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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Marcb on August 14, 2009, 02:47:21 PM
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There are a few possibilities for running an AmigaOS or a derivative either already available or in the works.
What do you see yourself using in the future and why?
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I'll probably still be on my classic A1200 running 3.x, though I might have moved from 3.1 to 3.5 or 3.9 and I'll probably have managed to grab an accelerator for it. I haven't really any plans as of yet to use 4.x or a derivative.
Reason being that I'm really in the whole Amiga scene for the classic Amiga, its aesthetic, and its uses (early 90s games, DPaint, and quite possibly one of the best OSes ever especially given its age =P), and don't have any plans to move to modern AmigaOS-based systems right now. Truth be told, I don't really need such things when I've got my IBM PC-compatible (lol archaic term) running Linux. (Feel free to point out reasons!)
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There are a few possibilities for running an AmigaOS or a derivative either already available or in the works.
What do you see yourself using in the future and why?
Do you mean specifically Amiga related usage? If so, then I'm afraid none.
I've gone Mac about 3 years ago now and never looked back. I run Parallels for the one, single task I can't do under MacOS (a news aggregator program), and I've got WinUAE loaded but literally haven't fired it up in... well I really don't know how long it's been...
About the closest I think I'll get is looking for a CD32 in good condition and a few fun games.
In my truly humble opinion, I feel the time for AmigaOS to actually move forward has passed by with a whisper. Unless a multi-billionaire wants to have a weird hobby/tax-write-off of rewriting AmigaOS for real hardware (non PPC) like Apple did with OS X, I'm afraid we're going nowhere.
That is to say this is MY PERSONAL opinion.
That doesn't mean that anyone who still enjoys AmigaOS should change in any way. I simply can't think of a single, legitimate use for it any more, which is a shame because in 2000 when the current reign started, I could still see a huge market in embedded devices and things like TiVo clones.
Unfortunately that time has passed.
Wayne
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No AROS option... That is the last vestage of Amiga for me really... I've moved all my music production to Mac and can now run all my favourite Amiga games natively on my iPhone... The Amiga is dead for me :(
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No AROS option... That is the last vestage of Amiga for me really... I've moved all my music production to Mac and can now run all my favourite Amiga games natively on my iPhone... The Amiga is dead for me :(
That's sad to hear really. Completely understandable, but a bit sad. AROS was about the only chance the OS had (in a related way anyway).
Wayne
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I'm divided between Purist and Pancakes.
And just like the Amiga, pancakes come with different flavors of suryp to pour on and enjoy. ;)
I use my PC for most all my daily computing needs. My Amigas are a hobby.
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Slightly limited poll options ;-)
In a year's time I'll still be using OS4.x on my A1, or if that dies, on a Sam.
Yes, it's slower than a Mac or other x86 machine but there's a limit to how fast I type (especially when coding ;-) )
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Samantha & OS4.1 for me :-)
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Oops, I inadvertedly left Aros out...
I am sticking with the classic Amigas, not because I resist change but because I still get a buzz out of using them. Sure, I jump on the pc when I have work to do or need to burn a dvd/cd but for pure indulgent me time, I can't go past the Amiga.
I am curious about MorphOs though so will give that a go eventually :)
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Slightly limited poll options ;-)
:) I have a limited imagination!
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I'm hoping, or either dreaming, that the Netami will be out next year. If so, I'll buy one!!
