may have noticed (but conveniantly overlooked) I didn't start with the GEEEEEZUZ stuff.
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Yes, is it wrong to visit forums and not post there, I've got better things to do. Now just admit you where wrong or prove I post on said forums.
You do post on MooBummy, told you I've smelt you there before and that's all the proof I need... ;)
PS:That's a bit of a dumb thing to say "I've got better things to do" while your talking about visiting MooBummy... :)
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As you may have noticed (but conveniantly overlooked) I didn't start with the GEEEEEZUZ stuff.
I didn't "conveniantly overlook" it, I deliberately overlooked it cos I like Gizmo350 and I don't like you, there's a big difference you know... ;)
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You do post on MooBummy, told you I've smelt you there before and that's all the proof I need... ;)
Say's the proven Moobunny poster himself but that's not proof enough, please give me an example ;)
PS:That's a bit of a dumb thing to say "I've got better things to do" while your talking about visiting MooBummy... :)
You may be right about that ;), every post with a Franko in it is a waste of time... ;)
Damn... ;)
See I can use meaningless smilies too in every sentence I post if I want to ;)
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I didn't "conveniantly overlook" it, I deliberately overlooked it cos I like Gizmo350 and I don't like you, there's a big difference you know... ;)
Oh dear me ;)
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You may be right about that ;), every post with a Franko in it is a waste of time... Damn... ;)
See I can use meaningless smilies too in every sentence I post if I want to ;)
Oh the irony... :lol: it hurts so much from laughing at you... :roflmao:
The guy or gal who claims he/she has "better things to do with his/her time" but is too dumb to realise even after just saying it, that he/she is quite happy wasting his/her time to all these posts here with "Franko in it"... :roflmao:
Your not a schitzo by any chance... :)
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Did you even bother to go to these sites, they are mostly about 8bit Atari home computers and NOT about consoles.
In fact, I recognize some of them because I have visited in the past. Lots of console stuff on there. And what is the forum traffic like?
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There's loads of new hardware and/or software for the following systems:
ZX 81 1981
ZX Spectrum 1982
ZX Spectrum+ 1984
ZX Spectrum 128 1985
Amstrad CPC 1984
Atari 400/800 1979
Atari 1200 XL 1982
Atari 65/130 XE 1985
I don't know about the other systems because I don't follow them closely but I suspect they are also pretty much alive.
*loads*? Really?? Loads?? How many products in a load? I'm not saying the Amiga is producing loads of software and hardware every year but I would bet it's more than these system you listed put together.
The Commodore 64 probably gets more updates than these.
The other poster here mentioned that Atari ST and they do get new hardware and software. I don't think it's as much as the Amiga but that would have made your list a decent argument.
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Retro-computing is what you find fun. It isn't a contest. I've had fun fixing up old PCs (my current projects are a Thinkpad I'm upgrading from a 333mhz to 650mhz CPU and a PII machine I'm going to turn in to the "ultimate 1998 gaming box" :) ), old Macintoshes, old whatevers.
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I agree. The Amiga is the only retro computer that outlived the other retro computers of the 1980-ies and most of the 1990-ies. While there are new software released for Oric and Amstrad, this does not magically turn these machines into alive machines with strong community and new developments. I coded a CPM games two years ago, did this made the CPM alive? If some guy creates an hardware add-on for his Atari Falcon, this does not brings the Atari back to life.
As I use emulators on my Amiga, I have pretty good view of the various retro communities. Surely the Amiga is the most active of them all. While the C-64 is very strong, it is not as much strong as the Amiga. And the Amiga is still a decent useful machine, unlike the C-64 and the Atari ST. All the C-64, Vic-20, Speccy and Oric fans are using PCs or Mac to connect to the Internet and do serious work and post on these forums, while there are people who use their Amigas to post on the forums. I guess this makes the Amiga the only that outlive them all.
Additionally on the Amiga we have - OS wars - AmigaOS 3.9 vs AmigaOS 4.0 vs AROS vs MorphOS. Forum wars - Dammy vs Franko vs Jerkany etc.
Hardware wars - Sam460 vs Pegasos vs old Macs.
New complete hardware configurations - announced and even some of them released - Sam440, Sam460, Natami, AmigaOne X1000.
New versions of the OSes that are not opensourced.
New hardware peripherals for the old machines, created from companies that are on the Amiga market since decades (Individual computers).
Online stores where you can buy Amiga stuff brand new - AmiKit, Vesalia.
Online depositories where you can watch for new releases - Aminet, OS4Depot.net
Active daily updated news sites - Amiga-news.de, PPA.pl.
Bi-monthly paper magazine - Amiga Future.
Several very active forums - AmigaWorld.net, Amiga.org, EAB, LemonAmiga.
Active demoscene that competes with PC releases on main computer scene events.
Old greybeards who come to say hello to the community (Dave Haynie).
Haters - people who went PC long time ago that come to say how much advanced their new machine is compared to our antiques.
