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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: Piru on June 08, 2012, 06:19:57 PM
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The MorphOS development team is proud to announce the public release of MorphOS 3.0, the first ever public version to install on portable computers, specifically PowerBook G4 machines. In addition to the extended hardware support, users will benefit from various new features, enhancements and bug fixes. For an overview of the included changes, please read our release notes (http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes/3.0).
To celebrate the much anticipated release of MorphOS 3.0, we are furthermore offering special three-tier pricing. The prices for a keyfile are 111.11 EUR for one PowerBook G4 system, 79 EUR for one eMac, Mac mini G4, Pegasos I, Pegasos II or PowerMac G4, and 49 EUR for one EfikaPPC system.
We strongly urge owners of Mac mini G4 computers to carefully read our installation (http://www.morphos-team.net/installation) and troubleshoot (http://www.morphos-team.net/faq) guides before they attempt to install MorphOS for the first time. Existing users can upgrade via the familiar procedure but are encouraged to read the guides as well. MorphOS 3.0 is available for download in our files section (http://www.morphos-team.net/downloads).
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MorphOS 3.0 - Public Release, Introduction of PowerBook Support & Special Pricing (http://www.morphos-team.net/images/logo_powerbook.png) The MorphOS development team is proud to announce the public release of MorphOS 3.0, the first ever public version to install on portable computers, specifically PowerBook G4 machines. In addition to the extended hardware support, users will benefit from various new features, enhancements and bug fixes. For an overview of the included changes, please read our release notes (http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/3.0).
To celebrate the much anticipated release of MorphOS 3.0, we are furthermore offering special three-tier pricing. The prices for a keyfile are 111.11 EUR for one PowerBook G4 system, 79 EUR for one eMac, Mac mini G4, Pegasos I, Pegasos II or PowerMac G4, and 49 EUR for one EfikaPPC system.
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Sweet Yeti of the Serengeti! How much for a G4 PowerBook these days?
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Thread merge. Sorry, Harry, I approved them in the order I saw them :D
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A pleasant surprise when I checked the news sites this morning and discovered this.
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Sweet Yeti of the Serengeti! How much for a G4 PowerBook these days?
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Thread merge. Sorry, Harry, I approved them in the order I saw them :D
I paid $750 off ebay for my PB G4 1139 but... it's in absolutely mint condition, complete with all accesories, original box, inserts, etc. Some good deals for a nice one (i.e. not mint) are around $350-$450 on ebay... still quite cheap for great power in comparison with... other alternatives :-)
Cheers,
Dragster
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And only five months after I traded away my aluminum Powerbook! How 'bout that.
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Congratulations on this release to all involved
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Now maybe the great Amiga magazines can start covering MorphOS again! :)
SPLENDID news!!!!
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Excellent news, even though I will probably never see or use it. Big boost for the community involved.
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Good news. Any chance to see MorphOS on G4 iBook in the future?
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Great news! I'll give it a try on my PowerBook G4 Aluminum 15'' A1106.
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Is there a secret to burning the ISO?
I can't seem to get the CD to be recognized on my Powerbook5,8.
The DVD drive works, in fact, its new, it was one of the things I had to replace...
I burned it with UltraISO(Windows7) at 4x setting on 2 different burners...
I even tried using an external USB BR/DVD drive to boot. Can I not boot off of USB? I pressed the Alt(option) key... did a refresh...nothing
"Morphosboot" is able to be read on the external in OSX. The internal just rejects the disk.
EDIT:
just for the sake of trying something different i tried to burn a CD with my A1200 using MakeCD. Still won't boot :(
Thanks.
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I can't find any specifications anywhere regarding Powerbook integration. Is this friendly toward all Powerbooks or only a certain few?
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I can't find any specifications anywhere regarding Powerbook integration. Is this friendly toward all Powerbooks or only a certain few?
http://www.morphos-team.net/faq
MorphOS will run on Apple PowerBook Aluminum with a 1.67GHz processor. Namely PowerBook5,6 (A1106), PowerBook5,7 (A1107), PowerBook5,8 (A1138) and PowerBook5,9 (A1139). The 1.5GHz A1106 model is also supported, but be sure not to confuse it with an unsupported A1095 model
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Can't wait to buy this in order to install it on my 12" PowerBook..... What do you mean there is n...... Oh well ...
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Is there a secret to burning the ISO?
Did you compare the MD5 checksum after downbload? Maybe the file is corrupted.
Sorry, just to be sure: in MakeCD, you did choose "import CD image" (don't remember exact wording) from the menu?
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First impression: Very nice! :)
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79.00 is about 100usd.
I think thats a fair price for all the work that has poured into this...
Now If I just had a mac... I've been saying forever I will get one for this but haven't yet...
Someone post some screenshots please...?
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Looks like I might finally purchase MorphOS for my Efika, lol
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Congratulations to all involved!
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I'll have to see if i can resurrect my wife's beat up old powerbook. Hopefully its just a defective power adapter
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Is there a secret to burning the ISO?
I can't seem to get the CD to be recognized on my Powerbook5,8.
I burned it with Makecd as well and it worked just fine on my PB 5.9.
make sure to use the "add track button" in make cd, after that a new windoiw will open, there's a button there you click to select the track type, select "image file", select the ISO with the requester and burn, it should work that way.
Good luck,
Dragster.
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I'm curious...as far as the macs go, you guys support g4. I'm sure there is a reason why you don't bother with g5, but can you tell me what it is?
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Can't wait to buy this in order to install it on my 12" PowerBook..... What do you mean there is n...... Oh well ...
Nope, no ATI graphics.
Time to look for a 15 or 17".
BTW - Great news about 3.0 finally being released.
Of course this occurs after my PC decided to throw a BSOD while booting yesterday rendering My Windows XP machine unbootable (and my Vista machine has a bad PSU, and my Win7 system isn't up right now).
Thank God I've never had MorphOS crash as throughly as Windows does (and on a regular basis).
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great news & great price for those that have an old apple notebook lying around.
I told an old mac head friend of mine to try it out as he was interested in seeing AspireOS running on my little netbook when he was by my place a few weeks ago but he didn't have a compatibile notebook...now he has no excuse to try a NG Amiga system on his Powerbook (http://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
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I burned it with Makecd as well and it worked just fine on my PB 5.9.
make sure to use the "add track button" in make cd, after that a new windoiw will open, there's a button there you click to select the track type, select "image file", select the ISO with the requester and burn, it should work that way.
Good luck,
Dragster.
exactly what I did with makeCD... I even made sure to tell it to close the CD
UltraISO on the windows side has never failed me either.
I guess I'll try and get some different media.
Thanks
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Nope, no ATI graphics.
Time to look for a 15 or 17".
Is the issue of video drivers the only real hurdle? If so, are there any plans to add Radeon-based TiBooks to the compatibility list? I'd certainly be up for giving it a shot on mine.
