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Title: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: XDelusion on January 31, 2012, 07:02:11 PM
(http://www.amiga.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=132&pictureid=854)

At present there are not too many games that run, but the speed is there. As Fish was saying, it is possible to modify the sources so that will more games such as Half-Life can be played, also I guess OpenGL can be made to work, though I've had trouble getting games to run smoothly in GlMode under DosBOX on Windows, but maybe there's something I'm missing.

Sadly, Fish is having computer troubles, so it may be a while till we see any advances, but in the mean time I figured I'd upload this little photo just to show that Windows can indeed be ran inside of AROS! :)

Photo taken on a machine running at 2.6Ghz.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: trekiej on January 31, 2012, 07:08:17 PM
Cool.
I may give it a try.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: runequester on January 31, 2012, 07:10:26 PM
wait, so is that AROS running Dosbox running windows?
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: commodorejohn on January 31, 2012, 07:21:44 PM
Is that ME? Oh my God tell me that's not ME.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Mequa on January 31, 2012, 08:24:53 PM
Looks like Windows 95 or perhaps a cut-down 98. I have seen a modified version of Windows 98 with 98lite running on DOSBox cross-platform, so assuming the AROS port of DOSBox is feature-complete it should be possible to emulate Windows 98 under AROS. It is much slower than native though or a decent VM.

Not sure about ME, 98lite also works with ME, but NT-based Windows such as 2000, XP and above are not compatible with DOSBox as it doesn't provide the necessary complete Pentium instruction set.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: XDelusion on January 31, 2012, 08:34:30 PM
It's  98lite, and yes in DosBox on AROS.

Next release should have glide/GL support.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: haywirepc on January 31, 2012, 09:56:52 PM
Whatever the windows version, its great news. Windows 95/98 can run tons of apps...

xp would be better, but your not doing that in dosbox. Its a start.

AROS getting closer to day to day machine every day. I hope and pray for better browsing and more productivity apps.... Every day I pray.

Of course I also pray for smp, a kickass video editing package, some kickass music applications and other things that may never happen...

Being able to substitute windows apps in the meantime would be great.

Steven
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: B00tDisk on January 31, 2012, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Mequa;678478
Looks like Windows 95 or perhaps a cut-down 98. I have seen a modified version of Windows 98 with 98lite running on DOSBox cross-platform, so assuming the AROS port of DOSBox is feature-complete it should be possible to emulate Windows 98 under AROS. It is much slower than native though or a decent VM.

Not sure about ME, 98lite also works with ME, but NT-based Windows such as 2000, XP and above are not compatible with DOSBox as it doesn't provide the necessary complete Pentium instruction set.


Hmm, NT4 requires a '486 instruction set and 12mb RAM to run (having run it on a P120 with 24mb RAM though I can tell you that ain't exactly "true"), but clearly if DOSBox has the full ia32/80486 instruction code emulated, or at least all of the calls trapped, it can be run as long as your primary partition is FAT16 (IIRC; it's been a decade since I touched NT4).
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Kesa on January 31, 2012, 10:26:51 PM
Congrats to DosBOX!

But i don't understand. If you want to use Windows why not use Windows?   :confused:

There are credible reasons why WinUae is used such as not being able or willing to own classic hardware so i can understand people using it as a substitute for the real thing. But emulating Windows on AROS seems like a waste of effort somehow. I just don't know...

PS I also think it *YAWNS*  is boring.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: XDelusion on January 31, 2012, 10:37:49 PM
I have 1 reason and one reason only...

To run Half-Life, Dark Forces II, and Drac's Shadow (a suped up clone of Castlevania II).

Many old Win95 games are problematic in XP and 7, plus I'm looking for ways to avoid having a dedicated Windows machine in my house.

Besides, the next Amiga Commodore had planned was supposed to be able to run Workbench, Mac OS, and Windows...