Enthusiasts - people who love to play with their Amigas over anything else.
While the other retro machines have some of the above, they are magnitudes smaller than the Amiga.
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Dr. Hirudo FTW!
+100!
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The Amiga would easily win "Twitchiest Corpse" or perhaps "Most Persistent Zombi" award ;)
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The Amiga also gets the award for "hardest to kill", "most resurrected" and "most reincarnated".
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Just to be REALLY pedantic...
Atari 600XL
Atari 800XL
They were fairly different form factor than the Atari 400/800 and came early/mid 80's, rather than late 70's.
One of the main reasons I bought my first Amiga is because it's a spiritual successor to my beloved Atari 800XL; in my very humble opinion a rather marvellous computer, which for me only had 2 major issues - games were more prevelant for the C64 than the 800XL and the main tape-drive units loaded programs VERY slowly (no 'turbo' load like C64) so games like Gauntlet would take over 20 minutes to load.
Still play "Rescue on Fractalus!" and "Mercenary Escape From Targ" on Atari 800XL emulator every now and then.
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Greetings,
"Still Alive" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mg6wrYCT9Q) is what I reckon....
How about the the IBM XT's, with bulky 10MB Hard drives 5 1/4 Floppy diskettes drives, Monochrome b/g displays that shoots gamma rays and leave a posporous burn marks when turn off after hours of use. kinda miss'em too. :D
Regards,
GiZz72
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Just to be REALLY pedantic...
Atari 600XL
Atari 800XL
They were fairly different form factor than the Atari 400/800 and came early/mid 80's, rather than late 70's.
One of the main reasons I bought my first Amiga is because it's a spiritual successor to my beloved Atari 800XL; in my very humble opinion a rather marvellous computer, which for me only had 2 major issues - games were more prevelant for the C64 than the 800XL and the main tape-drive units loaded programs VERY slowly (no 'turbo' load like C64) so games like Gauntlet would take over 20 minutes to load.
Still play "Rescue on Fractalus!" and "Mercenary Escape From Targ" on Atari 800XL emulator every now and then.
Yeah, I loved my Atari 800XL - nice machines indeed, though I damaged mine when I was experimenting with the parallel bus. Replaced it with another, and still have tapes and tapes of my programs up in the attic. I always found the C64 a little more powerful programming-wise though...
As for the Amiga, I think it's still thrashing around because it's still a little bit useable in this modern world. You can still use it for your IRC, email, MP3s, some light browsing, games etc., and with a modern screen. While there are some great communities still dedicated to the 8-bits, those machines live on in their own little niche and rarely participate in the modern world the way the Amiga can...
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No mention of Tandy TRS-80 coco range of computers ? My 1st computer so I still have fond memories of it. I only had a coco1, but the coco3's were quite decent bit machines. To this day it has a bit of a user base and lots of hardware upgrades (much like many retro machines). While not the native OS, OS9 sort of became the default OS for the machine. There's even an FPGA based coco3 which Id like to get ahold of one day.
A few screenshots of Coco1 games I played as a child: (good times :))
http://nitros9.lcurtisboyle.com/canyonclimber.html
http://nitros9.lcurtisboyle.com/cashman.html
http://nitros9.lcurtisboyle.com/gantelet.html
Some screenshots of Coco3 games (quite nice for 8bit machine in my opinion) :
http://nitros9.lcurtisboyle.com/ganteletii.html
http://nitros9.lcurtisboyle.com/leisuresuitlarry.html
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Plenty of life in some of those on the list when it comes to old farts keeping old systems running - Atari scene is quite active. Not to mention many of the other system "scenes" are a HELL of a lot more pleasant to deal with, lol. The Amiga scene has always been a volatile trainwreck.
"Outlive" is a pretty twitchy word to use for any hardware that's a good 15-20 years dead and buried. In the grand scheme of things, I suppose the Amiga is "still alive" in forms like the SAM, MorphOS, and even AROS. But the true "original" Amiga, well we've been poking that corpse with a sharp stick since 1994 when C= went belly up, and we'll never agree on which one of the machines that came since then was the true successor.
At this point we should all just be thankful there's a following for these old machines and that there's a community left to support them. Places like A.org are a huge asset to guys like us that dig this old gear, even if said forums often seem as a group of zoo monkeys flinging feces at each other :)
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"Outlive" is a pretty twitchy word to use for any hardware that's a good 15-20 years dead and buried. In the grand scheme of things, I suppose the Amiga is "still alive" in forms like the SAM, MorphOS, and even AROS. But the true "original" Amiga, well we've been poking that corpse with a sharp stick since 1994 when C= went belly up, and we'll never agree on which one of the machines that came since then was the true successor.
