Miggy enemies (&bright future)

[xaccrocheur]

Hi

Listening to A. Redhouse speech, it seems that Motorola, unlike IBM, are trying their BEST to slow, if not jeopardise dangerously, the PPC750 integration.

Seems that obtaining info from them is like playing SIMCITY starting with 10$. Try to figure out the specs of an as complicated device as a Level3 Cache on a CPU w/o any advice from the guys who made tha damn CPU...

Found me wondering : In the actual IT landscape, who really fears Amiga competition ?

What market will the "new Amiga technology" threaten ?

Because, you know, viewed from here, it seems that the Amiga has really CREATED a market, both in the field of Personal Computing (a concept that seem somehow abandonned), and Computer Imagery (in a way you cannot do w/ PCs).

Both are litterally BORN on the amiga, and are now the cash-providing market of a number of aggressive and powerful companies.

If the new Miggy is to hold the promises we all hope it will, we are looking at a MAJOR danger to many businesses. Really.

After all, the saying is : Just because you are not paranoid does not mean they are'nt watching  8-)

Admitedly, the new Amiga technology will be very much more complementary than competing, since it will use PC standard components.

Sorry 4 that last sentence. I *sense* it's not english, but dunno how to say it properly  ;-)

So maybe the trick would be here : Discretion. And careful information. See, we are here, it's already a proper market.

I'm talking about YOU and ME, and the numerous others that will BUY the damn machine. TV companies, even the NASA are waiting.

This is funny. I really though the world was all setup, with Microsoft and Apple in their lazy domination.

Now BBRV, (God I hate this guy) after much vaporware announcments, is actually SHIPPING a new machine.

Linux is really working, usable, and scares the HELL out of the IT business.

This is 1985 all over again ! :-D

sorry for this "my two cents" kind of post, a bit useless, but it made me feel *great* !!!

pX

[Housey]

Hi,

Yeah its good to see Amiga computing advancing forwards but i'm not gonna get really excited until the Amiga/Morph start getting mentioned on non-Amiga sites and nor will competitors.

Once I start seeing regular Amiga related mentions on ZDNet type news sites and hear people actually talking about it (like PC addicted friends..) i'll actually get really excited.

As for being a threat in the future.  Well its very possible but I doubt as a Windows threat.  But embedded markets, multimedia, handheld etc... who knows... I certainly hope so  ;-)

[xaccrocheur]

Yeah, this guys seems really clever. Everything makes sense, I really love the server-farm orientation, the "listen&learn" approach, and the IBM partnership !! IBM *is* a trust-worthy company, and really innovative, even if the always fail to show it.

Damn, were all the guys present who asked questions to Alan frenchies ? It seems so, as :
# they have this distinctive nasal-buzz that makes them impossible to understand and
# they seem to ask mostly irrelevant questions

(I know, I *am* french, and only half-kidding;)

He lost me a bit towards the end, about China. I'm always frightened when I hear of China, dunno

I did heard that a big learning system has been setup w/ IBM, starting in Taipei. I wish I'm there... ;-)

pX

[Darth_X]

> it seems that Motorola, unlike IBM, are trying their BEST to slow, if not jeopardise dangerously, the PPC750 integration.

I don't think Motorola are trying to slow the market, I think its just incompetence. Motorola are too busy re-inventing the cell-phone to have any interest in making powerful processors.

Now IBM are the REAL leaders in processor technology. I laugh at the term 'IBM compatible'.. its more like 'genuine IBM inside' :-D


> Now BBRV, (God I hate this guy) after much vaporware announcments, is actually SHIPPING a new machine.

Who is your God and why do you hate BBRV? :-D

> Linux is really working, usable, and scares the HELL out of the IT business.

Much of the IT business has embraced Linux. Its the M$ centric market that fears the open source GPL that the Linux platform brings. What will all those Visual Basic coders do? :-D

 >This is 1985 all over again !

In a way I agree with with you, but this market has a huge uphill battle.. and its not between Pegasos and A1 (these a complementary products).. its really how APPLE and Microsoft will react.

> TV companies, even the NASA are waiting.

But neither the A1 nor Pegasos really offer tv companies or NASA anything out of the box.