I'd say AROS (bugs aside) is the closest to achieving that dream in particular, though I'll be happier once MorphOS is converted to Arm or X86 and will have faster hardware available to pull off such feats as well! MorphOS is just solid all around.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: orange on January 31, 2012, 10:40:41 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;678473
Is that ME? Oh my God tell me that's not ME.


wouldn't that be ultimate achievement? if it could run ME, it could run anything!
:)
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Templario on January 31, 2012, 11:04:27 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;678467
(http://www.amiga.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=132&pictureid=854)

At present there are not too many games that run, but the speed is there. As Fish was saying, it is possible to modify the sources so that will more games such as Half-Life can be played, also I guess OpenGL can be made to work, though I've had trouble getting games to run smoothly in GlMode under DosBOX on Windows, but maybe there's something I'm missing.

Sadly, Fish is having computer troubles, so it may be a while till we see any advances, but in the mean time I figured I'd upload this little photo just to show that Windows can indeed be ran inside of AROS! :)

Photo taken on a machine running at 2.6Ghz.
An easy question, I saw your screenshoot, DosBox runs software but this is under img, how I can make this images, because it is How the other virtual machines on Windows? aslo I'll like run DR-DOS the best PC Dos system.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: XDelusion on January 31, 2012, 11:59:37 PM
Quote from: Templario;678497
An easy question, I saw your screenshoot, DosBox runs software but this is under img, how I can make this images, because it is How the other virtual machines on Windows? aslo I'll like run DR-DOS the best PC Dos system.

Are you asking me how to take a screen shot in AROS?

At work, will have to get back to you about Dr. Dos.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: smerf on February 01, 2012, 03:01:46 AM
Quote from: Kesa;678488
Congrats to DosBOX!

But i don't understand. If you want to use Windows why not use Windows?   :confused:

There are credible reasons why WinUae is used such as not being able or willing to own classic hardware so i can understand people using it as a substitute for the real thing. But emulating Windows on AROS seems like a waste of effort somehow. I just don't know...

PS I also think it *YAWNS*  is boring.


Hi,

@Kesa

"But i don't understand. If you want to use Windows why not use Windows?"

Because these Loonies, would rather use Dosbox to run windows, they think they made a big accomplishment.


DUHHHHH!!!!  Look I am running window in AROS when I could just as easily run windows on this machine.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!


Next they will be showing windows running on a MAC. Going WOW I am running windows on a MAC.

smerf (LOL)
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: XDelusion on February 01, 2012, 03:33:22 AM
Quote from: Templario;678497
An easy question, I saw your screenshoot, DosBox runs software but this is under img, how I can make this images, because it is How the other virtual machines on Windows? aslo I'll like run DR-DOS the best PC Dos system.


Um... Windows 98 ain't supported by modern hardware dork! :)
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Kesa on February 01, 2012, 03:54:32 AM
Quote from: smerf;678511
Hi,

@Kesa

Because these Loonies, would rather use Dosbox to run windows, they think they made a big accomplishment.

DUHHHHH!!!!  Look I am running window in AROS when I could just as easily run windows on this machine.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!


I agree (apart from the sarcasm).

A Windows PC running AROS that's running Windows. My question is how many PC's does it take to change a lightbulb?  :roflmao:

On a more serious note I think it is sad the only thing AROS (whom many consider the future of the Amiga) is good for is running a Windows emulator. What else can AROS do? Show me something interesting.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: XDelusion on February 01, 2012, 04:03:18 AM
Well...

Better ask an AROS fan. While I'm hopeful that it improves, there's not much about it in it's present state that I'm really enthusiastic about aside of the screen drag feature.

I just use it as a beta Amiga like environment to run high end emulators in, that's about it...

Maybe I'm missing something though?

MorphOS on the other hand is what I hope free little old AROS lives up to some day.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Kesa on February 01, 2012, 04:09:40 AM
Quote from: XDelusion;678515
Well...

Better ask an AROS fan. While I'm hopeful that it improves, there's not much about it in it's present state that I'm really enthusiastic about aside of the screen drag feature.

I just use it as a beta Amiga like environment to run high end emulators in, that's about it...

Maybe I'm missing something though?