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I'll eventually get a SAM or (hopefully something more powerful will come along) to
run 4.1 with. But really, the legacy Amiga systems are where it's at for me. I do use
my A2500 for a lot of modern things. Why? Because it can. Especially newsgroup
reading, mail and surfing. For me, it's about using the original hardware in ways I
never have before. The Deneb is a great example of this. So is the accelerated video
card. The machine seems like two machines really... the Desktop environment and
then the 15khz games aspect. OS3.9 is new to me (even though I've had it for 7 years)
as far as my every day Amiga usage goes and I'm still pretty thrilled with it. The fact
that there's an Aminet repository really makes ownership of a legacy Amiga totally
legitimate for usage as an every day machine. Tinkering around with or not, I'm
still "using" the system in the literal sense. While I do use my Mac's to burn a DVD
or CD or transfer music files ala iTunes & my iPod, there's really not too much I can
think of that I can't get my Amiga to do. Stuff that *I* personally use a computer for
I'm talking about. If I was more serious into electronic music, I guess I'd learn to use
Garageband more. If I was more serious about using all the crap that came with my
$1800 Adobe suite, I guess I'd take better pictures worth editing in the first place. But
as they sit now, the Mac stuff is pretty useless to me. Going back and using programs
on the Amiga I never got a chance to in the past is where a lot of the fun is. They're
more compelling to learn than a modern program IMO. Deluxe Music and MIDI for
example. On an A500 with 3mb RAM no less.
The legacy Amiga computers work and they work extremely well. From the minute
you turn them on to actually working with and loading programs - they're quick. Way
snappier than my Mac. To be honest and this may seem like a lame excuse to some, I
hate opening any of that Adobe stuff up on my G5 2.1ghz Mac. It especially takes
forever for Photoshop to load and when it does, I still don't know how to fully use the
damn thing. And Dreamweaver?!? Bah. Guess it's time to take some courses, or stick
with iWeb & iPhoto ;-)
Bottom line - I will get a 4.1 system someday and I suspect I'll be just as tickled with
it as I was when I got my first A1000 with OS1.1. I want an alternative to the Mac and
I've been PeeCee free forever now. I would and plan on using an OS4.1 system truly
as an everyday computer. Be nice to not even use a Mac to be honest. The uniqueness
is gone with the release of 10.5. My system feels like a bloated and inefficient
PeeCee clone.
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That's sad to hear really. Completely understandable, but a bit sad. AROS was about the only chance the OS had (in a related way anyway).
Wayne
I'm still gonna hang around, and I still enjoy hacking away with AROS in old hardware that I should have thrown away years ago! I'll keep all my old classic equipment to show the grandkids... But I don't have a need for any amiga software so I won't power up my old machines and I don't need to run UAE...
If Jens gets out something from the cloneA projet I probably will get one...
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I'll enjoy gaming and things like DPaint and trackers on my classics, hack around with Aros & stuff like hivelytracker running on top of it and maybe get MorphOS for my Mini.
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I like the classic and already have one, I think it would be my only Amiga system for a while until the economy gets better and then I'll decide between the SAM and (if available by then) the Mac Mini MorphOS port.
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I plan to have less Amigas in a year.
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My Mac Mini waits for the MorphOS release. But my Efika and Pegaos will probably to continue to work next year, too.
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Hopefully I'll have my A3000D, once Drac sends it to me that is so I'll probably be messing around with expansion for it in a year.
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I re-entered the Amiga world this February out of nostalgia at first and now I've ended up with 7 classic Amigas and one Sam.I have a lot to explore in the classics since I have never used the OS or any programs apart from Deluxe Paint and games back then.So almost everything is new to me.I've bought the Sam out of curiosity and of the need to buy a new piece of Amiga hardware before it runs out.I don't use the Amiga as my every day computer since I am not accustomed to it (I've been out of contact with the Amiga world for 15 years) unlike others who have been using it continiously.So the Amiga story is mainly a hobby for me now and I'm going to use them within this parameter.
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Yes, the Amiga won't/can't be an everyday machine. Those days are gone forever, it they ever existed. That's not so bad, it's nice to have a toy that has zero possibility of doing something productive on it, my iPhone is nice but people send me email and I check the servers regularly with it. The more work I do with it the less fun it is! I can't do anything resembling work on an Amiga, it's pure fun!
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I re-entered the Amiga world this February out of nostalgia at first and now I've ended up with 7 classic Amigas and one Sam.I have a lot to explore in the classics since I have never used the OS or any programs apart from Deluxe Paint and games back then.So almost everything is new to me.I've bought the Sam out of curiosity and of the need to buy a new piece of Amiga hardware before it runs out.I don't use the Amiga as my every day computer since I am not accustomed to it (I've been out of contact with the Amiga world for 15 years) unlike others who have been using it continiously.So the Amiga story is mainly a hobby for me now and I'm going to use them within this parameter.
