** HOT FLASH ** EFIKA is now the biggest ever Team Aros Bounty! **

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@bhogget

This is where I think AROS has it wrong. It should concentrate on goals to make it usable rather than have everything dictated by bounties - some of which do nothing to move it forward.

I actually agree with the crux of your message, but you got one main point wrong, which is that "AROS has it wrong": AROS, even if by "AROS" you refer to the group of people that code it, doesn't decide which bounties are to be opened, it's non developers that do that, because they want to incentive the developers to do something that they want to be done. But, in the end, it's still the developer who decides whether or not to take up on a given bounty.

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Well, from a personal PoV you are still to persuade me that AROS has a future

Let's just say that it has about as much future as MOS and AmigaOS4 in their current forms.

I'll let you guess what's my opinion about those other OS's future.

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bhoggett wrote:
While I accept Fabio's point that it is asn't "an AROS decision" because no one makes policy decisions, it is damaging to AROS progress nevertheless. IMHO, the lack of policy making in the AROS project is one of its greatest weaknesses.

Bill,

AROS is Open Source, this means that anyone can take its sources and do whatever he wants with it, even port it to the Efika. On the same fashion, anyone is free to offer as much money as he wants in order to incentive the port: there's an offer waiting for demand, a demand which might not be there at all in the first place.

In fact, if you haven't noticed it, no one has taken up on the bounty yet.

It would be damaging to AROS if and only if

1) someone had taken up on the bounty

and

2) by accepting the bounty, that person would subtract valuable time to other kind of AROS development.


Considering that (1) hasn't happened yet and (2) is quite unlikely to be the case, there's simply no damage being done.

I personally don't have any interest in porting AROS to the Efika, and if I have to go for the money I will certainly go for the bigger one, and that's not the bounty we're talking about.

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@ takemehomegrandma

Hollywood already runs on AROS.

However, AROS itself already runs on the Efika too, albeit under Linux, so what would AROS running on the bare hw offer more than it running under Linux? It will rather offer less: less drivers, no virtual memory (as in swappable memory), less ability to track bugs down by means of a debugger, etc...

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Speed?

AROS hosted isn't slow at all.

More 'real' resources?

What does that mean?

And the fact that if it is not the bes solution you can always have the hosted version on Linux?

If it's not the best solution, why develop it at all?

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pixie wrote:

AROS hosted isn't slow at all.

I would assume, pedantically I may assume it, that it would be slower then AROS native, not meaning by it that it was slow at all

AROS hosted is certainly slower, but on x86 and by a marginal factor. This is essentially due to the fact that AROS native has virtual memory shut off, which saves about 10% or less of speed. As far as I know (but I might be wrong), you can't shut virtual memory off on the PPC.

What does that mean?

That if AROS isn't hosted it bangs for the metal whereas on hosted it doesn't, or atleast it uses linux ones (it was mainly a reference for using swaps memory from linux). On native the resources needed for Linux are gone and only those of AROS are taking into consideration
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But in practical terms, why would that be of your concern? You'll see no disadvantages from that, just advantages.

If it's not the best solution, why develop it at all?

Because the world isn't flat, and if it isn't the best suited tool for one job it might well be for another... take linux, it might not be the best tool for desktop but it is seen as such server wide[/quote]
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If it's best suited for some jobs, better know that in advance rather than find it out only when the port is done: it's not like time and efforts come for free.

So, if you have in mind some things for which AROS natively running on the Efika is better than AROS running within Linux on the Efika, just say it? :-)