MorphOS on the other hand is what I hope free little old AROS lives up to some day.

We seem to be on the same wave length. I too think Morphos is what AROS should aspire to even though they run on crapples. Morphos is a fine product. But we must not forget that without the AROS people Morphos wouldn't be where it is today so we should not be quick to insult their efforts and hard work.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: bloodline on February 01, 2012, 07:10:38 AM
Quote from: Kesa;678516
We seem to be on the same wave length. I too think Morphos is what AROS should aspire to even though they run on crapples. Morphos is a fine product. But we must not forget that without the AROS people Morphos wouldn't be where it is today so we should not be quick to insult their efforts and hard work.
The reverse is also true, the MorphOS guys returned the AROS sources they used with bug fixes and improvements.

I love AROS :)
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: fishy_fiz on February 01, 2012, 08:20:31 AM
Quote from: Kesa;678514
I agree (apart from the sarcasm).

A Windows PC running AROS that's running Windows. My question is how many PC's does it take to change a lightbulb?  :roflmao:

On a more serious note I think it is sad the only thing AROS (whom many consider the future of the Amiga) is good for is running a Windows emulator. What else can AROS do? Show me something interesting.


That's just dumb (not surprising considering it was you who said it). An x86 machine *isnt* a windows mchine. Yes it runs windows, but its not a "windows machine". Also who says this is all AROS is good for? Youre the single most stupid person Ive ever seen post on amiga sites, and apparently ignorant and the sort of person who will comment on things they clearly havent even tried. Youre not exactly a winner are you, and proud of it for some reason.

Virtualisation is pretty huge these days and this is the best, most usable x86 emulation on any amigoid system by a long margin. This is an amiga site, hence the reason why people may find this interesting.
Seriously, what do people want of the amiga? To piss developers off with thier lack of gratitude, and/or a desire to mock anyone who uses thier efforts and/or amiga in general? This is how it appears.

Some peole dont have windows boxes, or run dedicated machines per os, in which case its quite handy to have the ability to run some software they like without switching machines.

I cant say Ive ever seen any linux forums complain/mock the use of running Wndows or Windows software on Linux. Mac users tout the fact you can run Windows on that hardware, yet amiga fans instead mock, condescend and so on when someone makes an effort to try to bring this sort of functionality to thier platforms.

Thank you for enjoying my hard work though XDelusion.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: fishy_fiz on February 01, 2012, 08:34:14 AM
MOS is no more functional than AROS either for the record and there's just a much stuff that is better on AROS than MOS. Yes AROS is in a lot of ways more humble, but end results are often much better on AROS. The both have pros and cons.

Video is much better on AROS (lets see mos try to run even one good quality 1080p video, let alone 2). Video/audio encoding is orders of magnitudes times slower, custom chipset 68k emulation is about 10x slower (or more) on my 1.5ghz mac mini vs. my 4 year old aros box, compiling is faster on aros, running multiple heavy software on aros is a much better experience, and so on and so forth. Yes MOS is more mature, but aros has its own advantages especially when it comes to hardware intensive stuff, where MOS is about as far behnd aros as classic are to mos hardware. Lets see MOS run cube2 with pixel shaders. Oh, wait, no it cant. How about 1920x1080 in 32 bit color? Oh Wow, slidewhow.

Im perfectly happy to admit there's just as many advantages in MOS's favor, but this whole delusion (and thats what it is) of granduer thing from some MOS people is just as annoying as any other nonsense that goes on in the amiga world.

Now this isnt to say I dont like MOS, I actually do and wouldnt have a MOS machine if I didnt, but Im so ****ing sick of all this bull**** I couldnt help but to comment.
Have you even used MOS Kesa to be able to comment?
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: paolone on February 01, 2012, 09:23:57 AM
Quote from: Kesa;678514
A Windows PC running AROS that's running Windows. My question is how many PC's does it take to change a lightbulb?  :roflmao:

Well, dude, if you can't even understand the basics of emulation/virtualization, and evaluate how much interesting can be virtualizing older Windows versions (which, indeed, don't actually work on the bare metal anymore, on modern computers), then you don't seem quite entitled to laugh. And I wonder... how many Kesa it take to change a lightbulb?