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PANCAKES!
They're delicious and filling. That is valuable because for the next year or so, it looks like financially, times will be rather lean for me. Although, I may also take some advice from Dr. Zoidberg, and see if a sandwich-heavy portfolio could pay off for the hungry investor.
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When the old hardware isn't causing major headaches, I'm pretty happy with my A1200 and A2000... games, demos, and messing with the OS. (Nothing serious - pure hobby.) I haven't used MorphOS in years (sold my Pegasos years ago), but might check it out again when the Mini port is available.
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My possibilities...
Same amigas... a Pegasos II running Amiga OS4.1, MorphOS 2.x or 3.x... and Linux on it... I bought the hardware recently.. I'm building the machine up, then I'll buy the OSes... then, Peg II becoming my main machine... "classic" amigas just for fun.
Cheers
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What hayashi says...
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If the ECS indivision is out, I will have my A1000 and A600's working with no worry of the Monitior going out. I hope to have the IDE68K on my A1000 with a Compact flash drive and extra ram. The magazine I am working on now will be a monthy reality, and the blog will evolve unto a true website. The A4000 and the CDTV will be up and fixed in all their glorry and my A1200 will receive all of its upgrades and I will have a CD-rom and be on the internet with that.
Wish list, get a PPC for the A4000 or the 1200 and be running OS 4.0 classic. Maybe have a real tower or 2 (not a conversion kit, but own a real 3000 tower)
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I'm fairly OS agnostic these days - The apps are the only important consideration I have. OpenOffice, Opera (Flash, Java), Pidgin, Skype, Freespace (for The Babylon Project), Q2, ET and America's Army for games.
Everything else is purely optional.
UAE is all I need for the handful of old games I still love to play every once in a while.
Imho Natami will be stillborn and the rest offer nothing to me.
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I've moved all my music production to Mac and can now run all my favourite Amiga games natively on my iPhone... The Amiga is dead for me :(
Oh my god... iphone for amiga games? i supose you dont like too much amiga games.
About the pool, all people here is suposed with any classics amiga dont understand this option, same for pancakes and natami need some time for be vapourware, btw i vote for macmini morphos.
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I like the looks of the FPGA Arcade board, since I want to learn something about those programmable chips. The NatAmi sounds appealing as well, for the same reason, as well as promising to be fast. My finances will probably keep me with UAE though. ;-)
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Well, since I've only had my Samiga a few weeks I imagine I'll still be using it a year from now. Speaking for myself, Amiga OS4.1 running at 800mhz seems super modern to me. Long Live the Amiga, it OS and it's spirit!
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given it turns no vapour: natami!
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I forsee nothing...
I had to sell most of my Amiga stuff. I only have two Amiga's left. I can't afford to get any new hardware or updates for them. My main x86 computer is basically on it last legs. It barely runs properly, the power supply is about shot. I think the motherboard is failing, I basically can't afford to replace any of it, so that kinda shoots the possibility of using Amiga emulators.
Unfortunately most of my time is spent trying to get to get ahold of a second job so I would be able get back into the hobby (as all I do in life is wake up, work, pay bills, and sometimes get to our library on the way back from work.) Kinda rough when even McDonalds won't hire you because they have 500 other applications they can pick through.
Maybe if I was able to get ahold of an accelerator and another video card I might play with my stuff. But until then I'm going to spend my time trying to get a measly job scrubbing toilets after overly obese people at a taco or burger shack for $7.25/hour (min wage).
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In a year I'll be doing the same as now: my AmigaOne as my main machine, lots of coding and tracking :)
Varthall
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Waffles!
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One year from now : Still supporting AROS. Yup ask no further, the "Amiga" future is there.