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Is the issue of video drivers the only real hurdle? If so, are there any plans to add Radeon-based TiBooks to the compatibility list? I'd certainly be up for giving it a shot on mine.
You could ask Piru, but my guess would be no.
There's only so many models they have time to develop support for, and I think their intention was to support just a few really good choices.
Athough I doubt we'll get it, personally I'd like to see G5 support.
A completely unsupported guess, eventually we might see a move to ARM.
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Is the issue of video drivers the only real hurdle?
No, another "hurdle" is that it must use USB for keyboard and trackpad AFAIK.
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No, another "hurdle" is that it must use USB for keyboard and trackpad AFAIK.
Do tell? What connection do the aluminum Powerbooks use for those, then?
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Do tell? What connection do the aluminum Powerbooks use for those, then?
Older models were using ADB, only the latest models had USB keyboards/pads AFAIK.
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"No machines being built today use ADB for device interconnection, but up to February 2005, PowerBooks and iBooks still used the ADB protocol in the internal interface with the built-in keyboard and touchpad. Subsequent models used a USB-based trackpad."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus#History
List of all PowerBook G4 models (you'll notice that the Ti is *very* old):
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/index-powerbook-g4.html
Only these are the ones living up to the requirements of MorphOS, according to the MorphOS Team (http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes/3.0):
http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=PowerBook5,6 (model A1106)
http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=PowerBook5,7 (model A1107)
http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=PowerBook5,8 (model A1138)
http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=PowerBook5,9 (model A1139)
There are literary *hordes* of them at e-bay, with very attractive price tags...
:)
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Oh, gotcha.
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The old powerbook I have lying around was one of the last powerPC ones sold. Is there any easy way to tell what model it is?
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The old powerbook I have lying around was one of the last powerPC ones sold. Is there any easy way to tell what model it is?
go into "about this computer" in the osx menu. you may need to go to "more info".
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The old powerbook I have lying around was one of the last powerPC ones sold. Is there any easy way to tell what model it is?
In addition to bbond007 above -
http://www.everymac.com/mac-identification/index-how-to-identify-my-mac.html
Also: Screen resolutions/sizes are unique identifiers for all of these four models, see this short post about what differs between the MorphOS supported PowerBook models (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=676448&postcount=5) (maybe can be interesting for potential buyers of PowerBooks as well?)
A CPU running at 1.67GHz should also mean it's one of the supported kinds (unless OC'd, but I don't know how common that is in PowerBooks, if at all)
The funniest way of course, is definitely to download MorphOS 3.0 and simply try it out yourself! :) Boot from the CD (hold down the c key when starting the computer until it's booting), it doesn't touch your HDD if you don't choose to install it, and it's completely free of charge! :D
==> http://morphos-team.net/downloads
:)
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Also: Screen resolutions/sizes are unique identifiers for all of these four models,
Nope, only the very last revisions (5.8/5.9( had highres screen, the screens used in the older supported models (5.6/5.7) are identical to screen use in even much older revision (maybe even back to the orginal 400MHz Ti). One of the PBs I sold last year actually is an 5.7 in the case and with the display of an 5.5 and I have confirmation thats it's running just fine.
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Nope, only the very last revisions (5.8/5.9( had highres screen, the screens used in the older supported models (5.6/5.7) are identical to screen use in even much older revision (maybe even back to the orginal 400MHz Ti). One of the PBs I sold last year actually is an 5.7 in the case and with the display of an 5.5 and I have confirmation thats it's running just fine.
Ah, of course, OK thanks for the clarification! :) To be honest I had only looked at the four latest models myself (since the others aren't relevant), and at least in my head I kind of said "screen resolution + 1.67GHz" (which would "triangulate" which of "one of the very latest models ever sold" he has), but I realize it didn't come out that way, hehe. ;)
Anyway, plenty of ideas given to get him going in his detective work. I hope he follow the last advice, by simply trying to boot MorphOS! Nice surprise if it does! :)
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@commodorejohn
Older models were using ADB, only the latest models had USB keyboards/pads AFAIK.
"The missing ADB keyboard/pad driver is not a real issue anymore, it's basically ready. We actually might consider Ibook support in a future update. It pretty much depends on the success/acceptance of the PowerBook option. The forthcoming update will definitely focus on fixing bugs that went unnoticed while doing our internal testing, though. So expanding hardware support is something that is considered after that ..."
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8042&forum=11&start=98
Don't know what (if indeed anything) this could mean for your old Ti PowerBook though (guess they are a bit down on the priority list due to age and performance?), not even Ibook support was really promised above (although there must be some thought behind developing drivers for ADB), and in any case, no new HW support until MorphOS 3.2 at the earliest. But who knows?
:)
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Well the ADB-driver IS used in 3.0 !!!
For the PWR-button on MMini and PBs (wether that was the reason for starting with ADB or if it's just a side result while writing ADB kbd-drivers is anybodys guess).
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Is it (MOS) feature complete on all the PB's? Wifi and etc?
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Just no Wi-Fi.
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Ahh, too bad, there goes my idea of giving it a try. Cheers for the reply!
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Well, think they`re doing it for later and you can use a card in the meantime of course.
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Just no Wi-Fi.
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that's sort of underwhelming.
Am I missing something? My A1200 has wireless internet.
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"The missing ADB keyboard/pad driver is not a real issue anymore, it's basically ready. We actually might consider Ibook support in a future update. It pretty much depends on the success/acceptance of the PowerBook option. The forthcoming update will definitely focus on fixing bugs that went unnoticed while doing our internal testing, though. So expanding hardware support is something that is considered after that ..."
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8042&forum=11&start=98
Huh, well, even the possibility is more than I was expecting, so that's good to hear.
Don't know what (if indeed anything) this could mean for your old Ti PowerBook though (guess they are a bit down on the priority list due to age and performance?)
I'd think it depends on the model. Mine's a 1GHz 7450 with a Radeon Mobility 9000, it's hardly worse than the early aluminum models (slower RAM, though.) And it certainly performs adequately enough...
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that's sort of underwhelming.
Am I missing something? My A1200 has wireless internet.
Heh, I've seen a C64 with "wireless" (yep, there was/is a Ethernet card for the C64, in which someone had put one of these "ethernet to wifi" adapters), but that kind of gadgets (as the A1200 wireless) is not really what people mean when talking about WiFi stacks/support in an OS...
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Heh, I've seen a C64 with "wireless" (yep, there was/is a Ethernet card for the C64, in which someone had put one of these "ethernet to wifi" adapters), but that kind of gadgets (as the A1200 wireless) is not really what people mean when talking about WiFi stacks/support in an OS...
although this won't be of any interest to powerbook users, do you know if MOS 3.0 works with neil's prism2.device? i know there are versions for OS3, OS4, and AROS. usually if something works with OS3, it also works with MOS, but i haven't seen it mentioned.
if i got a power macintosh which supported MOS 3.0, could i take the prism2 wireless PCI card from my SAM and use it there with MOS?