Quote
On a more serious note I think it is sad the only thing AROS (whom many consider the future of the Amiga) is good for is running a Windows emulator. What else can AROS do? Show me something interesting.

AROS can do pretty much the same things other Amiganoid OSes can do, just quicker, faster and cheaper. From the value POV (features for the price) ratio is unbeatable, and already includes some better technologies than the others. And it gives you even more freedom, since you can choose between different distributors, different platforms, even different architectures, spanning from classic Amigas (M68K) to modern PCs (x86 or x86-64), and including many other gadgets like tablets and smartphones (ARM). It can even work on some PPC systems, just for the records.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Kesa on February 01, 2012, 10:53:31 AM
Quote from: fishy_fiz;678537
That's just dumb (not surprising considering it was you who said it). An x86 machine *isnt* a windows mchine. Yes it runs windows, but its not a "windows machine". Also who says this is all AROS is good for? Youre the single most stupid person Ive ever seen post on amiga sites, and apparently ignorant and the sort of person who will comment on things they clearly havent even tried. Youre not exactly a winner are you, and proud of it for some reason.

Virtualisation is pretty huge these days and this is the best, most usable x86 emulation on any amigoid system by a long margin. This is an amiga site, hence the reason why people may find this interesting.
Seriously, what do people want of the amiga? To piss developers off with thier lack of gratitude, and/or a desire to mock anyone who uses thier efforts and/or amiga in general? This is how it appears.

Some peole dont have windows boxes, or run dedicated machines per os, in which case its quite handy to have the ability to run some software they like without switching machines.

I cant say Ive ever seen any linux forums complain/mock the use of running Wndows or Windows software on Linux. Mac users tout the fact you can run Windows on that hardware, yet amiga fans instead mock, condescend and so on when someone makes an effort to try to bring this sort of functionality to thier platforms.

Thank you for enjoying my hard work though XDelusion.

OK i can see how you can be annoyed by me criticizing your work (didn't mean to) but that still doesn't excuse this childish response. I was going to apologize for offending your work as i didn't mean to but your response doesn't deserve it.

So you don't think x86 is a windows box? Like **** it's not. When was the last time you walked into a computer store that sold x86 computers that didn't have windows installed or at least an option to upgrade/install to?

I never said running windows was all AROS was good for. Where did that come from?  Please, get your head out your arse and stop making things up.

For the record if really want to know. Yes i think if the only thing AROS could do was run pretend windows then i would think AROS would be a waste of time for anyone. I would like to think AROS could do more than that. It would be hard to impress someone with what AROS Amigas could do if the only thing they could do was run windows. That's going to impress noone. Like i said if you are going to promote AROS at least show that it can do something interesting.  

You think i am stupid? what about you? Resorting to childish name calling to call someone else stupid would seem to indicate that you are the stupid one. If you love windows so much why not just use windows? This is an Amiga forum not a windows forum. It's a no brainer to me. I mean, can you get any dumber?

As for the Morphos remark. I have been using Morphos for about 6 months.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Kesa on February 01, 2012, 10:55:41 AM
Quote from: fishy_fiz;678539
MOS is no more functional than AROS either for the record and there's just a much stuff that is better on AROS than MOS. Yes AROS is in a lot of ways more humble, but end results are often much better on AROS. The both have pros and cons.

Video is much better on AROS (lets see mos try to run even one good quality 1080p video, let alone 2). Video/audio encoding is orders of magnitudes times slower, custom chipset 68k emulation is about 10x slower (or more) on my 1.5ghz mac mini vs. my 4 year old aros box, compiling is faster on aros, running multiple heavy software on aros is a much better experience, and so on and so forth. Yes MOS is more mature, but aros has its own advantages especially when it comes to hardware intensive stuff, where MOS is about as far behnd aros as classic are to mos hardware. Lets see MOS run cube2 with pixel shaders. Oh, wait, no it cant. How about 1920x1080 in 32 bit color? Oh Wow, slidewhow.

