MorphOS on Power Mac G5

[gdanko]

http://bigfoot.morphos-team.net/test/powermacg5_showconfig.jpeg - only a day late, but oh well


And as always, questions about availability and offers for beta testing will likely be quite pointless at this time.

Wow that will be smokin'!

[gdanko]

Haters are sad people IMHO.

And people who adopt ghetto slang are sad, too.

[drHirudo]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

No, that's something OS4 users simply don't do, right?

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=32121&forum=28

:lol:

If waving red herring makes you happy, then so be it. :lol:

[Flashlab]

And people who adopt ghetto slang are sad, too.

Hey, show some restecpa for tha hood, yah! ;-)

[cv643d]

EDIT: New fuel for the flamewar that these Slashdot guys are engaged in.

I noticed that to on Slashdot, was quite surprised most thought the best idea was to recycle it, strange how that site changed over the years (been following it since 98)

[yakumo9275]

nice to see at least an upgrade from radeon 9200 is 9600 the highest going to be supported?

will morphos do anything with >1 cpu, or does it just spin it up? hopefully its in idle state..

is there any plans as far as 64bit goes? hopefully it wont crash when it sees 8gb ram..

those g5's were bastards for cooling, gen1 g5's also had issues.. still I'd take one

[recidivist]

MAby one could run spare vacuum cleaner hose from G5 fan intake to nearest air conditioner ?

Ham radio operators who became irritated with excessive fan noise have been known to put big fan outside and duct LOTS of cool air to tube amplifiers.

Then again ,I could just run one USB 2 cable to a USB hub installed in a case with 2 DVD/CD drives,card reader,mouse and keyboard leaving the CPU/power supply/noisy fans at least a couple meters further from my ears?

[TomJ]

lots of  iMac (G3,4, and 5) sitting in peoples'  back shelves or closets  just begging to be put to use again!

Aren't the G3 and G4 PowerMacs to slow to run MorphOS or just UAE?

or most G4's and then you would have to be careful what you got because of motherboard changes and upgrade ability (with the exception of some pricey processor upgrades)

And then the other question will MorphOS eventually make the move to intel as Apple has done?

[JLPedro]

WOW!!! I'll be getting a free G5 in short time and this is just wonderful news!!

[pampers]

And then the other question will MorphOS eventually make the move to intel as Apple has done?

Imho if MorphOS Team will ever consider moving to x86 architecture (which is unlikely to happen), supporting overpriced Apple intel hw wouldn't be the best idea.

[Iggy]

Aren't the G3 and G4 PowerMacs to slow to run MorphOS or just UAE?

or most G4's and then you would have to be careful what you got because of motherboard changes and upgrade ability (with the exception of some pricey processor upgrades)

And then the other question will MorphOS eventually make the move to intel as Apple has done?

Its unlikely that G3s are going to be supported. G4s are certainly fast enough (the fastest common Pegasos uses a G4 at 1Ghz). Right now, they've only shown Powermac support for the last G4s, the MDD/FW800 models. Since they top out at 1.42Ghz they should be a upgrade to most Pegasos owners.

Most of the users of the Mac Mini seem quite satisfied with their machines (which top out at 1.5 Ghz).

All these G4s are going to be faster than the boards manufactured by Acube (who's Applied Micro PPC based boards use less powerful CPUs).

The G5 is going to be a brute. G5s processors are slightly more powerful then the PA6T and are available at speeds up to 50% faster then that of the X1000 (at a much lower price).

[Karlos]

The G5 is going to be a brute. G5s processors are slightly more powerful then the PA6T and are available at speeds up to 50% faster then that of the X1000 (at a much lower price).

Untrue. The PA6T outperforms the G5 quite comfortably at the same clock, at least for floating point and is on par for integer performance. Try your google fu and you'll soon see.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=566253&postcount=31

The advantages of the G5 mac are cost and maximum clock rate. Both of which still equate to a better price/performance ratio than the PA6T, of course.

[takemehomegrandma]

The advantages of the G5 mac are cost and maximum clock rate. Both of which still equate to a better price/performance ratio than the PA6T, of course.

Yes indeed this Mac will be faster. From the picture from the G5 Mac from the show:
Processor: 2700 MHz, FSB: 1350 MHz

AFAIK the PA6T processor in the "X1000": 1800 MHz, FSB: 1067 MHz.

So yes, performance wise it will kick "X1000" butt, at a quarter of the cost (in the worst case, probably much less). Even more so if the difference in OS/SW performance between MorphOS and OS4 remains, and I have seen no signs suggesting otherwise.

We will know for sure *how much* behind OS4 on the X1000 will be compared to MorphOS on a fast Powermac G5 when we see a complete comparison benchmark of the two, like the obligement test some time ago. But it will be behind.

[Piru]

Untrue. The PA6T outperforms the G5 quite comfortably at the same clock, at least for floating point and is on par for integer performance.

Indeed.

For integer performance PA6T has 500 SPECint2000 per GHz. 970FX has 472 per GHz. So already 2GHz 970FX beats X1000.

For floating point performance PA6T has 750 SPECfp2000 per GHz. 970FX has 564. This means that 2.5GHz 970FX is faster than X1000.

Note: For 970MP the performance per clock is higher, so these comparisons only apply to 970FX models. The numbers I could find would suggest 571 SPECint2000 per GHz and 830 SPECfp2000 per GHz, but I couldn't confirm these figures.

[Karlos]

Yes indeed this Mac will be faster. From the picture from the G5 Mac from the show:
Processor: 2700 MHz, FSB: 1350 MHz

AFAIK the PA6T processor in the "X1000": 1800 MHz, FSB: 1067 MHz.

So yes, performance wise it will kick "X1000" butt, at a quarter of the cost (in the worst case, probably much less). Even more so if the difference in OS/SW performance between MorphOS and OS4 remains, and I have seen no signs suggesting otherwise.

We will know for sure *how much* behind OS4 on the X1000 will be compared to MorphOS on a fast Powermac G5 when we see a complete comparison benchmark of the two, like the obligement test some time ago. But it will be behind.

Of course it will. What you are suggesting is like comparing a 50MHz 030 against at 33MHz one, it's a complete no-brainer as to which will be faster in processor intensive tasks.

However, it's not all doom and gloom for the PA6T. The mac G5 machines are complete pigs when it comes to power consumption, the very issue PASemi sought to address when they designed the PWRFicient system in the first place.

[Karlos]

Indeed.

For integer performance PA6T has 500 SPECint2000 per GHz. 970FX has 472 per GHz. So already 2GHz 970FX beats X1000.

For floating point performance PA6T has 750 SPECfp2000 per GHz. 970FX has 564. This means that 2.5GHz 970FX is faster than X1000.

Note: For 970MP the performance per clock is higher, so these comparisons only apply to 970FX models. The numbers I could find would suggest 571 SPECint2000 per GHz and 830 SPECfp2000 per GHz, but I couldn't confirm these figures.

It's probably fair to say that, whichever camp you are in, both the PPC970 and PA6T give ample processing power for people used to G4 class machines or slower.

For myself, if I need computational grunt, I use my Core2, which is fast enough for almost everything. If I need even more computational grunt and the problem is of the appropriate class, I use my GPU. The latter delivers throughput that makes code running on the Core2 and any desktop PPC (even with full vector unit optimisation) look utterly pitiful.