-- eliyahu
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Heh, I've seen a C64 with "wireless" (yep, there was/is a Ethernet card for the C64, in which someone had put one of these "ethernet to wifi" adapters), but that kind of gadgets (as the A1200 wireless) is not really what people mean when talking about WiFi stacks/support in an OS...
Maybe, but I am not really that keen on pulling a 20 foot ethernet cable from upstairs to the couch downstairs which is the laptop territory.
It's 2012 guys.
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Maybe, but I am not really that keen on pulling a 20 foot ethernet cable from upstairs to the couch downstairs which is the laptop territory.
It's 2012 guys.
wireless works great on my AROS laptop ;D
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Just no Wi-Fi.
And Bluetooth, not that anyone cares about that.
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Is there an ETA on when support for the built in wifi will be added? A laptop without support for the built in wifi is a paperweight to me.
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3.0 on the Powerbook with an SSD is just plain sickening at how fast it boots and runs.
OSX loaded in 1.5 minutes and lag with anything. HD video was barely playable with the best altivec optimized player. OSX was a major disappointment from a performance perspective.
MOS 3 boots in 5 seconds, plays all hd vids I have throw at it, and it almost instantaneous for any operation. Shazam, nice job MOS Team.
I have a gigabtye lan and like the wire to move data across my network.
Cheers!
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Is there an ETA on when support for the built in wifi will be added? A laptop without support for the built in wifi is a paperweight to me.
No ETA but note that the driver itself is ready (it's based on the AROS one), but the configuration tool was not done yet.
If lucky the MorphOS team decides to provide the pure driver (i.e. w/o config tool) as is and w/o warranty for the brave (or stupid) to try out (until it will be integrated inside the OS with 3.1).
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No ETA but note that the driver itself is ready (it's based on the AROS one), but the configuration tool was not done yet.
If lucky the MorphOS team decides to provide the pure driver (i.e. w/o config tool) as is and w/o warranty for the brave (or stupid) to try out (until it will be integrated inside the OS with 3.1).
AFAIK That's the driver for an pcmcia based Atheros chipset, not the onboard 'AirPort Extreme' wifi.
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AFAIK That's the driver for an pcmcia based Atheros chipset, not the onboard 'AirPort Extreme' wifi.
You're right. For the inbuild Airport I am not aware of any announcement.
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Cheers, thanks for the replies. Guess I'll save my money on this one, I've got no interest in having to cram a PCMCIA card into a machine that already has wifi.
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The news has even made Slashdot .. coverage is coverage I suppose and its reasonably accurate.
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Is the wireless in the MacMini supported?
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Is the wireless in the MacMini supported?
No wireless whatsoever in the OS, no matter type of computer. As said before, there are some ways around this, but AFAIK currently the OS doesn't incorporate neigher the device drivers for the WiFi cards/chips, nor the technology/applications to make use of them in the way people would expect to use them.
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The news has even made Slashdot .. coverage is coverage I suppose and its reasonably accurate.
And the comments are the typical jaded Linux fanboi crap that we see so often at Slashdot. This (http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2906979&cid=40278623) was the only sensible rebuttal I could find.
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And the comments are the typical jaded Linux fanboi crap that we see so often at Slashdot. This (http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2906979&cid=40278623) was the only sensible rebuttal I could find.
Even the article post itself is demeaning and condescending. Typical /. bullshyt; it's not a news site these days, it's all opinion being pushed along with news topics to make it look like news.
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Ok, I tried a different brand of CD-Rs and I used MakeCD exactly the way Dragster said.
I also checked the MD5 checksum and it was correct.
I'm guessing the CD drive in my Powerbook5,8 does not read CDs correctly. It seems to play video DVDs just fine. Very strange.
I guess Powerbook5,8 does not support booting off of USB because I can't get boot off an external USB BR drive.
What do I need? A new drive? Can i boot off of Firewire?
Can I put the MorphOS ISO on a external Firewire HD somehow?
Thanks!
EDIT: I burned it to a DVD-R and it was able to read that... Installing now. I have a SSD drive. Probably already done.
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Even the article post itself is demeaning and condescending.
Yes, they could've tried to polish a turd I suppose.
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EDIT: I burned it to a DVD-R and it was able to read that... Installing now. I have a SSD drive. Probably already done.
Yeah, thats a very common problem. There are usually two lasers involved and one of them is dying first. Mostly its the one for reading CDs. Same happens to the Playstation2 drives.
Geit
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I don't know, I think many of the slashdot comments make sense from a certain point of view. If I wasn't a die-hard Amiga fan I probably wouldn't touch any of the current-generation Amiga systems with a stick.
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I don't know, I think many of the slashdot comments make sense from a certain point of view. If I wasn't a die-hard Amiga fan I probably wouldn't touch any of the current-generation Amiga systems with a stick.
I agree. Not that i'm complaining but the fact you have to pay for it when compared to linux which is free. I think that in itself is going to turn people off : /
Anyway great job guys i will install next week when i get time :)
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And the comments are the typical jaded Linux fanboi crap that we see so often at Slashdot. This (http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2906979&cid=40278623) was the only sensible rebuttal I could find.
+1
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I don't know, I think many of the slashdot comments make sense from a certain point of view. If I wasn't a die-hard Amiga fan I probably wouldn't touch any of the current-generation Amiga systems with a stick.
I guess what aggravates me is the double-standard in the geek world. 16 Apple //e computers networked together is uber; running TCP/IP on a 1982 Timex is cool*; building a watch out of Nixie tubes is bonerific; but an operating system with modern capabilities for PowerPC is just a bunch of old farts trying to hold onto a dead dream and beat a dead horse.
Replace "PowerPC" with "Z80" or "6502" and replace "MorphOS" with "Linux" or "Android," and suddenly it would be the coolest damned thing ever. Bonus points if it will run your Lego Mindstorms. Mind you, the $138 price tag isn't going to make the freetards happy no matter what, so you've already lost that particular audience.
* No one has actually done this, but I thought an extreme example would serve as a purposeful hyperbole.
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G4s aren't old enough to be "cool" yet, running a different OS with capabilities similar to other OSes on them isn't particularly impressive.
"Oh look! I'm browsing the web on a Powerbook!" and "Oh look! I'm browsing the web on a C64!" are two very different things.
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although this won't be of any interest to powerbook users, do you know if MOS 3.0 works with neil's prism2.device? i know there are versions for OS3, OS4, and AROS. usually if something works with OS3, it also works with MOS, but i haven't seen it mentioned.
if i got a power macintosh which supported MOS 3.0, could i take the prism2 wireless PCI card from my SAM and use it there with MOS?
In theory you should be able to use the native MorphOS version of prism2.device 1.x (the WEP-only version), but there are sometimes hardware incompatibilities with certain cards on PPC machines.
MorphOS probably doesn't have a card.resource for the Powerbooks' PCMCIA/CardBus slot, but if it did you could perhaps use the 68k WPA prism2.device.