Im perfectly happy to admit there's just as many advantages in MOS's favor, but this whole delusion (and thats what it is) of granduer thing from some MOS people is just as annoying as any other nonsense that goes on in the amiga world.

Now this isnt to say I dont like MOS, I actually do and wouldnt have a MOS machine if I didnt, but Im so ****ing sick of all this bull**** I couldnt help but to comment.
Have you even used MOS Kesa to be able to comment?

Sick of what bull****?

I'm sensing you need a girlfriend?  :confused:
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Kesa on February 01, 2012, 11:09:38 AM
Quote from: paolone;678545
Well, dude, if you can't even understand the basics of emulation/virtualization, and evaluate how much interesting can be virtualizing older Windows versions (which, indeed, don't actually work on the bare metal anymore, on modern computers), then you don't seem quite entitled to laugh. And I wonder... how many Kesa it take to change a lightbulb?



AROS can do pretty much the same things other Amiganoid OSes can do, just quicker, faster and cheaper. From the value POV (features for the price) ratio is unbeatable, and already includes some better technologies than the others. And it gives you even more freedom, since you can choose between different distributors, different platforms, even different architectures, spanning from classic Amigas (M68K) to modern PCs (x86 or x86-64), and including many other gadgets like tablets and smartphones (ARM). It can even work on some PPC systems, just for the records.

I'm sorry if i offended you. I do know the difference between emulation and virtualization i just don't care. It's not for me. I don't use amigas to run windows, i use amigas because i like amigas. I just thought all that effort of emulating/virtualization just to run windows on amigas was funny. Especially when it would be far simpler and easier just to use the real thing. It's still funny!  

Other than that i stand by what i said. If AROS is going to be taken seriously it needs to show that it can do more than run windows.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: fishy_fiz on February 01, 2012, 11:41:15 AM
Quote from: Kesa;678553

So you don't think x86 is a windows box? Like **** it's not. When was the last time you walked into a computer store that sold x86 computers that didn't have windows installed or at least an option to upgrade/install to?


Never once in over 20 years of using x86 hardware have I bought x86 hardware with Windows installed. Yes its an option, but so is MacOSX, Linux, BeOS, Zeta, *BSD, QNX, Syllable, Haiku, and about a million others.

Yes, I may have been a bit over the top in calling you stupid, but I just call it as I see it.
Now as for:
Quote
Other than that i stand by what i said. If AROS is going to be taken seriously it needs to show that it can do more than run windows.

well, that just reinforces my belief about you being, lets say "intellectually challenged". Where was it suggested this is all it can do? The thread was simply about the fact that it *can* be done. Threads about a particular something someone has been playing with typically dont cover ever thing an OS can do.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: tone007 on February 01, 2012, 12:03:08 PM
Kesa comes with a disclaimer in his avatar.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: gertsy on February 01, 2012, 12:48:28 PM
Quote from: tone007;678565
Kesa comes with a disclaimer in his avatar.


The method would be masturbation, no doubt?

LOL.

x86 doesnt mean Windows these days.  As pointed out.  As to virtualisation I think (Apart from DR) that it's a false economy.  Though its taken me 10 years to get to that position.  Same as VDI.  Licensing regs strip any ROI bare.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Kesa on February 01, 2012, 01:09:00 PM
Quote from: fishy_fiz;678559
Never once in over 20 years of using x86 hardware have I bought x86 hardware with Windows installed. Yes its an option, but so is MacOSX, Linux, BeOS, Zeta, *BSD, QNX, Syllable, Haiku, and about a million others.

Yes, I may have been a bit over the top in calling you stupid, but I just call it as I see it.
Now as for:

well, that just reinforces my belief about you being, lets say "intellectually challenged". Where was it suggested this is all it can do? The thread was simply about the fact that it *can* be done. Threads about a particular something someone has been playing with typically dont cover ever thing an OS can do.

