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Varisys are also known for producing PA Semi processor boards.

I speculated that the CPU for the X1000 would be a PASemi PA6T (or similar) when it was first announced, but it seemed unlikely given that PASemi were pretty much bought out by apple.

The plot thickens :lol:
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2010, 04:33:28 PM »
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That's great and all, but since when does AOS, in any form support multiple CPUs? Last I checked to do so would break a great many things.


There's two ways of looking at this. One the one hand, you've got a non SMT based OS and a dual core CPU. Not an effective combination. However, just one of the cores in a 2GHz class PA Semi is already significantly faster than any existing G4 box upon which OS4 runs and still included niceties like Altivec. Overall, then, you are still getting a faster system, just not one you are making full use of.

Now, as for SMT, in it's purest form with total backwards compatibility with 3.x, I don't imagine it happening. If no better solution is possible, it may be that a "hybrid" form, where threads created by legacy applications are confined to one core, but those of well-behaved "native" applications are not, is doable.
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2010, 04:35:05 PM »
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:lol: @ the doomy reference.

How would the PA6T compare against the end of the line "G4" as found in Quicksilver Macs and the final Powerbooks?

Pretty well, I would imagine. The PA6T was supposed to be more like the "G5", only without having to install a petrol powered generator and industrial cooling to run the thing.

http://www.systerra.de/documents/PA_Semi_PA6T_1682M_PB_694.pdf
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2010, 04:42:02 PM »
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Are there any comparisons between the various PPCs? I'd be curious to see how the PA6t, G4 and Titan cpus stood.


I'm sure google will bring up something.

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Off the top of my head, the last "G4" processors used in apple machines were the 7448 Apollo 8 variant. Now I don't think Apple ever used them directly as these are Freescale parts but 3rd party vendors have released upgrades for G4 boxes using them. A quick search reveals that these:

Are fabbed at 90nm process, copper interconnect
Single core, 32-bit
Have altivec
Run up to 2GHz with 200MHz FSB
TDP of ~18W @ 1.7GHz
1MB L2 cache

The PA6T:

Are fabbed at 65nm process
Dual core, 32/64-bit
Have altivec
Run beyond 2GHz (haven't found a direct source for the ceiling, but 2.5GHz is quoted a lot).
TDP of ~7W @ 2GHz
Upto 8MB L2 cache (configurations from 512K upwards) with "MOESI" cache coherency (see AMD64 docs for more on that).
Virtualisation/Hypervisor features
Dual integrated DDR2 memory controllers at ~1066MHz


What was interesting about the X1000 motherboard was the presence of 2 pairs of DDR slots, the arrangement of which would seem to lend itself to the dual DDR2 configuration of the above PA6T specs.

One thing that doesn't stack up is the instruction set architecture version. AFAIK, the PA6T adheres to the v2.04, but the documented info on the X1000 suggests a v2.05 conforming processor is used. It could be there is a newer revision of the PA6T kicking around.

It might explain some of the cloak and dagger antics over the CPU.

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Sounds almost like running a VM.

Well, not really, that's a level beyond even. Many SMT capable OS allow a process to set an affinity for a given core, meaning that that process will run on that core and will never be rescheduled to run on another during it's lifetime.

Such behaviour may be one way of keeping legacy processes together. Anyway, that's pure speculation on my part as I was having a think about how I might tackle the problem.
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2010, 05:08:40 PM »
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An Apple (PA Semi) chip.  Who's an Apple fanboy now?

The PA6T was designed by PA Semi before apple bought them out. PA Semi were a fabless company and never actually manufactured any parts. The post-buyout PA Semi designers went on to design the processor for the iPad, which by all accounts is an ARM derivative.

So, the connection between the PA6T and Apple is what, exactly? That's right. Sweet FA.
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2010, 06:37:26 PM »
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Is not the mil-spec joke getting really Really REALLY old now?


It has become part of amiga.org legend now.

One can only wonder what Shaun would make of this system and it's evil PCIe bus
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2010, 06:57:38 PM »
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Man I wish (?!?) I could dig up some of the ol' Bus Arch Troll's stuff.


Yeah, he was a hoot. In a kind of disturbing and scary way. Someone who really went off their meds, it would seem.

He did have a webpage once. It might be on archive.org, but I can't remember what it was called.
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2010, 07:12:17 PM »
@B00tDisk

Oh. My. God.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://amigaone.f2g.net

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Just read the editorials section *rolling on floor laughing*
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 07:30:58 PM »
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...and in combination with XMOS stuff. IIRC someone at some forum guessed it was them a long time ago already because of this reason? So now it's confirmed...

PA6T was my first wild guess, but it didn't seem likely given that PASemi were bought by apple.

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Wait, you mean someone guessed at Varisys, right?
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2010, 07:58:40 PM »
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Just read the editorials section *rolling on floor laughing*

At the risk of remaining off-topic, I just had a scary thought. Shaun was going on about Zorro VII in 2002. Then he went mental when the A1 specs were announced with it's mongrel PCI/AGP slots and not Zorro VII. He must have gone through some design iterations by now. Assuming he didn't top himself, that is. I mused to myself "perhaps he's up to Zorro X by now". Then it hit me: Zorro X / Xorro. The X1000 has a "Xorro" slot and the XMOS chip has "DIRECT ACCESS" to it...

:nervous:
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2010, 10:33:34 PM »
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No one brings up Cooksey anymore.

Sigh...:(


I'm not entirely sure I remember him...
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2010, 10:43:12 PM »
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two boing balls with a lighthouse on top?


Lighthouse? I thought it was Darth Vader trying to hide behind a punch bag.
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2010, 11:26:29 PM »
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Something like this? http://amigairc.amigarevolution.com/traitors.html


Oh wait... Yes, that does look familiar :roflmao:
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2010, 11:40:17 PM »
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Didn't I point this out to you a few weeks ago? I have no idea what I was searching for though to bring it up :confused:


Yeah, maybe. I can't imagine I stumbled on that by accident :lol:
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Re: A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd Announce Partnership
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2010, 12:34:32 AM »
FFS guys, just do something else for a bit, would you?
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