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Live-CD runs perfectly on my PBook 15" 1.67 (not the high-res one). But when I try to install using manual partition, I'm able to resize OSX partition but I'm a little bit confused about what to do next.
1) I have created a small 1GB HFS Partition + a big 20gb SFS partition. I tried some other options as well, but MorphOS complains about "Not a valid DOS partition" or something.
Where can I find information about what do I need to manually do in order to procceed?
Rgds,
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I guess what aggravates me is the double-standard in the geek world. 16 Apple //e computers networked together is uber; running TCP/IP on a 1982 Timex is cool*; building a watch out of Nixie tubes is bonerific; but an operating system with modern capabilities for PowerPC is just a bunch of old farts trying to hold onto a dead dream and beat a dead horse.
I think the problem is that most of the /. "geeks" moved on from Amigas themselves, or their contemporaries, when they personally decided that they were "dead". Therefore, because they think the platform is dead, that means the platform is dead, and anyone still using it is in denial and flogging a dead horse (which must be dead because they abandoned it long ago, Q.E.D.).
The whole concept of it not actually being dead even though they stopped using it doesn't even occur to many people there.
As you may be able to tell, I don't bother reading /. any more. It's too depressing, loads of apparent geeks who really believe that using an Apple (for MacOS) genuinely is "thinking different".
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I'm not a fan of the 'tiered' pricing. It's all the same OS.
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G4s aren't old enough to be "cool" yet, running a different OS with capabilities similar to other OSes on them isn't particularly impressive.
"Oh look! I'm browsing the web on a Powerbook!" and "Oh look! I'm browsing the web on a C64!" are two very different things.
Which is partly my point. I don't see a lot of sneers about PPC Linux. And Linux, Android, and the rest were "different" OSes at some point in their lives, too. There's just no parity here -- the out-crowd has become the in-crowd they hated so much. "Geeks" have turned into "Lady GaGa-esque fame hags."
I blame Steve Jobs for making geek chic. :laugh1:
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Live-CD runs perfectly on my PBook 15" 1.67 (not the high-res one). But when I try to install using manual partition, I'm able to resize OSX partition but I'm a little bit confused about what to do next.
1) I have created a small 1GB HFS Partition + a big 20gb SFS partition. I tried some other options as well, but MorphOS complains about "Not a valid DOS partition" or something.
Where can I find information about what do I need to manually do in order to procceed?
See the Dual-boot MorphOS and MacOS X on a Mac Mini G4 (http://library.morphzone.org/Dual-boot_MorphOS_and_MacOS_X_on_a_Mac_Mini_G4) guide. It applies to PowerBook as well.
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See the Dual-boot MorphOS and MacOS X on a Mac Mini G4 (http://library.morphzone.org/Dual-boot_MorphOS_and_MacOS_X_on_a_Mac_Mini_G4) guide. It applies to PowerBook as well.
Thanks. I'll try it at night at home.
About this:
"As mentioned in the Prerequisites section, in case you have an existing OSX installation, you will have to resize its partition to make some room for MorphOS. Since not everybody has retail Leopard DVD, I will use Ubuntu to explain how to do this."
Strangely enough, I was able to resize my OSX partition inside MorphOS! Is that a new feature of 3.0 or a bug?
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I think the problem is that most of the /. "geeks" moved on from Amigas themselves, or their contemporaries, when they personally decided that they were "dead". Therefore, because they think the platform is dead, that means the platform is dead, and anyone still using it is in denial and flogging a dead horse (which must be dead because they abandoned it long ago, Q.E.D.).
The whole concept of it not actually being dead even though they stopped using it doesn't even occur to many people there.
As you may be able to tell, I don't bother reading /. any more. It's too depressing, loads of apparent geeks who really believe that using an Apple (for MacOS) genuinely is "thinking different".
If they were running something pathetic as Windows ME and now have the MorphOS choice too then sure, but is MorphOS adding any new ability to a G4 1.67ghz PB which had OSX installed on it? No. That is why nobody cares, same reason as installing Linux on that machine is boring.
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I'm not a fan of the 'tiered' pricing. It's all the same OS.
But since each OS license is linked to the hardware it's a very reasonable solution IMHO. The previous situation with Efika license costing more than peg2/Mac Mini license caused that some people didn't register. Now it's perhaps a little late but better than nothing I guess.
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If they were running something pathetic as Windows ME and now have the MorphOS choice too then sure, but is MorphOS adding any new ability to a G4 1.67ghz PB which had OSX installed on it? No. That is why nobody cares, same reason as installing Linux on that machine is boring.
MorphOS is more responsive, plays HD videos better and faster and includes a nice HTML5 browser. Moreover, it allows you to run Amiga software (including PPC demos) at decent speeds, unlike OSX+uae. I can launch modern amiga demos directly (unlike OSX). MorphOS is supported and updated.
PS: I haven't benchmarked it but Poseidon seems faster than OSX transfering files through USB2. Perhaps RTCW is faster on MorphOS too.
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Thanks. I'll try it at night at home.
Yep.. and I can confirm the guide applies for the Powerbook as I was able to install MOS 3.0 on my Powerbook together with OSX.
Cheers,
Dragster.
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It looks like I will soon shock many of my friends, and join the MorphOS bandwagon.....
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Ok, I was able to install MorphOS 3.0 in my PB, but, I now can't boot from OSX.
Inside HDConfig, I can see the following:
* DH0: 64MB HFS 5% used
* - 128MB ???
* DH2: 63.98GB HFS NODOS (this is the OSX partition)
* DH1: 10.36GB SFS 1% used (this is MorphOS partition)
* - 8KB ???
When holding ALT during boot, only MorphOS HD is shown as bootable.
Someone can help me on that?
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Well, the OSX partition is not being mounted on MorphOS neither can be mounted/verified/repaired using Leopard installation DVD...
On MorphOS is not even identified as a Mac HFS or any other known type.
I think it's gone, forever!
Any suggestions?
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I would just erase it and reformat it for MorphOS. I still have dual boot option on my Mac mini and it never gets used.
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Well, the OSX partition is not being mounted on MorphOS neither can be mounted/verified/repaired using Leopard installation DVD...
On MorphOS is not even identified as a Mac HFS or any other known type.
I think it's gone, forever!
Any suggestions?
The OS X partition is a goner now. MorphOS doesn't know how to resize the filesystem.
If you wish to have a dual boot setup you need to start from the scratch by installing OS X, and then continuing with the instructions I posted before.
(While it might be possible to reinstall OS X without zapping MorphOS, I wouldn't count on it, and it might require some extensive tweaking. Using the good know procedure is the easiest route to successful dual installation)
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The OS X partition is a goner now. MorphOS doesn't know how to resize the filesystem.
If you wish to have a dual boot setup you need to start from the scratch by installing OS X, and then continuing with the instructions I posted before.
(While it might be possible to reinstall OS X without zapping MorphOS, I wouldn't count on it, and it might require some extensive tweaking. Using the good know procedure is the easiest route to successful dual installation)
Well, obviously the Powerbook is not my main machine, so, reinstall everything from scratch would'nt be a problem.