You can't even tell the difference between windows and amigas and you are calling me intellectually challenged?

Where was it suggested this is all it can do? Well i'm just calling it as i see it. Going by you it is nothing more than a silly way to use crappy windows. You say it can do more? Prove it.

Has it occurred to you that you are wasting your time with dosbox for Amiga and maybe you should actually do something worthwhile with your time? Like maybe actually making something people want? Do you really think people want to use their amigas to run windows? You are in no position to call anyone stupid except for yourself. Like i said before: please get your head out your arse.  

@Gertsy. Where have you been? LOL
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: fishy_fiz on February 01, 2012, 02:12:10 PM
Hmm,... someone starts a thread about what theyre using Dosbox for, and you suggest people have no interest in it. You dont see the irony here? There's also ports to OS3, os4, wos, mos besides the AROS port, so again, it suggest people are interested in it.

Youve also suggested that I dont know the difference between Windows and Amigas. Now apart from "huh?" I have to respond here by saying about 3 sentences later you
say, "Do you really think people want to use their amigas to run windows". Maybe try rereading what you write?

Also as for, "Has it occurred to you that you are wasting your time with dosbox for Amiga and maybe you should actually do something worthwhile with your time?"..... hmm,.... this thread is started by someone else, not me, so obviously some people are interested. Also, remind me, how are you contributing again exacty?

I could pull your posts apart until the cows come home, but unfortunately I doubt youre bright enough to even get why most of what you type demonstrates your,... err,.... challenges.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: haywirepc on February 01, 2012, 03:10:38 PM
Personally, I'm glad he posted that. I'd heard dosbox could run windows 95/98 but I haven't tried it myself.

It IS useful if your runnnig aros on a machine and want to, say write a word document for work or something that requires windows. You don't have to reboot or switch machines just load the virtual windows and do it.

Besides that, nerds don't jokingly call it wintendo for nothing, there is thousands and thousands of games it can run.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: XDelusion on February 01, 2012, 07:32:38 PM
Wtf happened to my thread?!? :)
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: persia on February 01, 2012, 08:47:31 PM
Nowadays I often forget which Machine is virtual and which isn't.  Hopefully they'll integrate DosBox like VMWare or VirtualBox on the Mac, where the Windows app runs in it's own Window and looks like just another application.  I run MS Access that way at work when I need it.....
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Kesa on February 01, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;678633
Wtf happened to my thread?!? :)

This was your thread? Dunno. Fishy had a turn and went   :insane:

*whispers* don't tell anyone ;) but i think he might be retarded  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: amigadave on February 01, 2012, 09:17:45 PM
Having a port of DOS_Box for AROS, MorphOS, or OS4.x is a great idea, so thanks for your efforts fishy_fiz.

It helps solve the problem of limited modern software that can be run on all NG Amiga systems.

Having more software that can be run is always a good thing.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Methuselas on February 01, 2012, 09:20:21 PM
Quote from: orange;678492
wouldn't that be ultimate achievement? if it could run ME, it could run anything!
:)


+1


LULZ!


Okay AROS, you have my attention. :)
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Methuselas on February 01, 2012, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;678515
Well...

MorphOS on the other hand is what I hope free little old AROS lives up to some day.

+1

Yeah, not that I don't love the Hyperion guys for OS4, but the hardware is just too expensive for me to have. MorphOS is gorgeous in my opinion, but I don't care to run it on old, Mac hardware.

I'd like to have an Amiga that I can use for simple, everyday stuff and use my Windows machine solely as my work box. Everyone wants the same thing, for the most part: Modern Browser, Flash support, OpenGL, etc. Better, for me, to have it be of PC parts.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: haywirepc on February 01, 2012, 10:05:20 PM
I agree something like wine for aros would be great.

On the dream of the "everyday amiga machine.."
I agree, but creating (or even porting) a flash capable modern browser has proven difficult.

What I'm very interested in seeing is AEROS. Being able to run amiga 68k apps, linux apps, dos apps, and windows apps... That would be the most ideal solution if you ask me.

