Timberwolf Progress Update

[jorkany]

Are they going to release the source code for this?

Only the parts that are already public.

http://www.amigabounty.net/?function=viewproject&projectid=44
"The source code of the port will be made available only as far as the MPL requires it, i.e. all modified source code files will be available for interested parties, but new files will not. This is in accordance with the requirements of the Mozilla Public License. "

[jorkany]

Good news. This project is the MOST important amiga project going hw or sw.

Are you kidding?

Go find an old-time Amiga user who hasn't been keeping up with things the past ten years. Explain to them that if they buy either something called a SAM for about $1000, or wait an indeterminate amount of time for something else they can buy called an X1000 for about $3000 from another company they've never heard of, then they can run a browser based on an old version of FireFox. If they can contain themselves then explain how this brings a whole host of Mozilla technology to something called OS4.

Let us know how excited they get. Better yet record it and post it on youtube.

[jorkany]

Has anyone bothered to contact Hyperion to see if they will allow Timberwolf to be ported to there chosen platform? There seems to be allot of speculation being tossed around as if they won't release it?

The bounty license says that they have to forfeit the source code if they do not show active development or release a new version after initial release within a 12 month time frame.

In other words as long as TIMBERWOLF is being developed.... i.e. TIMBERWOLF on AmigaOS, TIMBERWOLF on AROS etc etc etc.

Just my two cents worth.

Timberwolf is not a Hyperion project.

[jorkany]

Hooligan

You are completely wrong in what you are saying. FF 4 port could attract new users. How this can be denied is beyond me.. obviously nothing "commercial" will come from the platform.. (and by "commercial" i think you mean "industrial" )

Why would a port of FF attract new users? You can run FF for free on a number of platforms already, on hardware that is readily available for well under the $$$ you would sink into an OS4 system. You don't even have to get into the fact that Timberwolf is not going to be keeping up with FF, and maybe is not even going to be maintained much at all - the alpha has been around since what, 2009 and the Friedens just recently decided to ****can it and start over. Why would such a version of FF be attractive to anyone? Because it's fun to struggle with things that don't quite work right, take forever to get fixed, and new features available on every other platform don't get incorporated?

Get a grip, man.

[jorkany]

Let's not forget here:
a) The Friedens are very busy on the OS itself. If they don't work on it, they get yelled at.
b) When they started for the first time on FF, the OS wasn't ready.
c) Then when the OS was ready, they started and got a working build out of it. At this point FF went to the next major version. Therefore if they continued work, they'd get yelled at because FF was already outdated and therefore useless.
d) Now the OS is ready and FF isn't going to go to a new version, they've been able to get good progress, and will release a demo shortly, they say.

It's all very well saying "oh they're useless because they can't even get FF running", but you're massively underestimating the work involved and the complexity of the situation they're in. Odyssey may be very good, but the writer didn't also have to keep another 4 Amiga camps happy at the same time, did he?

Timberwolf is for OS4 only, there is no "keep another 4(?) Amiga camps happy". Also if you think the Friedens give a **** about anything other than OS4, you need to up the meds. They would be perfectly happy if real Amiga, MOS and AROS all sank to the bottom of the ocean.

[jorkany]

I hate people who tells what other people thinks. How the h*ll do you know what they think? Aiming at becoming the troll-master, are you? ;-)

From statements the Friedens have made in the past, unless they were lying. At least they haven't gotten to the point where they say they want people to die in a fire, like Rigo.

Edit: And like TMHG mentioned, actions. This Timberwolf browser is a good example - the Friedens don't plan to make it open source, and I'm sure they would be the first to say "We did something and you didn't so you don't deserve it, port it yourself". Meanwhile you've got people like Fab, kase1, and Karlos who actually do write code across platforms. Where do you think the split in the communities comes from? Primarily from the Friedens and Hyperion. I never see the AROS, MOS and Amiga guys arguing about each other, it's always OS4 vs. Everybody else - and it's all down to the crappy attitudes of the gang at Hyperion. Take off the blinders.

[jorkany]

I just got the FireFox 6.0 update for OS X.

Hows that FF 4.0 rewrite of Timberwolf coming along?

[jorkany]

And only 100mb memory usage when viewing Amiga.org

Nope. Try 232.

[jorkany]

to improve this thread in lack of "real" progress update we could introduce "virtual progress update" where we would talk about what we believe is currently worked on, how it will work when finished and about that it will be finished when it is done.

If we're going to talk "virtual progress updates" then you might as well just run right on over to my thread discussing whether the X1000 is the best suited platform for personal mini-space shuttles.

[jorkany]

Your text stand above, now i see it. but below under "initial release" stand this.so seem this text is forget to modify, because tell the oppusite


"""
http://www.amigabounty.net/?function=viewproject&projectid=44
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Initial Release

As outlined above, the initial release aims at being up-to-date with the current stable branch of Mozilla/Firefox. That is, if for example the current stable branch of Firefox is 3.5.1, then Timberwolf shall be based on 3.5.1. After this version, the author(s) of Timberwolf shall use best effort to
continue to update to interim stable released of Firefox, i.e. 3.5.2, 3.5.3 etc. This bounty shall not cover anything beyond the released version, ie. Version 3.6 or later versions of Firefox.
""

This is clearly because of a couple reasons. One, having a browser based on a 3.x version of FF makes it look ridiculously outdated, what with v6.0 out and all. Granted the versioning over at FF has taken a ridiculous twist, but even so there's this perception that there is a huge gap. And it's only going to get worse.

The other reason is, this gives the Friedens an excellent excuse to further delay an actual release thus covering up the fact that they screwed up and had to start over.

But since this is a hobby project, who really cares? Just sayin, don't expect an actual release any time soon (Timberwolf first appeared back in 2009) and if there is a "release" expect in-house beta quality.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got other sites to visit with my "bloated slow" 6.0 version of FF.