But, just as a suggestion, why resize is not disabled at HDConfig? Or, at least a warning explaining which formats MorphOS HDConfig Resize functionality is able to deal with?
Rgds,
Muffie.
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Actually installing OSX after MorphOS is a no-brainer when there allready is a big HFS(+) partition in place.
The OSX-installer will just let you use it but once it's done OSX will be the default boot-options (which can be changed by useing the last chapters of that dual-boot manual).
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I think It does add alot to a machine like that. Me? I think mac hardware is very nice but since I've run linux for many years, osx is just not that exciting to me, so I never bought a mac. I always thought they were way to expensive. On the used market though... 50-100$ is not bad for something to play with.
I keep saying I will buy a g4 mac for this, but haven't yet. If anyone has one cheap, pm me, especially if you'd like to trade for some amiga stuff. I have an amigamaniac svideo adapter, and svideo to vga adapter,an a500 brick power supply, and a bunch of aminet cdroms, maybe some other odds and ends.
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I would just erase it and reformat it for MorphOS. I still have dual boot option on my Mac mini and it never gets used.
While on the mini I share your experience, I think on the Powerbook a dual boot setup is rather handy. When at home you usually have choice of several computers and no particular reason to fire up OS X on that certain machine which is running MorphOS, but when on the road you usually have only one machine with you. Then it's nice to have a choice. As much as I like MorphOS it also has some software shortcomings which can be bridged by OS X.
But I suggest another dual boot setup (that's how I did it with my mini): Get a firewire hdd. Install MorphOS on the internal disk and OS X on the firewire disk. The fw cable is you boot menu then. If plugged in OS X starts, if not MorphOS boots straightly. A very clean solution. But requires the external drive which is no issue for a desktop machine, but kind of an issue on a mobile device.
I am not yet decided myself whether I'll use that solution for my powerbook or if I am going to do a dual boot on the internal drive.
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Actually installing OSX after MorphOS is a no-brainer when there allready is a big HFS(+) partition in place.
The OSX-installer will just let you use it but once it's done OSX will be the default boot-options (which can be changed by useing the last chapters of that dual-boot manual).
Don't you also need the according padding partitions? I never understood what exactly they are needed for by OS X...
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I guess what aggravates me is the double-standard in the geek world. 16 Apple //e computers networked together is uber; running TCP/IP on a 1982 Timex is cool*; building a watch out of Nixie tubes is bonerific; but an operating system with modern capabilities for PowerPC is just a bunch of old farts trying to hold onto a dead dream and beat a dead horse.
What modern capabilities? What year are you from? :laughing:
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MorphOS is more responsive, plays HD videos better and faster and includes a nice HTML5 browser. Moreover, it allows you to run Amiga software (including PPC demos) at decent speeds, unlike OSX+uae. I can launch modern amiga demos directly (unlike OSX). MorphOS is supported and updated.
PS: I haven't benchmarked it but Poseidon seems faster than OSX transfering files through USB2. Perhaps RTCW is faster on MorphOS too.
You have ofcourse data to back up these claims? I really don't notice much speed difference between MorphOS and Linux on my minimacs, and Linux for sure has way more features that are usefull for me.
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@kolla
you have a weird perception of time, linux on G4 minis is slow compared to morphos.
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Actually, I can sympathize with Kolla here: If you have a lightweight distro and a lightweight x11 manager it is no slower than MOS, of course Ambient is kickass to many of the basic x11 managers available.
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MiorphOS has never been tempting (so much fun!) (kind of hear "War: so much fun" from Cannon Fodder
Congrats on going mobile :-) Sadly, PPC Laptop macs are kind of hader to go buy then Mac Minis. At least it looks like that to me.
Just for thinking, I am willing to buy X1000 version of MOS 3.x and we`ll see how many users are too if you open "real community challenge" not the CUSA one (maybe include SAMs?) and remember Trevor offered you Nemo board.
Just like with OS4 for Peg2, best way to end wars is to have both apples and bannas together.
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You have ofcourse data to back up these claims? I really don't notice much speed difference between MorphOS and Linux on my minimacs, and Linux for sure has way more features that are usefull for me.
I care about amiga stuff, I don't give a f**k about linux. My HD videos play faster on MorphOS than on OSX and files are copied faster. I bet that videos are played faster than on linux too. But you wouldn't care anyway since you like linux and you have more fun typing cryptic commands on a shell so I doubt you know what a responsive system is. Even xfce feels slow compared to any Amiga desktop.
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I'm going to try upgrading today. Anyone try the new Scintilla based editor?
I was thinking I might start looking into getting a supported laptop, but without WLAN it won't be very useful to me, so is support for that planned?
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I'm honestly staggered that more people aren't annoyed that built in wifi in the PB's simply is non existent in 3.0. I sourced a cheap PB compatible with 3.0, only to find out it's a paperweight. A laptop without wireless support at OS level is a brick, a doorstop, a paperweight in this day and age. You don't buy a laptop with childish glee, dreaming about plugging it into a CAT 5 cable.
Just me on this one, lol? A PCMCIA card isn't an option on a laptop, it just rapes battery life even if it is supported by the OS.
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I care about amiga stuff, I don't give a f**k about linux. My HD videos play faster on MorphOS than on OSX and files are copied faster. I bet that videos are played faster than on linux too. But you wouldn't care anyway since you like linux and you have more fun typing cryptic commands on a shell so I doubt you know what a responsive system is. Even xfce feels slow compared to any Amiga desktop.
In terms of general usefulness, I think some Linux distros are way ahead of MorphOS even without a desktop environment. I get along quite fine with it on modest hardware with just ratpoison/openbox, and if there's something I want to do, I can rest assured that there's an application for it in the package repository. But I agree that MorphOS is much more responsive and lightweight, and seems more swift however you look at it. Typing cryptic commands on a shell isn't all that bad if it's the fastest way to get a job done. :)
Either way it is, it seems reasonable to ask you to back up hard claims with hard numbers, though!
I was looking at the list of features again, seeing the FUSE wrapper library. Does that mean I get to SSHFS? Seems like a killer feature to me.
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any better, couldn't get any faster, then MorphOS 3.0 is released! :) And there are so many improvements!
Everything feels a little bit faster. Some people has measured faster memory speed in general, some people has measured a great improvement in 3D graphics speed, network feels faster, and the Odyssey browser is up to 40% faster in version 1.17! Speaking of which, the changelog for Odyssey 1.17 isn't available on the net, so for those interested, here it is:
- 14.05.2012: Odyssey Web Browser 1.17
- Updated to WebKit r114842 (April 2012).
- Updated to Cairo 1.12 and Pixman 0.24.4: gives about 40% speedup in rendering.
- Updated to ICU 4.9.1: the data files are now stored externally in
PROGDIR:resource/icudt49b/ to save some memory. Make sure to copy them if you
update (a requester will warn you if you don't).
