Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?

[T_Bone]

SidMan wrote:
@TBone,

Amiga gets money if they LOSE, I have no IDEA why they are fighting this battle, it's in their OWN interests, that's why they made the deal in the first place.

Hi, I've been away for a while so I'm trying to catch up with all the info. Can you explain to me the above? How exactly will they make money?

Cheers,

SidMan.

If Genesi win the case and Amiga is held to the contract, Amiga gets paid $4.50 in license fees for each of Genesi's machines sold capable of running DE. In addition, Amiga may charge Genesi for the costs involved in the port.

That's not to mention Amiga will now be exposing their DE to the ENTIRE Amiga community, not just one side of the fracture.

Amiga sees this as a loss, for "personal" reasons, but as a buisness event, it's a win.

[FarQuad]

MikeyMike,

I've already called and verified the documents, but here are the URLs to the documents so you can read them yourself.

http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/certservwithdraw.pdf

http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/shukiswithdraw.pdf

http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/withdrawcounsel1.pdf

http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/withdrawcounsel2.pdf

[Paul_Gadd]

Why on earth would Genesi disgrace themselves by getting involved with criminals? it makes no sense at all.

The sooner these criminals get brought to justice the better.

[bhoggett]

@FarQuad

Cheers. Now, why didn't I think of doing that?
 :-?

[FarQuad]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to offend.  I just don't figure there's any reason to try and hide the documents, since they're even in the wide-open directory on Rich's site.  

I honestly believe everyone needs to read them, and I believe even moreso that people need to get help in understanding them BEFORE rumors and fighting get out of hand (as usual).   Wonder who will submit them to slashdot and OSNews this time?

// FarQ

[bhoggett]

@FarQuad

Sorry, you didn't offend. I was chastising myself for not thinking of the obvious solution. I don't like posting a link to Rich's directory because of some of the material there, but I should have thought of posting direct links to the documents myself.

[FarQuad]

@BHoggett,

Thanks very much for clarifying.  :-)

// FarQ

[Skyraker]

I note with interest that these files are held on Merlancia servers (a company most of us would never want to deal with).... I don't know much about this Rich Woods character except he seems to have a very personal agenda.

Ho hum, it'll all come out in the wash i'm sure.

[Kees]

OT: Skyraker .. where did you get that avatar ?

[odin]

If you mean the docs provided by Rich Woods; please not that they are _not_ placed on the Merlancia domain. But merely on a domain which has the name merlancia.

[Darth_X]

Kees wrote:
OT: Skyraker .. where did you get that avatar ?

avatar? That's a self-portrait!  :-D

[bhoggett]

Skyraker wrote:
I note with interest that these files are held on Merlancia servers (a company most of us would never want to deal with).... I don't know much about this Rich Woods character except he seems to have a very personal agenda.

Ho hum, it'll all come out in the wash i'm sure.

Those are not Merlancia's servers. Rich Woods has registered the merlancia.us domain, presumably to annoy RC/Merlancia who, together with Amiga Inc, make up the targets of Rich's displeasure.

However, while most of us will acknowledge that Rich has his own agenda, and while at least some of us do not approve of his overall methods this does not invalidate the court ducuments he makes available. These have all been genuine so far and anyone can verify them at source.

As you say, it will all come out in the wash. Somehow I doubt it will make for pretty reading.

[Argo]

They view Thendic(Genesi) as their direct competion. Would you give your product to the competion? Especially, if they believe in the Morphos/AmigaOS IP theft, they may think that DE might get stolen from them.
If one of the actions the judge chooses is to approve the sanctions put forward by Thendic/Genesi's lawyers and as such includes the mentioned handing over of a copy of the source code of DE to Genesi to port. Amiga, Inc. could loose control over DE.
What's going to happen?
Don't know. We'll have to break out the chips and dip till the next exciting episode of release documents comes out. Same Amiga Time, Same Amiga Channel.

[bhoggett]

@Argo

If one of the actions the judge chooses is to approve the sanctions put forward by Thendic/Genesi's lawyers and as such includes the mentioned handing over of a copy of the source code of DE to Genesi to port. Amiga, Inc. could loose control over DE.

Absolutely not.

Access to source code does not mean freedom to do what they like with it. Genesi would only be entitled to use the source code to port AmigaDE to their own devices as per contract, nothing more. They would still have to abide by all the conditions and copyrights therein.

Furthermore, AmigaDE does not only contain Amiga Inc copyrighted material, but also TAO's IP. It remains to be seen if any commitment by Amiga Inc to hand over source code is binding upon TAO, no matter what the contract between Amiga and Genesi says.

No court can enforce a sanction which would be in direct violation of copyright law. Most likely, if the sanction was imposed and Amiga were found to be unable to comply with it in a legal manner, further penalties would be exacted against Amiga Inc.

[bloodline]

The only reason I can see whty Amiga Inc. would fight this case (since a ruling against Amiga Inc. would give them money... quite a lot of money IMHO) would be if they can't actually forefil the contract... I should come as no surprise that Amiga Inc. might still be hiding something from us....

Note: Any speculation as to what it is they can't meet on the contract?

[Skyraker]

@Kees

I'd like to take credit for it, but I found it when doing a google image search ages ago.... and promptly nicked it.

@darth

heheh true, but the hairs grown back now.