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Amiga 2000
« on: April 02, 2014, 04:31:51 AM »
So I have been using an Amiga 500 1.3 with a hard drive 2MB ram for a while, and I am happy with it, but it has its limitations.

Today I got a free Amiga 2000 from an Amiga club member. He is moving and downsizing his collection.

We did not know this originally but once booted we discovered that this thing is a beast:

Kickstart 40.63
Workbench 3.1
Cpu 68030 24.20 Mhz
4MB Fast Ram
1MB GVP 32 Bit RAM (don't know what that is)
4MB GVP 32 Bit Ram (Again don't know what that is)
512KB Slow Ram
512 Chip Ram
250 MB Hard drove
CD Rom

Now I love my Amiga 500.  The Amiga 2000 well, its butt ugly (sorry) and the PSU is super loud.  And who knows how reliable it is.

So I am trying to decide if I should invest in maybe a quieter ATX PSU & Amiga Kit cable or should I just transfer the kickstart chip & processor into my A500 (upgrade to 3.1) and  keep the A2000 as a backup.

I want to love this thing but its so dam ugly and loud,  help!
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2014, 06:34:45 AM »
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...we discovered that this thing is a beast:

Kickstart 40.63
Workbench 3.1
Cpu 68030 24.20 Mhz
4MB Fast Ram
1MB GVP 32 Bit RAM (don't know what that is)
4MB GVP 32 Bit Ram (Again don't know what that is)
512KB Slow Ram
512 Chip Ram
250 MB Hard drove
CD Rom

You have a capable machine there.
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The Amiga 2000 well, its butt ugly (sorry) and the PSU is super loud.

:)  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  As for that PSU, none of my A2000's are that loud, so the fan motor in that one may be going bad.

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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2014, 06:41:52 AM »
Sounds like you have some kind of Rev. 4 board or older. I'd do the modification to convert that "slow" ram to chip. Also you can replace the PSU fan with any standard 80mm PC fan. Note when I did this on mine the two wires had to be flipped at the connector, but that might've just been the particular fan I used.

My A2000 gets a lot more use than my A500, more fun to tinker with. Also don't forget to replace the battery with one of those coin cell conversion kits AmigaKit sells. ;)
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 06:49:35 AM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
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Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2014, 06:42:35 AM »
Also: where is your Amiga club located?  :)
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2014, 02:04:45 PM »
Make the A2000 your primary machine.  It is easier to upgrade.  You could transfer the 3.1 ROM to the A500, but not the GVP030 accelerator board with its RAM or the CD-ROM drive.

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So I have been using an Amiga 500 1.3 with a hard drive 2MB ram for a while, and I am happy with it, but it has its limitations.

Today I got a free Amiga 2000 from an Amiga club member. He is moving and downsizing his collection.

We did not know this originally but once booted we discovered that this thing is a beast:

Kickstart 40.63
Workbench 3.1
Cpu 68030 24.20 Mhz
4MB Fast Ram
1MB GVP 32 Bit RAM (don't know what that is)
4MB GVP 32 Bit Ram (Again don't know what that is)
512KB Slow Ram
512 Chip Ram
250 MB Hard drove
CD Rom

Now I love my Amiga 500.  The Amiga 2000 well, its butt ugly (sorry) and the PSU is super loud.  And who knows how reliable it is.

So I am trying to decide if I should invest in maybe a quieter ATX PSU & Amiga Kit cable or should I just transfer the kickstart chip & processor into my A500 (upgrade to 3.1) and  keep the A2000 as a backup.

I want to love this thing but its so dam ugly and loud,  help!
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2014, 02:07:44 PM »
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Also: where is your Amiga club located?  :)


Our club is located in Calgary, Canada.

http://www.amuc.ab.ca
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2014, 02:09:22 PM »
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Sounds like you have some kind of Rev. 4 board or older. I'd do the modification to convert that "slow" ram to chip. Also you can replace the PSU fan with any standard 80mm PC fan. Note when I did this on mine the two wires had to be flipped at the connector, but that might've just been the particular fan I used.