- Updated to OpenSSL 1.0.0j.
- Updated to Curl 7.25.0.
- Updated to FFMPEG GIT from 13.05.2012.
- Updated to SQLite 3.7.11.
- Updated to libXML2 2.7.8 and libXSLT 1.1.26.
- History completion popup is now multithreaded, which fixes a latency issue when
typing the URL.
- Implemented form filling completion feature. It can be enabled in prefs->privacy settings.
Note that you calltips.mcc is required, which is included with MorphOS 3+ or 2.x SDK
with Scribble.
- The "add bookmark" button now has two states, to indicate whether the current
URL is already bookmarked or not.
- Adding a bookmark from the browser window now always adds it to the end of
the bookmarks, and no longer at the end of the currently selected group.
- Added Back/Forward/Reload/Stop in view menu.
- The password from the URL is now removed if present, when setting the comment
of a downloaded file.
- Fixed the "Open in new window" function that didn't work anymore in 1.16 due
to the new popup policy option.
- Fixed attachments not working anymore in GMail.
- Fixed again AltGr key handling for GoogleDocs.
- Fixed pasting from clipboard when multiple text chunks are used (YAM does it).
- Escape unwanted characters in bookmarks URLs, aliases and titles.
- Prune favicons database at startup, since it can really grow a lot over time.
- Tweaked cross origin access control to make youtube video upload work.
- Fixed some issue with 401 handling. Should fix some cPanel administration pages,
for instance (hello Christoph and Pampers :)).
- Fixed pagination in PDF export.
- Fixed HTML5 local storage.
- Fixed some WebSocket potential crash issue at disconnection.
- Attempt to fix some deadlock issue in mediaplayer at disposal under heavy stress.
- Avoid spawning an useless video decoder thread for audio-only files, and vice-versa.
There is a simple and easy to use disk burning/copying tool for CD's and DVD's that really should be enough for most peoples needs in this area! :) There is also this tool - Flacapella - that rips CDDA (music CD's) to Flac/Waw format!
The OS features its own FTP/SFTP client now, works great. Now MorphOS has not only a great Web browser built in, but also a FTP client. A built-in mail client would make it kind of complete. ;)
The new PDF viewer is great! It's very fast and handles more complex PDF files. :)
Scribble is a very nice text editor built on Scintilla (http://www.scintilla.org/), in fact, scintilla is now part of the OS as a custom MUI class (Classes/MUI/Scintilla.mcc)! :cool: Scribble was previously part of the updated MorphOS SDK, but now it's available to everyone. You can see it in action here: http://www.morphos-team.net/files/scribble.mp4 (it's one of the nicest ones ever seen on Amiga IMHO)! :)
The integrated crypto File System "Kryptos" (based on TrueCrypt (http://www.truecrypt.org/)) was updated to TrueCrypt v7.0a.
*A lot* happened to Reggae (finally ;)):
Classes/Reggae/id3tag.demuxer - Basic handling of ID3v2 (2.2, 2.3, 2.4) tags.
Classes/Reggae/iffdeep.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for IFF DEEP images.
Classes/Reggae/iffdeep.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for IFF DEEP images.
Classes/Reggae/iffilbm.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for IFF ILBM images.
Classes/Reggae/iffilbm.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for IFF ILBM images.
Classes/Reggae/jpeg.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for JPEG images.
Classes/Reggae/jpeg.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for JPEG images.
Classes/Reggae/degas.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for Atari Degas/Neochrome images.
Classes/Reggae/degas.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for Atari Degas/Neochrome images.
Classes/Reggae/mpegaudio.demuxer - changes and fixes
Classes/Reggae/multiread.buffer - fixes
Classes/Reggae/pcx.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for PCX images.
Classes/Reggae/pcx.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for PCX images.
Classes/Reggae/png.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for PNG images.
Classes/Reggae/png.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for PNG images.
Classes/Reggae/rawaudio.filter - Added support for unsigned 16-bit PCM formats (both endians).
Classes/Reggae/rawvideo.filter [NEW] - Wrapper class for processing raw PCM video streams in different formats.
Classes/Reggae/sunraster.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for SunRaster images.
Classes/Reggae/sunraster.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for SunRaster images.
Classes/Reggae/targa.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for Targa images.
Classes/Reggae/targa.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for Targa images.
Classes/Reggae/videopcm.decoder - supports many formats, AltiVec accelerated
I think we see a "Datatypes NG" sailing up here, and this is very cool! :D
Jukebox is a simple but very nice music player based on Reggae!
The Lua scripting language is now part of the system, with an additional module that allows sending commands to applications in a way compatible with ARexx. This is great! :)
A netprinter.device was added, spellchecker.library was added, etc (you can use it in Odyssey for example). Lots of minor additions, fixes and improvements, all over the place! And the *Video Thumbnails*! How cool isn't that?! :D
MUI got more eyecandy, it's faster and more debugged. Ambient is very tight with MUI, and you notice small but important improvements in Ambient on many places! The best Amiga desktop just became better! :D
Another big thing about MorphOS 3.0 is that a lot of work has gone into supporting laptop technologies. As a result, MorphOS now features Battery sensor, temperature readings, setting backlight, power saving, multi finger touchpad support, etc. This resulted in:
Native PowerBook support! :D
And I guess that when much of the required laptop technology is in place, it gets much easier to continue this path (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8042&forum=11&start=98)... ;)
The price drop of the OS is very welcome I think:
MacMini
PowerMac
eMac
Pegasos1
Pegasos2
... they all down to just €79 now! :) And the Efika down to €49! I registered MorphOS 2.0 back when it was released in 2008, and it has been a free ride ever since, all upgrades for free, even the jump to 3.x! Conclusion: Great value! :)
I am very impressed with MorphOS 3.0, and I'm very happy about it!
The best just became a hell of a lot better! Go get it! :pint:
:)
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Now just the wireless driver and it'll all be good :)
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Now just the wireless driver and it'll all be good :)
There is no denying in that, but for those who isn't constantly moving around while using their computer (some actually have no problem in accessing a suitable cable), it might actually be good *already* you know! ;)
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I'm honestly staggered that more people aren't annoyed that built in wifi in the PB's simply is non existent in 3.0. I sourced a cheap PB compatible with 3.0, only to find out it's a paperweight. A laptop without wireless support at OS level is a brick, a doorstop, a paperweight in this day and age. You don't buy a laptop with childish glee, dreaming about plugging it into a CAT 5 cable.
Just me on this one, lol? A PCMCIA card isn't an option on a laptop, it just rapes battery life even if it is supported by the OS.
Sad to say I have to agree with this.
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I'm honestly staggered that more people aren't annoyed that built in wifi in the PB's simply is non existent in 3.0. I sourced a cheap PB compatible with 3.0, only to find out it's a paperweight. A laptop without wireless support at OS level is a brick, a doorstop, a paperweight in this day and age. You don't buy a laptop with childish glee, dreaming about plugging it into a CAT 5 cable.
