Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3

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And every person in the MS related Press areas still refers to it as "Metro" behind closed doors.  Some call it Windows Store Apps, some say "Modern UI".  Call it what you like.  I call the brick a brack "formerly known as Metro" simply "Legoland Design School".  

Even the most fervent MS press folks like MJ Foley, Ed Bott, and our own illustrious ex Amigan, Paul Thurrott use the Metro term in passing still.  You can gild a turd, but I can still smell the stink  But let's not get into semantics, it's just a name.

It (Metro) indeed was full, blazing official term at one time, but they hit a lawsuit snag on it.

I call it 1996 AOL wants their interface back.

http://obamapacman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/AOL-1996-vs.-Microsoft-Windows-8.jpg

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http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/the-sorry-state-of-windows-81-update-1-236008

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/what-heck-happening-windows

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@gertsy

Why can't you use OS X.

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Over 800 million iOS devices sold, no wonder MS no longer try's to complete with iPad. The MS Surface Tablet failed experiment will be over in the next two years or less just like Zune was.  

http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/2/5772344/apple-wwdc-2014-stats-update

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@ Trev

FYI

Adding a pressure sensitive pen to the iPad is $80-100 and it has more pressure levels then the pen included with Surface Pro 3. Even Surface Pro 2 has more pressure levels than 3.

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I'm typing this on my iPhone, but let me know when I can run Xcode on it. ;-)

This 27 inch iPad will run Xcode fine for you.




http://www.cnet.com/products/apple-imac-2013/

Don't forget the Track pad for an authentic experience.

https://www.apple.com/magictrackpad/

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@psxphill

The difference is Apple never promised you could run Mac applications on the iPad. Also the iPad has more applications than Mac OS X! Microsoft created their own confusion promising the world and then delivering a half baked OS upgrade that does desktop and tablet but is not good at either. Confusing Frankien OS no thanks I'll stick with Windows 7. I skipped Vista too and am still happy about that.

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But I'm sorry, even the improved Windows 8.1 is a complete piece of #$%^ Jekyll and Hyde job. It's the merging of the new tile apps with the old system, they just don't get along at all and create all sorts of confusing scenarios. You will never convince me otherwise that it isn't anything but a horrible mistake.

Agreed, you hit the nail on the head to the problem they created for their customers and themselves.

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When did Microsoft promise you could run desktop applications on Surface RT?

By giving customers the standard Windows Desktop in Surface RT it's implied that it's Windows compatible. It looks like Windows but really isn't since no Windows legacy apps will run. Windows 8 was and is a massive failure, almost all of the team that created it has been fired from Microsoft up to the President of the Windows Division Steven Sinofsky and all the way up to the CEO Steve Ballmer. Microsoft counts all PC's that ship with Win8 as a new Windows 8 customer when in fact most immediately get reimaged with Windows 7. I never thought something could fail more than Visa but Win8 achieved that. Microsoft's best customers Fortune 500 companies shune Windows 8 and refuse to install it in their enterprise. Some do like Windows 8 and that is also a problem since now Microsoft has divided and confused their customer base on a massive scale. No competitor could have done the titanic damage that Microsoft has inflicted on itself.

From Windows Supersite.

"Windows 8 is not well-designed. It's a mess. But Windows 8 is a bigger problem than that. Windows 8 is a disaster in every sense of the word.

This is not open to debate, is not part of some cute imaginary world where everyone's opinion is equally valid or whatever. Windows 8 is a disaster. Period."

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/what-heck-happening-windows

From Infoworld

"More Microsoft exec departures mark end of a Windows era
With Jon DeVaan and Grant George officially retired and most of rest of Windows 8 team out to pasture, Microsoft silently acknowledges complete lack of faith in Windows 8."

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/more-microsoft-exec-departures-mark-end-of-windows-era-233279

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@psxphill

You sure spend a lot of time trying to get us to buy Windows 8.



I said Windows 7 works fine for me so why do you care what version of Windows I or others in this thread use? Many people hate Windows 8 and won't upgrade to it, maybe Windows 9 will be okay, who knows? Windows Supersite is run by the host of Windows Weekly a big Windows fan. That's why his words ring so true. If you think Windows 8 is a resounding success you are either working for Microsoft or living in a dream world. It's a fact that Windows 8 was a huge failure and most of the team that created it have been fired. Those facts are not debatable they are easily verified. If Microsoft losing 900 million on the Windows 8 based Tablet is success to you I would hate to see what you think failure looks like. That almost 1 billion dollar loss was in one quarter of the year.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/18/4535976/microsoft-lost-900-million-on-surface-rt

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Touch on the desktop is a fool's errand anyway, because it is just plain uncomfortable to hold your arm up and interact with something in front of your face for extended periods of time.

100% right, they call it Gorilla arm.



http://www.techbroil.com/2012/10/the-gorilla-at-end-of-windows-8-tunnel.html

http://www.wired.com/2010/10/gorilla-arm-multitouch/

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Another problem is that Windows Store apps suck on the desktop, so being able to run them on a desktop is meaningless.  Apple got it right, tablet and phone are different to desktops and laptops.

And touch screens on laptops and desktops will always be secondary to trackpads (or I suppose mice).  The price of the touch interface on the two or three 27 inch or larger monitors you have on your desktop would be better spent on a 4K screen instead.

4K yum, this one looks good.

http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-34UM95-P-ultrawide-monitor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnrxNfxRK_4

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The scale of Windows 8.x’s failure is staggering!

http://betanews.com/2014/05/08/the-scale-of-windows-8-xs-failure-is-staggering/

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I have never encouraged anyone to buy Windows 8.
 
 
 
You sure spend a lot of time trying to get us to not buy Windows 8.
 
Including lying that Microsoft promised desktop Apps would work on Suface RT.
 
 
One minute you say people have retired and now you're saying they were fired. It's hard to verify facts when they change all the time.
 
 
The loss was on Surface and not Windows 8, it's the first thing you'd find out when trying to verify the facts. Microsoft made a loss on the original xbox for a long time as well.
 
Losing 1.2 billion dollars sounds like a lot, but they have 88 billion dollars in cash and had an income of 5.7 billion dollars for the last quarter. Which makes Surface the same type of failure that people go through every week playing the lottery.

 

Don't think I ever said Windows RT ran regular Windows Desktop Applications, I said customers are confused if it does or does not run them.

People can buy Windows 8 if they want to feel the pain, go for it.

　
I'm against crappy products but even worse is a company trying to force it's customer base to upgrade to an OS version that's worse than the former version. And making sure the channel is full of Win8 machines but making it hard to get machines with Win7 installed. That's not very customer friendly.

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@commodorejohn

The chart also does not take into consideration all the customers that immediately install Windows 7 on machines they buy with Win8 and 8.1. A substantial number of people do this but they are still counted as Win8.x owners in charts. Tons of enterprise customers do this as well. Get boatloads of Win8 PC's and reimage to Windows 7 before they are deployed in the company. I remember when I worked for BofA as an IT Consultant long ago. BofA bought thousands of HP machines that came with 2000/XP but the machines were reimaged with NextStep for x86 to run a custom proprietary banking applications. All the machines still had a valid XP License that was never used. I suggested they just buy the machines without 2000/XP to save money  but they said a contract with Microsoft and or HP prevented this.

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For me I see no advantages to Win8 for me personally so I'm not upgrading. I already owned a tablet long ago and have over a million Apps to choose from so Windows Store has no appeal to me. I don't want to have a Hotmail account because MS has proven time and time again they can and will pry into your personal information and or leak your personal information do to incompetence. I'll take a pass for now and see what Windows Threshold brings.

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015