AmiWest 2017 clarifications

[Pgovotsos]

That's is really cool idea, let it be slightly fatter than 1,5 inch. I hope you will finalize your project and we will eventually get portable AMI. Can't wait for that.

We've had portable Amigas for 20 years. I have Silent Paws 600, 1200, and 4000 and they go on the road nicely.

[kamelito]

@Steve
We know that AmigaOS is C with some assembly.
Is it C89 or C99 with some GCC extensions? Does it contain C++?
Regards
Kamelito

[ssolie]

We know that AmigaOS is C with some assembly.
Is it C89 or C99 with some GCC extensions? Does it contain C++?

Depends on the component. We used whatever language/tool was most appropriate at the time the component was created.

[Spectre660]

@Steve

Any plans to look into the X5000 CMI8738 Sound Card issues ?
The CMI cards seem to be the the models in greatest supply .

The  PCIex1 version issue is probably related to the Asmedia 1083 bridge  chips (Revision 1) but may be able to be  be overcome in the driver.  Case in point I have an Envyht24 pciex1 card with an Asmedia 1083  revision 1 bridge chip that works on my X5000 with AmigaOS 4.1FE with   no problems.

The PCI CMI8738 cards (which do not have a bridge chip) also have an issue as some models work and others do not.
I am using a PCI CMI8738 in my X5000 with no problems with AmigaOS 4.1FE
Or could the  the problem actually be with some X5000's ? and not with others ?


See the following thread if you have not seen it already .
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=3625

[ferrellsl]

I don't see any point in debating the definition of laptop.

I didn't call for a debate.  Are you looking for one?  My point is that standards have changed over the past 30  years as to what defines a laptop and these days there's the expectation that a laptop has a certain dimensional and weight threshold, a battery life measured in hours and WiFi.  A Tabor shoe-horned into a box with some batteries and an LCD panel doesn't fit that definition at all.  I'd be laughed out of the room if I showed up with such a system in front of my peers and referred to it as a laptop....

So call it a laptop if you want to continue living in 1998, but time marches on and so do standards.

[LoadWB]

Hence why so many "laptops" are called "desktop replacements" or "portable computers."

[ferrellsl]

@LoadWB

Exactly.....this portable Tabor -in-a-box more closely fits the definition of a portable or desktop replacement....not a laptop.  I definitely wouldn't throw it in a briefcase or backpack for my travels or use it on the train or plane.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

A Tabor shoe-horned into a box with some batteries and an LCD panel doesn't fit that definition at all.  I'd be laughed out of the room if I showed up with such a system in front of my peers and referred to it as a laptop....

This thing sounds g-d ridiculous.  Where can one see a picture of it? :lol:

[ferrellsl]

This thing sounds g-d ridiculous.  Where can one see a picture of it? :lol:

Hans is working on it and has a video of his progress here:  https://keasigmadelta.com/diy-laptop/

Not sure why he chose to leave the Tabor board mounted in the PC case for this video unless it was to provide support for the video card. It'll be tough to stuff all that hardware into a case without a 90-degree adapter for the video card slot and then there's the driver board for the LCD panel, 6 batteries that look to be the size of standard C cells and a switching power supply.

[kamelito]

As I understand it Hans wants an easy way to travel with an Amiga computer. I guess that way he can code while he travel. I see it as a very good news. I still have an 80's mindset and at my age I don't care at all what other people think of me.
Kamelito

[wawrzon]

As I understand it Hans wants an easy way to travel with an Amiga computer. I guess that way he can code while he travel. I see it as a very good news. I still have an 80's mindset and at my age I don't care at all what other people think of me.
Kamelito

an easy way to travel with an amiga computer is to throw your a600 or a1200 in a suitcase. i used to do it a lot in the nineties, when carrying the computer around my school, video studio, to my girlfriends place or parents home. in this respect it was truly "portable."

[kamelito]

an easy way to travel with an amiga computer is to throw your a600 or a1200 in a suitcase. i used to do it a lot in the nineties, when carrying the computer around my school, video studio, to my girlfriends place or parents home. in this respect it was truly "portable" and certainly qualifies more as such than any however modded os4 system today.

 Did you read that it has battery? That he is using battery that are permitted onboard? That way he could use it's Amiga while flying for example...  Kamelito

[eliyahu]

Was it a true laptop or just a luggable?  If it's thicker than 1.5 inches then people shouldn't refer to it as a laptop but as a something else entirely.

fair point. however at the moment the project is in very early days. hans mentioned he wanted to 3D print a case for everything so it would be close to a true laptop, but we just don't know yet. he's just prototyping things right now, so we can't really judge what the final offering will be. they didn't even know if they would offer it as a kit, a finished product, or whatever. he had literally just picked up the batteries that week.

anyway -- i think it's cool that folks are tinkering like this.

-- eliyahu

[ssolie]

Any plans to look into the X5000 CMI8738 Sound Card issues ?

I don't know of anybody looking into this problem at the moment.

[ssolie]

I didn't call for a debate.  Are you looking for one?  My point is that standards have changed over the past 30  years...

I guess I just didn't notice my MacBook Pro booted in 6 seconds from cold and I have Chrome up and running in under 10 seconds.

Listen, all of us here know time has moved on. My point is that somebody is trying their best to create a portable Amiga running the latest AmigaOS. If some people want to point and laugh that is their business but that kind of stuff doesn't belong in this thread.

I am looking forward to my new A1222 laptop and I don't care if my peers laugh or not.

[ferrellsl]

I guess I just didn't notice my MacBook Pro booted in 6 seconds from cold and I have Chrome up and running in under 10 seconds.

Listen, all of us here know time has moved on. My point is that somebody is trying their best to create a portable Amiga running the latest AmigaOS. If some people want to point and laugh that is their business but that kind of stuff doesn't belong in this thread.

I am looking forward to my new A1222 laptop and I don't care if my peers laugh or not.

I look forward to it as well, but let's call it what it is....as the saying goes, you can put lipstick on a pig and you still have a pig.

Shoe-horning a Tabor into a small box doesn't make it a laptop....it's a Tabor in a small box.

People outside the NG Amiga community who might be interested in an Amiga laptop are only going to be annoyed when they search for an Amiga "laptop" only to find a Tabor crammed in a small box with no WiFi and battery life measured in minutes instead of hours and it's as thick as a pizza box.