The new Amiga is going to need to make up for 10 years of essentially no real hardcore app development and now fairly out-dated hardware on both the A1/Pegasos ...... if the A1 waits til  2004 or whenever to get OS4 or if Pegasos 2 dosent ship this year (I have some degree of faith that it will because so far THEY havent made bogus promises)... PC's will be even more ahead of it..

PCI-Express,SerialATA,USB 2.0/dual channel DDR/etc etc etc

I dont think anyone is worried about it hurting their markets any.

In the actual IT landscape, who really fears Amiga competition

Absolutely no one.

[TheMagicM]

I doubt anyone will fear the A1 *whenever* it comes out.  Its been a long time since anything has been put out with the Amiga label on it.  Who will be developing software for it? Which companies have something they are coding on with screenshots that show they are ready to release their software for the A1 ?  

(just for the record, if/when the A1 comes out and has good games/apps, you damn straight I'll buy one)

[The_Editor]

Someone once proclaimed....

"Build it and they will come" (or something like that)

Truth ??



Time will tell

[anarchic_teapot]

The_Editor wrote:
Someone once proclaimed....

"Build it and they will come" (or something like that)

That was Emerson, and he was referring to a metaphorical better mousetrap.

[anarchic_teapot]

Wayne wrote:

In the actual IT landscape, who really fears Amiga competition

Absolutely no one.

I disagree. What about BBRV ?
 :-D

[xaccrocheur]

Darth_X

Who is your God and why do you hate BBRV?

Well that was sort of an expression, I don't have any God, really (If one is reading this, please apply:)

I wouldlike to re-phrase that.

I don't really HATE them, fact is, I really dislike the way they are doing ANY communication work. Well. Apart from that, I really *admire* the fact that they ARE shipping a new machine w/ a new OS. No need to bury the Amiga system as a whole though.  I hate their mind games with other's money, and I like their interest in technology.
Mixed emotions, really.

That's the way I am. Somehow admirative and really disgusted.

Oh, and, ever heard about Pretory ?
CF :
http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=96710

pX

[odin]

xaccrocheur wrote:
Well that was sort of an expression, I don't have any God, really (If one is reading this, please apply:)

/me waves his hands :-).

Oh, and, ever heard about Pretory ?
CF :
http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=96710

I haven't and  I don't really speak French very good.....at all....care to give a summary?

[jeffimix]

Doing horrible thigns again to tree thread viewers by posting reply to last message ... again.

Amiga isn't very threatening right now, but heck, they could put up a fight, and even have a chance. Nonetheless, I'm sure M$ is watching, along with many others.

[Hammer]

Now IBM are the REAL leaders in processor technology.

Careful with that statement.

I laugh at the term 'IBM compatible'.. its more like 'genuine IBM inside'
 

Well, it’s IBM’s fault for outsourcing the OS development to Microsoft.

Much of the IT business has embraced Linux.

On what given percentage?

 

What will all those Visual Basic coders do?

1. Go to Borland's Builder products for X86 Linux
2. Run Wine for X86 Linux.
3. Wait for dotNET for Linux port.

[Hammer]

anarchic_teapot wrote:

Wayne wrote:

In the actual IT landscape, who really fears Amiga competition

Absolutely no one.

I disagree. What about BBRV ?
 :-D

Well, Intel has a relatively low power Pentium-M product line. Pentium-M @1.6Ghz was noted to run normal office apps like a Pentium 4 @2.5Ghz.

http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1800&p=14
(So much for the solely MHz = good, Intel just debunked it's own myth)...

http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1800&p=8
(Pentium-M's operating frequency, voltages and Thermal Design Power).

There are potential known vendors for low power computing enabled devices;
1. Transmeta (Hardware) .
2.  Microsoft via it’s WindowsXP Embedded (OS and Software).
3. VIA (Hardware).
4. Various X86 Linux variant vendors (OS and Software) .
5. Intel via Pentium-M/Centrino CPU  (Hardware)..
6. AROS (open sourced AmigaOS clone, mostly for X86).
The main strength of points 1 to 5 will be commonality with the massive X86 market.

Outside X86
1. Intel, via it's StrongArm.
2. AMD, via it's MIPS series CPUs.
3.  Microsoft via it’s Windows CE (OS and Software).
4. 'etc'
5. Various Linux/*nix vendors.

Both MOS and AOS camp will have to approach this market with care.

As for X86 Server farms threats refer to
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=X86+Server+farms&meta=