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I still use several old Amiga programs for graphics work, on the Classic platform. I may go to Mac mini with Morph OS if that has software I can really use.
SAM is out - an outrageous price for already well passed over technology IMHO (I can feel the slings & arrows already...)
Like Wayne, I may get a CD-32 for some of the great games, like Chaos Engine
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my year came fast as I just tonight ordered my Sam @ 800 with OS4.1 form Amigakit.com !!!weeeeee
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I would like to make blank A3000D mainboards for next year. Beyond making blank mainboards, Aros with AF2009 and Sam seem to be the only choice till Natami.
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I'll be using Amiga Forever 2009 currently using it on a Core 2 Duo with 4 gigabytes of ram, 320 gigabyte hard drive laptop....
I have no trouble running games from the A500 to the Amiga 1200 and beyond!!! I have an Amiga that is transportable and when it comes to time to upgrade, the Amiga will come with me!
Long live the Amiga, in whatever form it comes in, via hardware or software emulation...
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I'm quite interested in MorphOS for MacMini, but as I've never used MorphOS before, I'll consider it further when it comes out and can read up on it more etc.
If OS4.1 came to something affordable, I'd be using that. But that's unlikely to happen.
Otherwise, I'll probably still be using Linux for most stuff. I just wish there was a good css-capable browser that I could run in Amiga Forever. That would keep me happy for a while.
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Well this past year I have sold off my big stonking A4000 and downsized to a nice little desktop A1200 to use with WHDLoad games. I also got an EFIKA, but hardly every use it unfortunately. In the forthcoming year, I hope to play around with AROS. I recently tried Icaros for the first time in ages, and it seems to be very usable now!
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With the amount I spent on old Amigas and number of games I have, I can't see myself doing anything with either my 500, 1000, 500+, 4000 or 1200 flat anytime soon. Have a Commodore 1960 now. M1538 and 1438 on the way. I planned to have one in practically every room of my house.
I see what those who have mentioned this are saying about legit production uses. I don't think that's going to happen ever either. I think Amiga had a few years. TV stations used Video Toaster for their graphics for a bit in early to mid 90's I remember. Probably bigger in Europe as usual with Amiga. I've felt a weird sadness I can't really describe since Commodore went bankrupt. We all hated PC with a passion as I recall back in 1992, anyone with an Amiga. I've peeked at the Sam440 stuffs but have not yet researched. It's the new Amiga? Or the next chapter? Or it's something 100% different?
Amigas are computers to play on. It's the only type of computer in the old computer realm that's really worth messing with for anyone who likes old computers, or is obsessed with them. Are you supposed to have fun with a PC from 1989? I don't think it's possible.
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Amigas are computers to play on. It's the only type of computer in the old computer realm that's really worth messing with for anyone who likes old computers, or is obsessed with them. Are you supposed to have fun with a PC from 1989? I don't think it's possible.
That is obviously your opinion. True you really can't do many of the really fun things on a 286/386 that you can do with the newer systems, but there are some people that do weird things with them. Fun is such a subjective word.
I kinda enjoy playing with my Apple IIGS. That was made in 1986, three years before that x86 system you are mentioning. Hell, I even know people that delight in coming up with interesting ways to make the S100 Bus part of their daily lives.
You may have fun playing games on your Amiga 500, some people might enjoy engineering controller cards for their Altairs to shoot lasers.
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Hi guys,
I'm new to the forum. This is my first post. :)
In a year, I reckon I'll be using my Amiga 1200 for the same stuff I'm using it for today. That means graphics in Personal Paint and Deluxe Paint, programming in AMOS, watching demos and playing games. I've recently upgraded the machine with an Indivision AGA card and a brand new mouse adapter. :) It's great using the machine with an LCD-screen.
Although I'll be using the 1200, I'm also going to follow the development of AROS. It will be interesting to see what is in store for this OS in the future. Having an AROS-box is not out of the question next year.
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Well, I'm a hobbyist really, so I want to support things like Natami and Minimig.
But also, I'm a vintage computer collector, and the real thing of course has a different vibe than those hobbyist things.