Just me on this one, lol? A PCMCIA card isn't an option on a laptop, it just rapes battery life even if it is supported by the OS.
Actually, I posted this thread on MorphZone just before the release of 3.0.
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8496&forum=3
And, yes, it still pisses me off that more effort wasn't put toward this.
I have no interest in a tethered notebook.
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You have ofcourse data to back up these claims? I really don't notice much speed difference between MorphOS and Linux on my minimacs, and Linux for sure has way more features that are usefull for me.
Are you for real?. Even using a lightweight desktop as lxde, it's slower than mos, and it is a fact. Have you tried morphos on that same machine?
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Actually, I posted this thread on MorphZone just before the release of 3.0.
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8496&forum=3
And, yes, it still pisses me off that more effort wasn't put toward this.
I have no interest in a tethered notebook.
The argument that most people do not move their laptops around is probably correct. The alienware Laptop I have just ordered is a desktop replacement, and my current laptops spend most of their time on the coffee table.
That is not to say that Me or the wife would be happy with a CAT5 cable trailing across the living room.
The apparent lack of interest of getting wifi capabilities in the os is really starting to sour things for me.
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The argument that most people do not move their laptops around is probably correct. The alienware Laptop I have just ordered is a desktop replacement, and my current laptops spend most of their time on the coffee table.
That is not to say that Me or the wife would be happy with a CAT5 cable trailing across the living room.
The apparent lack of interest of getting wifi capabilities in the os is really starting to sour things for me.
IMNSHO, ten years ago a lack of interest in wireless wouldn't have been a big issue. In 2012, however, wireless networks are pretty much ubiquitous. I have some networks (mostly home networks) which are nothing BUT wireless. Having said that, the target audience for MorphOS isn't necessarily an AirPort-centric network, and for my MacMini wireless is a convenience more than a necessity. A laptop without wireless is none the less silly.
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In terms of general usefulness, I think some Linux distros are way ahead of MorphOS even without a desktop environment.
In terms of general usefulness I think Windows is *much* more useful than all your linux distros together, but I care more about general amiga-ness, that's why I care about Amiga apps, Amiga demos,...
I get along quite fine with it on modest hardware with just ratpoison/openbox, and if there's something I want to do, I can rest assured that there's an application for it in the package repository.
Feel free to launch MAWI demos like Fluffy Digital Snowflakes on your Linux box.
But I agree that MorphOS is much more responsive and lightweight, and seems more swift however you look at it. Typing cryptic commands on a shell isn't all that bad if it's the fastest way to get a job done. :)
Having crap GUIs is the usual linux excuse to use cli.
Either way it is, it seems reasonable to ask you to back up hard claims with hard numbers, though!
IIRC there are various benchmarks showing MPlayer and other players running on OS4/MorphOS/Linux/OSX. I don't have much time to perform tests but could do it in some weeks I guess
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Now just the wireless driver and it'll all be good :)
...and 3D support for Powerbooks...
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I was hoping for an A1104 12", bu tI don't see any 12's supported. (Yes, odd that I want a small 12) I plan to have a decent PC workstation laptop, the hypothetical OS4 netbook, and if I get a MorphOS one too then I'd like it to be smaller as well so I'm not carrying around a ton of stuff.
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I was hoping for an A1104 12", bu tI don't see any 12's supported. (Yes, odd that I want a small 12) I plan to have a decent PC workstation laptop, the hypothetical OS4 netbook, and if I get a MorphOS one too then I'd like it to be smaller as well so I'm not carrying around a ton of stuff.
Nothing odd about wanting a small laptop, saves circulation in your legs ;) Sadly, though, the 12" models aren't likely to be supported, as they use an nVidia chip for which there's very little information available to hobbyist/small-scale developers.
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The argument that most people do not move their laptops around is probably correct. The alienware Laptop I have just ordered is a desktop replacement, and my current laptops spend most of their time on the coffee table.
That is not to say that Me or the wife would be happy with a CAT5 cable trailing across the living room.
The apparent lack of interest of getting wifi capabilities in the os is really starting to sour things for me.
The only time I use a laptop or other portable device is when I'm on the move (otherwise I use one of my desktops).
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I use a laptop as my main machine, and the only time it's on a flat surface is when I'm using it to look up information for one of the computers on my desk, or when I'm eating. Most of my computer usage is on the bed or on the couch.
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@wifi discussion
Don't you realize you're kicking in open doors here? Is anyone claiming WiFi is a bad idea?
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In terms of general usefulness I think Windows is *much* more useful than all your linux distros together, but I care more about general amiga-ness, that's why I care about Amiga apps, Amiga demos,...
Well, the Amiga demos that you can run under MorphOS are a serious minority, so judging by your own requirements you'd probably be better of with classic hardware and OS 3.x, I think. There's no point arguing over what OS is better if there's no common point of reference, anyway.
Having crap GUIs is the usual linux excuse to use cli.
At this point I assume that you are just trolling. What I'm trying to say is that a CLI is very useful for some tasks, regardless of the GUI. If you disagree with that, I guess you have been too busy watching Fluffy Digital Snowflakes to do anything seriously productive with your computer.
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@wifi discussion
Don't you realize you're kicking in open doors here? Is anyone claiming WiFi is a bad idea?
No, no one is saying the addition of support for wifi for the PPC Mac portables within MOS would be anything BUT a tremendously good thing for MOS. People are merely curious why it isn't there already, and in lieu of an answer to that, when/if it should even be expected. Despite what many people are claiming, that people don't buy laptops (new or used) with the intent to use them (sometimes solely) on wifi networks, a portable computer should have portable, wireless connectivity. Anything less is unacceptable - I wouldn't buy a brand new commodity laptop if I knew the wifi chip in it was essentially useless, even if I didn't have issues with using 30 foot CAT 5 cables to get it networked.
I'll shoulder 99% of my own stupidity for not checking that it would 100% supported within 3.0 before I picked up a PB, but at the end of the day I've got a laptop that's essentially non functional to me without wifi support at OS level. One would have assumed support for PPC Mac portables would include wifi, defeats the purpose of a portable system otherwise, no?
Was looking forward to porting some programs from OS4 to MOS in a comfortable (portable) setting on this PB I bought, and I need network connectivity for that. CAT 5 or add on cards aren't an option.
Again, I asked before: is there an ETA on wifi support for the PB's, or do I have myself a shiny boat anchor here? Feel free to PM me the answer if you like, I get no joy from picking nits over this in a public fashion, as I know the MOS guys busted ass getting 3.0 out the door. I've got no interest in running Linux or OS X on it, I already have Linux, Windows and OS X portables.
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No ETA but you can bet your life it`s getting worked on so just play with it as it is for now I guess. It`s only a toy after all!
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Was looking forward to porting some programs from OS4 to MOS in a comfortable (portable) setting on this PB I bought, and I need network connectivity for that.
I usually need some editor and a compiler for coding, unless I code some application that needs network itself.