For now I'm fine with having one aros box I fiddle with every now and then, but my everyday machine is linux... I can do pretty much anyting I want, except the more demanding windows games so I just reboot for my wintendo.

Steven
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Mequa on February 01, 2012, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;678513
Um... Windows 98 ain't supported by modern hardware dork! :)

Windows 98 runs fine on MS Virtual PC on newer Windows (albeit without 3D acceleration). It works under VMWare and VirtualBox too, but I'm not sure about VM additions.

I got Windows 98 booting natively on my Acer Aspire One netbook using "safe mode" graphics. So barebones 98 can run natively on some modern hardware, just without any decent driver support (basic graphics, no sound, no networking etc.).
Of course a VM is the way forward for retro Windows. I use Virtual PC to run 98 on my netbook on Windows XP/7 so I can run classic apps like Mensa Ultimate Challenge, Sophie's World and Kai's Power Goo.

DOSBox is all fine and dandy and indeed runs 98, but IMO, AROS needs a better VM ported, since DOSBox gives much slower CPU performance than native.


P.S. I'm not sure about NT4 on DOSBox, but NT5 (Windows 2000/XP) certainly does not work.
I'm also not sure about ME + 98lite patch, I know ME works with 98lite, but I'm not sure if DOSBox could handle it.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: XDelusion on February 02, 2012, 12:07:35 AM
Good to see we're back on topic. :)

For the note, I've been busy recording video showing the strengths and weaknesses of both MorphOS and AROS. I will try to eat well and get plenty of rest so that the video remains as unbiased as possible. When they are done I'll post them on YouTube and link to them in a separate thread. I think it should be interesting.

Back to topic, I'll put up guides on how to set Win98 and such in DosBox soonish for those interested in doing this themselves.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: haywirepc on February 02, 2012, 12:51:11 AM
Yes please do post a tutorial on howto do this....
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: J-Golden on February 02, 2012, 01:08:25 AM
This is very impressive!  I have a Flight sim (X-wing Alliance) that refuses to work on modern video cards.  I wondering how well this would play through Dosbox on AROS?  I'd be super sweet since there is still a strong modding community behind it that is updating the graphics!

Keep up the good work and please keep up informed!
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: B00tDisk on February 02, 2012, 01:42:58 AM
For the haters in this thread, one of the things that attracted me to the Amiga in the first place was the ability to run Mac OS and DOS and early flavors of Windows without any trouble.  Same for all of my amiga-using friends back in the day.  But now that's not good enough...?

Eh.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Thorham on February 02, 2012, 02:20:43 AM
Quote from: B00tDisk;678706
For the haters in this thread, one of the things that attracted me to the Amiga in the first place was the ability to run Mac OS and DOS and early flavors of Windows without any trouble.  Same for all of my amiga-using friends back in the day.  But now that's not good enough...?
What's the point when everyone has a peecee anyway? Back in the day it made sense, because you didn't want to buy a peecee. Having a good dos emulator on a suitably expanded Amiga meant you could use software you otherwise couldn't run, but today? Hmm...
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: amigadave on February 02, 2012, 02:31:21 AM
Quote from: Thorham;678710
What's the point when everyone has a peecee anyway? Back in the day it made sense, because you didn't want to buy a peecee. Having a good dos emulator on a suitably expanded Amiga meant you could use software you otherwise couldn't run, but today? Hmm...

Even though almost everyone here owns 2 or more computers and likely has at least one PC that has Windows installed on it, that does not change the desire of many to go back to running only one computer that can do almost everything instead of running multiple computers.  So I would say that even though things have changed from those old days of the Amiga with a Bridgeboard, or PCTask and Shapeshifter, the desire to run many different systems from just one computer has not changed much.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: haywirepc on February 02, 2012, 02:41:34 AM
Maybe its a nerd thing, but I love my linux box because it can run dos, c64,linux, windows and amiga programs all together. Its like having all the best software from all different systems all on one system, and thats very attractive. Every great amiga game I like, every great old dos game, whatever windows apps I need for work or whatever, all working point and click...