And thereby, I love pancakes.
Luckily for me I could choose more than one option :D
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I'm all about pancakes. Sadly, in the Amiga World, they're really the only thing viable....
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I voted Natami and Classics. I have a MicroA1-c so I don't need a SAM.
I think the Natami will be the best of the lot though.
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Maybe amiga users like vapourware or maybe im not informed about natami but its a draw with morphos for macmini.
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I miss a option in the poll, fast running Amiga OS SOftware, dont care about hardware, maybe emulate on a fast X86 or notebook.
thats my choose.
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It would be AROS for me all the way.
I have a native box right now and really like it.
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I'll keep using my classics because I love them and will use MorphOS on my Mac Mini for browsing, movies, etc.
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voted pancakes as no option for emualtion.
TO be honest, not even used an amiga in emulaion for ages.
Just hang around here because its been my home on the net for over ten years
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Pancakes!
TBH, I can't remember the last time I touched my miggies, let alone had any fun with a computer at all! Quite frankly, all I do these days is check my forums and email, I could do that quite well on an entry level notebook. Having spent the last 12 years of my life in the IT industry has taken all the fun out :(
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Now that Wayne has decided to sell A.org, I will probably be more active helping out here and interacting with the group, or person who will be running the site in the future.
I actually plan to be more active with my Classic Amigas, my Efika running MorphOS (and hopefully by then my G4 PPC MacMini running MorphOS too), and possibly running AmigaOS4.1 on my A4000T w/CSPPC to see what that looks and feels like for myself.
I also will be showing all of my Amiga systems to children and young teens in my area again and teaching them how to use them to do programming & create music, video, graphic content for themselves on antique equipment.
Amiga emulation will also be part of my computing experience (love AmiKit).
So for me, the Amiga experience is still alive and kicking and will continue to do so for years to come. When computers become an interactive experience controlled by thoughts, or eye movements and are as small as a hearing aid and one contact lens, I will consider upgrading. Until then I think I have all I need in the way of hardware.
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MiniMig for me. Just need to either a) get the MiniMig I won or b) get off my butt to make my own.
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my last "ditch" effort is MorphOS + Mac Mini port.
I gave away a few Amiga systems and goodies I had to a few friends in CA & overseas. I gave up on the Classic stuff years ago but held on to a few things that I will ebay for more $ when the time is right. Dont get me wrong, Amiga is cool but not practical for me. I'll stick with MorphOS for the Mini but if it takes too long for that one I'll bail on that too and sell my Mini hardware. I dont post on this site like I used to and when I do I'm mostly pissed off at a post or comment here and there so I end up saying stuff that gets people mad. Not a good thing for the good folks of AO. Lookin forward to unplugging from the Amiga world. :)
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"Pancakes are love"
Just Love the classics! :drink: Maybe Natami once it's out..
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I voted for the lot, cant exclude anything :)
Plans for the year to come
* Get hold of a full size AT tower for an A4000T mobo I have
* Get a nice and small case for the Peg1 I recently got hold of
* More RAM on the MiniMig, alrady got ARM controller :)
* Custom AmigaOS3 and kickstart for 68000 systems, with bits from OS3.5/9 that really aren't 020+ :)
* A603 + Indivision on one A600 (hopefully fits with Apollo-630)
* A602 and Fast RAM on the other
* Indivision for the CD32
* Replace old noisy SCSI drives with Acard adapters and SATA drives
* Replace old monster PSUs with picoPSU in all CD32/A1200/A600s
* Send stuff to AmigaKit for simm socket repairs (I'm so slow!) :hammer:
* Find out why AROS freezes on my Eee-box when I tell it to go online :)
* SAM440Flex with OS4.1... yes, most likely, at some weak moment :)
I have some hopes for development too
* Anything to get ethernet on CD32 (clockport adapter?)
* Ethernet for clockport already! :D
* Really looking forward to FPGAArcade, and all good wishes for Natami!
* NPTL and TLS finally coming to Linux/m68k - new glibc at last! :banana:
And lastly...
