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Offline ognix

Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2010, 09:01:48 PM »
Quote from: zylesea;591328

MorphOS itself doesn't offer sd, but there are 3rd party tools that offer sd. I don't use it, since Amiga-m is faster and more convenient IMHO. Also the RMB on the depth gadget offers  a thumbnail view of other open screens and allows simple selection.
The sd aproach with todays hw doesn't feel as smooth and natural as on the old hardware IMHO. Fancy stuff like a rotating cube for switching screens is also a nice gimmick, but not very useful.


Hey!  :)
I didn't know MOS (with third party software) had this capability: I mean not just screen dragging but thumbnails for other screens.
In fact, after my previous post, I thought about screen dragging, its usefulness and a proper evolution.
And it came to my mind the option of having thumbnail view of open screens by right-mouse-button clicking on the depth gadget!

I think it's a very cool and useful way to move through screens (together with Amiga-M shortcut): we do not have to copy from other platforms! (Vista, Win7, Linux)

Let's implement it on AROS too!  :D

Hope you'll agree...

P.S. Falling on the ignorant side: in fact I didn't know about it on MOS because I didn't try it, but I don't have proper hardware to run it.
 

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Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2010, 12:37:48 PM »
Yet another vid of screen dragging showing 3D graphics... rather fun :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY8mWxwzH5o

Offline clusteruk

Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2010, 01:43:37 PM »
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Yet another vid of screen dragging showing 3D graphics... rather fun :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY8mWxwzH5o


Great video that one, beat me too the full version :-)

Screen dragging is amazing and even though not as needed as the early day when it allowed high res tool kit over a Ham screen like brilliance, even now it is very useful and a great demo.
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Offline paolone

Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2010, 04:34:55 PM »
Screen dragging might be less useful today than it was 25 years ago, however is one of the unique features Amiga had, so I am really excited for the fact it has finally landed on native AROSland too.

Said so, I wouldn't expect AROS to run better than AmigaOS 3.1 on classic hardware: with some luck it will be not too much slower, but don't forget that 1) AROS won't have the "optimized in assembler" parts, for simple portability reasons, and 2) AROS is much more advanced, in many parts, to the OS that inspired it. More advanced means also new features that will require more porcessor grunt. In a nutshell, I think AROS on classic hardware will be something more than a curiosity, but the real uses for it will come from UAE installations and clones like the Natami or the Minimig, where there is more freedom about confugrations. Don't forget, too, that people using PPC accelerated cards will need to write software to handle them, or at least recompile the whole OS to take advantage of them.
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Offline persia

Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2010, 08:03:35 PM »
What use does screen dragging have today (outside of classic Amigas)?
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Offline kolla

Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2010, 08:22:07 PM »
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What use does screen dragging have today (outside of classic Amigas)?


What use does it have on classic Amiga systems? There's your answer ;)
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Offline Karlos

Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2010, 08:43:03 PM »
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What use does it have on classic Amiga systems? There's your answer ;)


On CRT, I always preferred it to flipping screens as it didn't switch sync if the revealed screen was not in the same resolution as the foremost one.
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Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2010, 09:36:12 PM »
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MorphOS itself doesn't offer sd, but there are 3rd party tools that offer sd. I don't use it, since Amiga-m is faster and more convenient IMHO. Also the RMB on the depth gadget offers  a thumbnail view of other open screens and allows simple selection.
The sd aproach with todays hw doesn't feel as smooth and natural as on the old hardware IMHO. Fancy stuff like a rotating cube for switching screens is also a nice gimmick, but not very useful.


Yeah, I never bothered with installing that screen dragging stuff on MorphOS. Frankly, it must be one of the most overly hyped and utterly useless so called "features" of Amiga, ever! Whatever real use it might have had 20 years ago, it's completely gone today. It's a gimmick at best, and quite pointless even for a gimmick. I don't want to piss on the parade here, but surely there must be better stuff to spend development time on than this?
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Offline clusteruk

Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2010, 10:20:00 PM »
@takemehomegrandma

Sorry, but could not disagree more. Yes with the screens we have it is not as important now, but it is a great thing to have for general use. With Amiga M and dragging screens this is now a nice improvement.

Some like, some do not, but at least both groups are happy now.

Only improvement I would like now is like Windows7 previews at bottom of screen but I am happy to wait for that, as this will come no doubt.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2010, 10:24:21 PM by clusteruk »
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Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2010, 12:28:38 AM »
So it's just a neat trick with no real use?
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Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2010, 12:34:39 AM »
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So it's just a neat trick with no real use?
Which sums up all the AmigaOS clones... But we still love them :)

Offline kolla

Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2010, 02:02:57 AM »
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So it's just a neat trick with no real use?


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Offline skurk

Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2010, 10:13:15 AM »
I guess screen dragging will be difficult once you have different screen modes?
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Offline Hattig

Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2010, 11:03:45 AM »
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I guess screen dragging will be difficult once you have different screen modes?


I don't know how Aros is performing Screen dragging, but if it is doing it via OpenGL (each screen is a texture) then different resolution screens could be scaled (with trilinear filtering) to be the correct size behind the front screen.
 

Offline Karlos

Re: Aros has a new trick Video, don't miss it :-)
« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2010, 11:46:50 AM »
I finally watched the video all the way through and Stephen's closing "this is what made me fall in love with the Amiga in the first place" remark reminds me of the first time I demonstrated it to a friend that at the time had a 386SX :-)
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