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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: cap on November 10, 2002, 11:39:29 AM

Title: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: cap on November 10, 2002, 11:39:29 AM
Anybody have some advice on which version of
the 8500 to go for in the A1,as in the Standard
64mb asgainst the LE 128mb,also the makes
i.e Hercules or Mercury etc.

If its not too much to ask where they have seen it.

I have done a bit of a search and i've spotted an
LE 128mb at Stak for £81.08, can anybody beat that?
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: The_Editor on November 10, 2002, 11:43:40 AM
Thats a good price mate ..Ebuyer is quoting .. £98  before vat.   Is this the right card ?

(http://image.ebuyer.com/P0029875_C0000017_P0000000.jpg)

Super ATI Radeon 8500LE AGP 64MB DDR Dual Display DVI+TV Out - Retail Box
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: Orgin on November 10, 2002, 11:54:12 AM
Some benchmarks at tomshardware.com:

http://www17.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q2/020409/geforce4ti4200-04.html (http://www17.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q2/020409/geforce4ti4200-04.html)

Radeon 7500, 8500 and 8500LE compared to GeForce 3 Ti, Geforce 4 MX and Geforce 4.

/Björn
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: jd997uk on November 10, 2002, 12:07:33 PM
@cap

Apparently, the ATI OEM stuff is all the same, so if the A1 supports the 8500, any of the builds will work.

-john
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: Elektro on November 10, 2002, 12:25:20 PM
Ati 8500le is a very good card, it uses 3.3ns ram so it can easily go up to 300MHz.
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: Herewegoagain on November 10, 2002, 01:17:27 PM
Any one of them should blow the previously available cards for Amiga (ie Voodoo) out of the water.  But if you can, I would get the 8500LE with 128MB of Ram.
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: amigamad on November 10, 2002, 01:33:23 PM
I paid 120 pound for hercules radeon 8500 le 128mb that was from the over clocking store (http://www.theoverclockingstore.co.uk) .That was about 3 months ago
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: Cojo on November 11, 2002, 10:01:04 PM
hmm,
call me crazy or call it overkill..
but i whould get a radeon 9700 ;)
nowadays, nothing is as old as yesterdays hardware....
and the 8500 is yesterdays hw ;)
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: on November 12, 2002, 12:28:01 PM
I'm a little scared of the video card situation on the amigaone.

As far as I know, the Aone will be using the same kind of drivers that linux uses.

Linux support a lot of cards, but only generally.
They support the 2D modes and such, but not true 3D gaming and such.

I think a lot of money may be wasted on getting all these high priced cards, only to find out that 3D and acceleration is not supported.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
And I hope I am.
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: newbee on November 12, 2002, 12:44:23 PM
@mounatinmyst

Quote
They support the 2D modes and such, but not true 3D gaming and such.
snip
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I think a lot of money may be wasted on getting all these high priced cards, only to find out that 3D and acceleration is not supported.


A hell of a lot of effort is going into the 2d and 3d engines (both for AmigaOS and DE). So AmigaOS 4 will have some very impressive 2d and 3d abilites.

However, you are also correct in that on a subset of all available cards will have complete drivers written (at least on this first pass!!!).

I would not invest in a "bleeding edge" 3d card at the moment as it is unlikely to be initially (fully) supported, although if it is compatibel with an "old" version you may get some functionality.

The Radeon 8500 has been around for some time now and it is "supported" so I think it is a good compramise between "new and better" and "supported".

I hope that helps your decision process.

Regards
Darren


Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: poweramiga2002 on November 12, 2002, 01:14:59 PM
i have purchased the gigabyte ati radeon 9000 is this ok for use in my amigaone
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: newbee on November 12, 2002, 01:37:50 PM
@poweramiga2002

The Radeon 9000 should work as it is "backwards compatible" with the Radeon 7500 (This is not a money back garantee however).

The drivers are "optimised" for the 7500 so even the 8500 will be missing some "whistles and bells" on the first pass (but should still give a speed boost over the 7500).

Since you have already purchased the 9000 card, give it a go (nothing to lose). however I would not recommend purchasing >8500 for anyone who has not yet got a video card.

Regards
Darren
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: Wilse on November 12, 2002, 03:00:12 PM
This may seem like a stupid question but is an 8500 always a better option than a 7500?
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: Elektro on November 12, 2002, 03:06:36 PM
8500 is better than 7500 and 9000.
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: Joshua on November 12, 2002, 03:29:19 PM
Quote
The Radeon 9000 should work as it is "backwards compatible" with the Radeon 7500 (This is not a money back garantee however).

The drivers are "optimised" for the 7500 so even the 8500 will be missing some "whistles and bells" on the first pass (but should still give a speed boost over the 7500).



Where are you getting your information from?  We haven't released anything to this effect.  The "first pass" drivers are "optimized" (if you can call it that) for compatibility -- we're attempting to make it work with as many Radoen cards as possible (we'll release a list of tested cards a bit closer to the OS4 shipment).  The "bells and whistles" specific to each Radeon chip will probably come later in updated drivers.
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: lionstorm on November 13, 2002, 07:37:59 AM
As far as I get from the forefront site, they are implied in 2D drivers only. But who is doing the 3D since warp team is fully working on OS4 ?
LionStorm
Title: Re: Ati Radeon 8500
Post by: Fot on November 13, 2002, 10:11:37 AM
Quote
call me crazy or call it overkill..but i whould get a radeon 9700 ;


Well, you asked for it.... "you're crazy"  :crazy:  or enjoy spending money.

While the 9700 is fantastic hardware, you may find that the 800MHz G4 will not have the horsepower to scale  this card to it's full potential. Let's also not forget the fact that OS4.0 will most likely have no 3D support for the 9700.

A more affordable 7500LE or 8500LE will do the job nicely.