* Find a new place with more space! :roflmao:
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My plans for the coming year:
* Continue refurbishing my old A500. I've already replaced the keyboard. I just need a RAM expansion and, possibly, an external floppy drive. It could do with a bit of a clean-up/de-yellowing too.
* I have an empty A600 case that I bought for a project that didn't work out. My plan now is to use it as a base for building an A600 from scratch.
* Continue adding bits to my A1200. Next up will be an Indivision AGA and a PS/2 mouse adapter.
* Find an A3000. I really like the case!
* Run MorphOS on my G4 Mac mini.
* See what happens with the Natami. I'm not holding my breath for it, but I hope it materialises.
* Hope that OS 4 appears on some affordable hardware. I can't really justify £500+ for the Sam & OS 4.1.
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In a year, I will still be using my Amiga 2000 on a regular basis, as it`s my main graphics design/photo editing/pissing around machine.
I hope to add a little more horsepower by replacing my aging GVP Combo-040 with a 68060, maybe adding a scanner, and likely USB support and an external HD.
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Voted pancakes since no emulation option in poll. Don't have the desk space for anything but, these days.
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i will be still using classic's since i still have the A3000, A1200 and A4000 to upgrade and play with. Get some more games for my CD32.
Will buy FPGAArcade when it comes out and Natami too possibly a CloneA as well.
Although i use PC's every for work and home they bore me, my Miggy's are for pure fun and hobby since they still give me a buzz even more then my Quad Extreme + N260 (which i fall asleep using, regularly) :D
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I don't think my category was up there, but I'm going for a lite Linux distro with Workbench as my GUI via UAE. Conversion not completed yet, but that's my goal.
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Not at all what I expected, I thought that classics would be far and away the most popular choice...
If you take classics as one category and everything else as "other" then classics lose out, I wonder if the current high price of classic miggys on ebay is to blame?
Good news for me I guess because if noone else wants the classics, they'll fall in price and I can get them all! :lol:
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For me it is Sam and os4.1 for "modern" Amiga computing and minimig to run old classic games on.
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g0 Sam go :-)
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Crash Sam, crash!
(no reason to yell it out though, seems an inevitable part of ownership.)
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I have a couple of PowerPC Macs that have since been replaced by Intel ones. I have no need of them running older versions of MacOS, so a PPC Mac port of AmigaOS 4.x would be the ideal use for one. Besides, trying to get an accelerator for my A1200 has proven to be hard work. It amazes me that they sell for more than my old Macs are worth!
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At the moment I just have a couple of boxes of lots of A500 bits. So maybe by next year it will actually be an Amiga again and I'll be able to play gam... errr use it :)
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Just hang around here because its been my home on the net for over ten years
I second this! Amiga is more of a memory now, but I do adore all the people I know from Amiga.org. This place is like home. :)
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Hi,
I still use my Amiga for a lot of important stuff since it has not crashed since I have owned it.
I want to use the Amiga to see how long it will last. I still use it for data basing, spreadsheets and graphics. OK now it is a little slow, but I still can't out type it. Since I have owned it, it has gone through three hard drives, I went from a 5 megabyte, to a 20 mega byte to a 1.2 giga byte, don't know what I am going to do with that much space. lol...
A nice thing about the Amiga today is that you can buy a lot of the parts on ebay cheap, since they are obsolete parts from todays PC's, but the Amiga pays you back on upgrades they are quite expensive. How far will I take my Amiga, I really don't know, it is not like a pc that I replace every 2 to 3 years with a new one, the Amiga seems like an old friend waiting for me to come over and turn it on. It is still quite awesome even today.
smerf
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I'm almost totally on my AMD Icaros box. Maybe the system is still little more raw than other AmigaOS flavours, but the hardware grunt allows me to do more things in a faster way than PPC hardware ever could. And I am planning to switch from my current 2,6 GHz Athlon to a 3+ GHz AthlonII or Phenom II as soon as I get one.