My A2000 gets a lot more use than my A500, more fun to tinker with. Also don't forget to replace the battery with one of those coin cell conversion kits AmigaKit sells. ;)


Oh I am totally going to do that tonight!
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2014, 02:13:16 PM »
I should add the 2000 also came with 2 extra Zorro cards, a PC Board with an 8080 and an extra Hard Disk controller (which I don't think I need)

Is there anything I can do about the hard disk, I am sure it is contributing to the loudness as well and who knows how reliable it is after all these years.  Is there some way to upgrade it to a standard IDE or SATA or CF?
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2014, 02:38:39 PM »
Older SCSI hard drives are easy to get and pretty cheap nowadays.  Your Amiga should be able to handle drives up to 4 GB's in capacity easily.  You probably have an XT Bridgeboard in your machine.  It can share space off of your Amiga HD, although a dedicated HD is more ideal for the PC board.  I believe the GVP Accelerator board on your machine has a SCSI controller which probably is connected to your main hard drive and CD-ROM drive via a daisy-chained SCSI cable.

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I should add the 2000 also came with 2 extra Zorro cards, a PC Board with an 8080 and an extra Hard Disk controller (which I don't think I need)

Is there anything I can do about the hard disk, I am sure it is contributing to the loudness as well and who knows how reliable it is after all these years.  Is there some way to upgrade it to a standard IDE or SATA or CF?
A1000 - 2 Floppies, 2 MB RAM, OS 1.0-1.3
A500 - 170 MB HD, 8 MB RAM, OS 1.3/2.04
A2000 - 350 MB HD, 8 MB RAM, A2630, OS 2.04
A2500 - 540 MB HD, 8 MB RAM, A2630, OS 3.9
A1200 - 20 GB HD, 64 MB RAM, Blizzard IV
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2014, 03:32:21 PM »
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Is there anything I can do about the hard disk, I am sure it is contributing to the loudness as well and who knows how reliable it is after all these years. Is there some way to upgrade it to a standard IDE or SATA or CF?

I ditched the hard drives in my systems and went with CF. The easiest way is with one of the MechWare SCSI card readers, however they're no longer available from him and expensive when they pop up on ebay. You can also use something like the Acard SCSI-to-IDE bridge, that would allow you to use an IDE hard drive. Additional options exist if you're willing to stack a couple adapters, such as SCSI-to-IDE-to-SATA. Although I've never tried this personally you'll find there's users using all different manner of weird ways to connect hard drives to their Amiga's, and each one will tell you that their way is the best. ;)

You can also add an IDE controller card.

Personally I'd avoid any of the old SCSI drives on ebay, I've bought a number of them and they tend to be flakey and near the end of their life. Your mileage may vary. ;)

The XT bridgeboard might be fun if you enjoy messing around with that sort of thing, but of limited practical use. :)
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2014, 04:09:43 PM »
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I ditched the hard drives in my systems and went with CF. The easiest way is with one of the MechWare SCSI card readers, however they're no longer available from him and expensive when they pop up on ebay....


That is by far the coolest A200 I have seen so far.  I like the SCSI card reader idea but I am sure it is going to be hard to find.

Is there anything I should know about which SCSI hard drive would work.  I am guessing it is 80-Pin, but do I need to worry about different SCSI protocols, max size, max speed etc?

For example would this drive works:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1591964&CatId=2346
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2014, 04:45:10 PM »
Most Amiga SCSI controllers use the 50-pin connector (exception being some high end Phase 5 stuff). Any 50-pin drive should be compatible with your GVP controller. You may have to partition it to use only the first 4GB of space (or other limitations) depending on what version of the OS and file system you use. You may be able to get different types to work using adapters, but I have no experience with those.

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Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2014, 04:48:24 PM »
Another option to use CF is a SCSI-to-IDE bridge, then an IDE-to-CF adapter.
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Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2014, 05:04:36 PM »
Like almost everyone else, I'd favor making the A2000 your primary machine.
They are more easily expanded than the A500, and they are nearly bulletproof.
Your PSUs cooling fan is definitely going bad, mine is quite quiet.
They '030 card you have is nice, I only have an '020 processor.
About the only option that you don't have (that I would want) is an RTG video card.
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Re: Amiga 2000
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2014, 05:48:43 PM »
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Another option to use CF is a SCSI-to-IDE bridge, then an IDE-to-CF adapter.


Yah the problem is if I am going to spend $200 I may as well just try to get an Amiga 1200.
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