At this point we should all just be thankful there's a following for these old machines and that there's a community left to support them. Places like A.org are a huge asset to guys like us that dig this old gear, even if said forums often seem as a group of zoo monkeys flinging feces at each other :)
While I get the drift of what you're saying once again it's the old "dead & buried" routine... :(
If the Amiga were "dead and buried" then why do we all spend so much time on these forums talking about what we are currently doing with them... ;)
There's only one forum where you can truly speak your mind about the Amiga and that is of course the best of them all AMIGA.ORG, all the others moderate the hell out of free speech at the merest mention of a simple word like "geezer"... gawd knows what planet some of them moderators on other sites live on... :)
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MSX is also very active with new games, hardware even a fpga reimplementation
see on http://www.msx.org
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But the true "original" Amiga, well we've been poking that corpse with a sharp stick since 1994 when C= went belly up, and we'll never agree on which one of the machines that came since then was the true successor.
We held a meeting and decided that Natami and FPGA arcade were the true successors. :)
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@fisy_fiz
How could we forget the Trash-80? Thanks for bringing it up.
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Don't forget the Coleco Adam, TI-99/4A and that lame Panasonic 8-bit computer and the Spectravideo SV-318, and the VIC-20 and the PET and the B256 were all made extinct by the C64.
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We held a meeting and decided that Natami and FPGA arcade were the true successors. :)
/thread :lol:
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I think someone mentioned this before.
Riddler: Why won't you just die?
Batman: I don't take requests.
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The amiga wont die bcoz it cant display popups. I fucking hate internet ads.
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It may be dead to you but it sure aint to me and yes it's still going strong for a 25 year old piece of computing hardware... :)
The point I was making (as you don't seem able to grasp it) is, when compared to the Amiga forums and current Amiga scene all the others I have listed don't seem to have the same amount of still active users posting on them... :)
The Atari 8bit scene is very active, hardware and software projects and games being produced all the time as well as demos. The 8bit computer section of Atariage sees more posting action than any other forum for any other machine most of the time.
As that is a 1979 machine that technically is the oldest one.
Having said that very few machines don't have a working emulator STILL, classic example is the Memotech MTX 500 or 512 machines. Real shame as I have working ORIC/Aquarius/TRS80/TI99/ZX81 and other emulators.
Also whilst the Archimedes from Acorn has a good emulator, very few games have been cracked properly so can not be put onto ADFs for use with the emulator. The TOSEC is pretty small. But then they have a nice little £100 kit to build a RISC-OS compatible machine too.
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I agree. The Amiga is the only retro computer that outlived ...
Many valid points there, couldnt agree more. As an everyday usable computer the Amiga surely outlived them all. Like you said, no other 'retro' platform still has decent hardware/software development, relatively modern operating system and such an active user community.
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Many valid points there, couldnt agree more. As an everyday usable computer the Amiga surely outlived them all. Like you said, no other 'retro' platform still has decent hardware/software development, relatively modern operating system and such an active user community.
Don't know the details but I'd say RISCOS challenges Amiga on most or all of those.
An even better "retro" challenger is Haiku. It's a lot more modern, runs on far better hardware and while it's hard to get numbers of the user base the numbers of people downloading it were in the order of hundreds of thousands.
BTW Going by numbers of active forum users is a completely useless way of measuring popularity of an OS. e.g. Haiku has never had a forum based community so you'd get the impression it's quite small.
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Any system that is not being manufactured anymore is technically dead.
However many old systems still are in use by enthusiasts like the people you find here and other websites.
I myself have a number of Amiga systems here at home with me , but my favorite is still my old Apple IIe systems - mainly because I grew up with them so have fonder memories of the Apple rather than the Amiga. Though the Amiga can do so much more than the Apple II could.
Many old systems etc are still valid for many people , I still know people using SNES and Megadrive consoles , heck I know someone with an Atari VCS.
I have all the modern consoles but I still can't get past games like Super Frog or Great Giana Sisters on the Amiga , or Odyssey or the original Wizardry on my Apple IIs. Even more validly , these systems are still working ( generally ) sometimes after 20+ years - I doubt we'll see a PS3 or XBox360 last that long.
Also to add to your list of "dead" pcs you can list the Hitachi Peach - not sure what name it was sold by in other countries , but it came out about a year after the Apple II. I remember being very tempted as the graphics were better. I have a feeling it may have got lost very quickly.
Also there was the Tandy TRS-80 - this was very popular in it's day , even producing clones called the System-80 here in Australia. Always remember the game Time Trek on this as being my fav. If you put an am radio near the pc , you could get "sound effects" and get a noise when the Klingons
were getting ready to fire etc.
Got to love retro gaming!
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I believe the two computers most fondly remembered ever are:
Commodore 64 it out lasted so many other 8 bit micro's and hell they even made a console version out of it!
Amiga, it outlasted just about every other 16 bit computer out there. An Amiga is actually still usable today as it was back then!
In terms of publications Commodore 64 and Amiga were well supported with Zzap 64 and Amiga Format....I dont think any other computer had that kind of support and no other computer has since!