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I agree, once classic integration is complete in Aros I see very little reason to hold onto a classic box.
I'm almost totally on my AMD Icaros box. Maybe the system is still little more raw than other AmigaOS flavours, but the hardware grunt allows me to do more things in a faster way than PPC hardware ever could. And I am planning to switch from my current 2,6 GHz Athlon to a 3+ GHz AthlonII or Phenom II as soon as I get one.
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I want to know why this spectation for natami?
The project seems the most vapourware product in amiga history and if will be release, this all new features need drivers and specific new applications i dont see the "classic" side on it.
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I want to know why this spectation for natami?
The project seems the most vapourware product in amiga history and if will be release, this all new features need drivers and specific new applications i dont see the "classic" side on it.
Then you obviously haven't done your homework on the NatAmi project. The aim of NatAmi is to run almost all of the old "Classic" software natively at a faster speed than any real "Classic" Amiga ever did.
I don't know why you would claim that it is the "Most" vaporware product in Amiga history, when the developers of NatAmi have already demonstrated some of their hardware designs and also parts of their 3D software work.
I will admit that their goals are very ambitious, and they may never reach all of them, but even if they only accomplish half of what they are trying to do, it will be an improvement over the fastest "Classic" Amiga model and in that way it will be a step forward from those classic models, but retain most of the compatibility.
It is an interesting project for those people that would like to see what might have been possible if Commodore had been better at continuing development of the classic Amiga in 1988 to 1992, but I don't think anyone is trying to say that the NatAmi is going to be comparable to any modern computer of the 21st Century.
I think it is very interesting to watch and hope that it will be completed.
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I don't think anyone is trying to say that the NatAmi is going to be comparable to any modern computer of the 21st Century.
I take it you haven't met Atheist?
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I take it you haven't met Atheist?
Well there are always one or two exceptions to sanity here and there.
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Classic Amiga motherboards are getting old and will not last forever. If NatAmi or CloneA could come out that would be awesome.
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Classic Amiga motherboards are getting old and will not last forever.....
..that's when the soldering irons come out and the fun begins yet again :-)
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Then you obviously haven't done your homework on the NatAmi project. The aim of NatAmi is to run almost all of the old "Classic" software natively at a faster speed than any real "Classic" Amiga ever did.
I don't know why you would claim that it is the "Most" vaporware product in Amiga history, when the developers of NatAmi have already demonstrated some of their hardware designs and also parts of their 3D software work.
I will admit that their goals are very ambitious, and they may never reach all of them, but even if they only accomplish half of what they are trying to do, it will be an improvement over the fastest "Classic" Amiga model and in that way it will be a step forward from those classic models, but retain most of the compatibility.
It is an interesting project for those people that would like to see what might have been possible if Commodore had been better at continuing development of the classic Amiga in 1988 to 1992, but I don't think anyone is trying to say that the NatAmi is going to be comparable to any modern computer of the 21st Century.
I think it is very interesting to watch and hope that it will be completed.
The idea and your speech can be nice but reality is reality, i called it vapourware because it is, Dennis van Weeren make the minimig with results not with a site with forum poorly updated, sorry but amigaworld is full of this projects and just some reality.
Voting for natami more than other real options its an error.
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Classic Amiga motherboards are getting old and will not last forever. If NatAmi or CloneA could come out that would be awesome.
You can still buying brand new a1200 at least.
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@kickstart
New old stock yes, but when were those A1200's made? Probably 1995-1996 time frame by Escom. I hope they last a long long time but who knows.
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I've been 100% Ubuntu for quite a while now although, believe it or not, i do miss TuneNET & WookieChat.
I'd love to buy a kickarse Mobo combo for the latest AmigaOS if one gets released.
Until then.. Karmic Koala is up there !!
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I'm hoping Natami will be done in the comming year, so it can replace my aging A1200T with Blizz PPC (040/25+603e 240 Mhz ppc).
The A1200T has broken down on me quite some times now in the past few years, strange enough the PPC card still works fine (one the frist phase5 cards!) :D