I also recently started tinkering with tandy color computer emulator, before amiga that was my main rig, because my dad worked part time at radio shack and they sold cocos (and crappy tandy 1000's) not c64's...
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: B00tDisk on February 02, 2012, 02:44:41 AM
Quote from: Thorham;678710
What's the point when everyone has a peecee anyway? Back in the day it made sense, because you didn't want to buy a peecee. Having a good dos emulator on a suitably expanded Amiga meant you could use software you otherwise couldn't run, but today? Hmm...


Because it's neat?  Because it's handy?  Because it's tinkering with your computer and it's fun?  Because it's a smaller desktop footprint?  Because it requires less resources to do?  Because it's free to try out?  The list goes on and on.

Look at it from the other end: the Amiga "community", all some-thousand of them, certainly can't afford to lose users, so what do you tell the PC guy who wants to come aboard?  What can you entice him with if nothing else than easy migration of data, or data sharing?  What do you tell him when he says "Yeah but I can run WinUAE and have 99% of all the Amiga software on my PC right there."?
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Thorham on February 02, 2012, 02:47:53 AM
Man, I wasn't thinking... Good points guys :)
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: smerf on February 02, 2012, 03:18:20 AM
Hi,

@Kesa,

"It would be hard to impress someone with what AROS Amigas could do if the only thing they could do was run windows. That's going to impress noone. Like i said if you are going to promote AROS at least show that it can do something interesting. "


Ahhh listen here, it is the only app that they can run that does something, you have to give them credit for that, it is just that all the really smart people just install Windows on a PC like it was suppossed to be installed. I mean I am not really trying to tarnish their efforts of running Windows on AROS of which AROS is being run on a PC machine. This was really a clever idea. Linux has been trying to do it for years and is still having troubles.

Just think if they can really make it happen, and get windows 7 running on AROS they could play all the new latest games, and get the blue screen of death.

smerf
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: smerf on February 02, 2012, 03:29:01 AM
Hi,

@haywirepc,

How did you get windows to load games from the CD/DVD rom drive, the old smerf has been playing with this for 2 years now, and every time it says insert cd disk 2 or 3 or whatever, Linux just forgets what it is doing and won't find them. Thats why I just duel boot and play my windows games on windows, and leave Linux for all my data and important junk. Once I get past the CDrom thingy, I hope to start running windows games on Linux and say screw Windows.

but I do agree with you that Linux looks like the best of all worlds, and emulation.

smerf

Save your old Amiga hardware, run Cloanto's Amiga Forever and C64 the little price you pay is not worth the frustration of getting all the right stuff for UAE.

Get rid of high prices and stupid computing and destroy a MAC today.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: XDelusion on February 02, 2012, 03:31:56 AM
I'll put it this way.

I'd rather be running Windows under an Amiga-Esque environment, than Amiga under a Windows environment. That being said, all this business is just plain old fun and show cases some of the advantages that come with having support for faster hardware.
That is to say x86 hardware that can take advantage of UAE and DosBox's JIT, unlike PPC, ARM, etc. At least for the time being, I guess there is work being done to bring UAE's JIT to PPC. Until then certain emulators are always going to drag on non-x86 hardware no matter how good the OS may be or how fast the CPU.
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: Thorham on February 02, 2012, 03:34:37 AM
Quote from: smerf;678721
Save your old Amiga hardware, run Cloanto's Amiga Forever
Why would I want to have my Amiga gather gust in some corner? My asvice: Use your old Amiga hardware and have fun doing so, that's what Amigas are for :)
Title: Re: Look what DosBOX can do!!
Post by: XDelusion on February 02, 2012, 06:14:42 AM
Quote from: Thorham;678723
Why would I want to have my Amiga gather gust in some corner? My asvice: Use your old Amiga hardware and have fun doing so, that's what Amigas are for :)


Ditto, in regards to classic Amiga. Nothing beats the real deal...

Unlike Windows or DOS. ;)