NetSurf OS3 - testing!

[utri007]

Try adding Mungwall to the mix and see if it triggers something more? (Sorry if I missed out on you already doing that.)

Noob like me would not do something like that without somenone telling.

Short, I just run segtracker, mungwall from CLI and then start murforce?

[utri007]

Here is a log, first ai just ran segtracker, then mungwall with TASK switch ie. mungwall task Netsurf and then started MuForce.

Almost. Substitute mungwall by WipeOut (mungwall is outdated and has one issue), or run MuGA, but that *after* MuForce.

http://aminet.net/package/dev/debug/Wipeout

Do that next.

[utri007]

OK, I ran segtracker started Netsurf and then MuForce. Arter Netsruf has appeared to screen I started WipeOut.

If I start netsurf, segtracker, wipeout and MuForce (in that order) I just got this to serial out put, nothing more .


Munging memory... done (14-Apr-19 00:51:14).

[utri007]

about 3.1.4 problems.

I have a kickstart with 3.1.4 modules inside of it, including intuition library.

3.1.4 kickstart installed Netsurf is really slow. First I thought that it is because a missing OS 3.1.4 installation. I ran my amiga with ks3.1.4 and OS3.9 bb1/2. I updated my OS3.9 installation with 3.1.4 components using updateto314 script from aminet.

It didn't fix slowness. Using KS3.9 and OS3.9 it works as fast as it can. Changing kickstart to 3.1.4 it makes it bog slow. Also with those Netrsurf versions wich used to work.

I have two A1200 computers with same symptoms.

[utri007]

This is probably because the only reset-resident memory of your system is chip memory. You can try to add the "NOMEMFKICK" option to LoadModule, but the best option is just to buy a real ROM.

I do have a 1mb real rom. Few years ago I made some log for you to make MuFastRom support 1mb kickstart.

Currently I use RemApollo with Apollo accelerator and MuFastROm with Blizzard. RemApollo because, seems that MuFastRon doesn't move exec to fast ram.

You can found how kickstart is mapped to fast ram from first post of page 7

[utri007]

No, but MuMove4K along with MuFastZero does. MuFastRom moves the ROM, as it says.

OK, this part is done now. Sorry my lazyness to read guides, again.

This is probably because the only reset-resident memory of your system is chip memory. You can try to add the "NOMEMFKICK" option to LoadModule, but the best option is just to buy a real ROM.

What did you mean with this? If I use RemApollo, kickstart survives reset and it is located to fast ram. Is it so that MuFastZero does it differently? But still using it locates my real rom to Apollo's 32 bit fast ram.

So how would this make netsurf slower and gave unable to fetch document errors. Note that I don't think this is a KS3.1.4 fault, or that you solve this problem with you magic wand, though that would be nice.

[utri007]

Sorry, confusion is because RemApollo moves kickstart but also a exec to fast ram.

Once again: ROM != "struct ExecBase", and the only reason why you have this problem is because the designer of your turbo board was lazy and did not make the memory on the board auto-configuring, but fiddled it into the system in some non-documented way that bypasses the expansion library.

I don't buy this, my other machine has a Blizzard 68060 and it has same symbtoms. OS and Rom are 100% identical. I install my machines from "4gb install hard drive".

Is it so that MuFastZero is not a reset proof? Should I use RemApollo as it is reset proof?

And what has changed when it didn't had that problem with previous kickstart?

[utri007]

But I do have a 3.1.4 kickstart. It has all the rom modules from A1200 modules disk. Others are from original 3.1 kickstart.

There is nothing patched or exotic inside of it. It has a workbench and intuition libraries. Some file systems and cf device.

I'm happy to demonstrate problem with with Blizzard 68060 accelerator.

I hate the idee that I need a special boot floppy if I need a reinstall them. Now I can start it (in theory) from Deluxe Paint III floppy so that I can start installing it from CD or CF card.

Thing is, I don't have any problems. Except that Chris' Netsurf is bog slow, but I think that issue is Netsurf, not a kickstart (or 3.1.4 modules) just thinking that something wich has changed is causing problems and that could help to solve Netsurf problems.

With Kickstart using KS31 and OS3.9 modules it worked much faster and it didn't had that "crash on exit" bug that others had. With current kickstart it crash when closed.

[utri007]

Blizzards also work, we have testers and many users working succesfully with them.

Anyway, I see your point, but the problem is that you have a lot of variables in your system, and pointing the finger to something is just speculation at this point (it could just be NetSurf, 3.1.4, a 3.9 component, a 3.1 compomentt, another filesystem, etc.). Something that you might feel is safe/harmless might not be that way, so do not exclude components when you still aren't 100% sure what is the cause.

Bottomline: more reasearch is definately needed.

All amigas has a lots of variables

My "main" amiga is a towerized A1200 with Zorro extender. It has a notorius eXpert Merlin RTG card and Delfina Lite. But also a DCE scan magic and Ide fix express.

So "custon" is a standard here, lots of variables.

My Blizzard machine is much more clear A1200 with Blizzard 1260 accelerator.

My point is NOT a say that there is a problem because of 3.1.4 rom modules, I just say that Netsurf has a problems with them. And that way maybe it will help to find bugs. Netsurf window is refreshed "totally" 2 or 3 times before it displays a Netsurf's start screen. I thing that wasn't there before either.

[utri007]

Some outputs from MuForce / Segtracker / Wipeout

A1200 / Blizzard 1260

With lattest version (10th april) of Netsurf it quits without crash. But still getting cannot fetch documents. Some times it renders one page ie. amiga.org frontpage.

[utri007]

Lattest 68k version seems to be broken. NetSurf-gcc-5199.lha https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/amigaos3/

Bitmap fonts doesn't display
Magic Menu doesn't work and eventually opening menus traditional way will crash computer.

[utri007]

last working version is 5152, build date 24.05.2020. Hope this helps.

It is really slow. Amigaworld.net wich hasn’t change a bit, used to render 14 seconds, not it renders 192 seconds. Some sort of SSL strip proxy solution would be nice.

[utri007]

Problem was codesets library, if there is a one, it needs to be lattest. I t works without it, but not with older versions.

[utri007]

If possible, you could disable it. Using codesets.library with 68k Amiga makes Netsurf loose a speed a lot. Something like 300%.

[utri007]

It has now a problem without codesets.library and it introduced new graphical problem.

Would it be possible to revert back few years old version so that new amissl would work with it?  Those versions were almost usefull, these versions.. it doesn't matter if you fix or not these problems, there is no point to use it as it loads page like amigaworld.net about 5 minits. It used to load about 15 seconds, when Olaf fixed memory fragmentation issue three? years ago.

[utri007]

I did switch to using AmiSSL as OpenSSL stopped working, I can't revert that change as not being able to make secure connections makes the browser useless.

I meant that if you could make a AmiSSL work with lets say Netsurf version 3.5? I'm not sure wich version was still fast.

Bad that there is no 68k experienced coders interested trouble shoot this. There are too few left and those are not interested enough.