CAT 5 or add on cards aren't an option. Is there an ETA on wifi support for the PB's, or do I have myself a shiny boat anchor here?
Normaly I would say get some Asus WL330gE and you have wifi right now, but since you don´t accept any additional hardware, I would say don´t wait for it.
Support for the known wireless pcmcia cards will be added to one of the next MorphOS updates.
The wireless stuff is simply not ready to be used by the masses.
Geit
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The wireless stuff is simply not ready to be used by the masses.
Really? I mean, when you say "the masses" you're really talking about that miniscule group of people that a) can be assed getting an ancient Mac b) know what morphos is c) can be bothered to pay the exorbitant fee to purchase it and then install it and d) know that they're using an OS that is crippled in terms of hardware it supports and software it runs.
I think if the wireless isn't ready for those "masses" then it must be a state of non-written-ness.
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Really? I mean, when you say "the masses" you're really talking about that miniscule group of people that a) can be assed getting an ancient Mac b) know what morphos is c) can be bothered to pay the exorbitant fee to purchase it and then install it and d) know that they're using an OS that is crippled in terms of hardware it supports and software it runs.
I think if the wireless isn't ready for those "masses" then it must be a state of non-written-ness.
Are you really suggesting that users should be manually writing cryptic wpa_supplicant.conf files in order to get online? This stuff really is not ready for wider audiences yet.
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@Piru
I trust you guys in your judgement when something is ready. EvilGuy is too used to everything being handed to him. I really, really think all you developers get unloaded on for no good reason.
@EvilGuy
If you want to bitch and moan about how unfair it is, do it elsewhere. We do not take kindly to immature people here, believe me I know. I have my own gripes about MorphOS but I just choose to keep it as a hobby OS.
People are crazy if they can really expect MorphOS to be a daily use system even yet. It still lacks a myriad of things, so I choose OS X for everyday use, especially since OS X is only $30 to buy, compared to that bloated piece of crap called windows that I just end up torrenting every so often when I want it.
And wireless is convenient, but it definitely pays to have an old fashioned wired connection, especially when you have a big enough house that pockets of it are out of range of the router
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"feature X, that is taken for granted today, is not actually needed at all". Windows user in 1990, Amiga user in 1994, linux user in 96, or MOS user in 2012?
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"feature X, that is taken for granted today, is not actually needed at all". Windows user in 1990, Amiga user in 1994, linux user [strike]in 96[/strike] 1993-present, or MOS user in 2012?
Fixed that for you.
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obligatory xkcd:
http://xkcd.com/619/
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hah, that's funny :)
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Sweet Yeti of the Serengeti! How much for a G4 PowerBook these days?
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Thread merge. Sorry, Harry, I approved them in the order I saw them :D
Hi,
If its over 2 centavos, cents, peso, it is just too much.
smerf
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Another looney says
[MorphOS, OS4 and Classic Amiga systems are the only ones who are real 'Amigas', not that joke AROS or Amiga Forever.]
It is so nice of you to let us know what real Amiga's are, since I was with the REAL Amiga two weeks after it hit the market, I would dare to say that MorphOS is just another Amiga emulator that works on just a MAC. I do not consider MorphOS or OS4 to be real Amiga's. They are very poor emulators of the Amiga system. The Amiga Forever emulator is closer to the real Amiga then anything else out there, it is mostly automatic so any beginning computer user can load up an Amiga program wheter it be NTSC/Pal, AGA or PAL. It even emulates a 4 disk system when you have a program that has more than 1 floppy disk, by this I mean it will run an old 4 disk program by automatically sensing that this program has 4 disks and automatically sets up for a four disk drive system. Amiga Forever even senses CD32 cd when placed in your CD drive. It is the utmost in Amiga Emulation, nothing else compares to it's simplicity, not even the real Amiga itself.
To say that MorphOS is a classic Amiga, is like saying a VW is like a Ferrari, there is just no way that MorphOS can compete with Amiga Forever, it is just too simple of a computer emulator that needs a lot more work to even compare with version one of the original WinUAE.
Sorry but the truth should be known.
smerf
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"Just like the atom bomb... everybody's having a good time, then BOOM!"
*sigh*
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If you want to bitch and moan about how unfair it is, do it elsewhere.
Its not unfair. If people want to spend money on something that isn't finished by modern standards then so be it. A fool and their money are easily parted.
But like you said, its a hobby OS - nobody is expecting morphos to be a serious anything, right?
Are you really suggesting that users should be manually writing cryptic wpa_supplicant.conf files in order to get online? This stuff really is not ready for wider audiences yet.
Morphos isn't ready for the wider audiences. If it was, it would have functional wireless however the people who are going to be paying for this probably are the ones who'd be bothered to fiddle with configuration files.
(Hell, if morphos was ready for the wider audience it'd be running on hardware created in the last few years, not something you need to grab from dumpster diving - but that's probably a whole new thread..)
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the people who are going to be paying for this probably are the ones who'd be bothered to fiddle with configuration files.
Considering that:
a) Future update will add the wireless functionality (and it will be a free update) and
b) getting the wireless into 3.0 would have meant even more delay for the 3.0 release
...I don't think this is unreasonable situation. Of course if you insist on having wireless you can of course wait for the update.
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Thanks for the update, Piru. All I needed to know about 3.0 was the wireless was coming in due time, so I can hang onto the PB 'til you get that done.
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@Piru
The future update will this be wirelss for pcmcia cards, usb wirless dongles, the bulit in wirless on PBs , the airport cards in mac minis, or all ?
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@Piru
The future update will this be wirelss for pcmcia cards, usb wirless dongles, the bulit in wirless on PBs , the airport cards in mac minis, or all ?
At least for the moment this does not include the built-in WLAN (airport). Of course having support for the built-in WLAN would be the optimum solution, and it may be that this will be looked into in the future.
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Ok thanks for the info. USB dongles would obviously be the best other solution :)
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Well, the Amiga demos that you can run under MorphOS are a serious minority, so judging by your own requirements you'd probably be better of with classic hardware and OS 3.x, I think. There's no point arguing over what OS is better if there's no common point of reference, anyway.
I care about Amiga software. The only unix software I'm interested is the correctly ported one. CLI ported apps are crap. alien-GUI ported apps are crap too
At this point I assume that you are just trolling. What I'm trying to say is that a CLI is very useful for some tasks, regardless of the GUI. If you disagree with that, I guess you have been too busy watching Fluffy Digital Snowflakes to do anything seriously productive with your computer.
I use cli to launch scripts that automate tasks and to compile, but for normal use it's usually slower than GUI (unless your GUI is absolutely crap).
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Here's a little article with pics and video of MorphOS 3: What's New in MorphOS 3 (http://jpv.wmhost.com/morphos/morphos3/index.html)
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Here's a little article with pics and video of MorphOS 3: What's New in MorphOS 3 (http://jpv.wmhost.com/morphos/morphos3/index.html)
Doesn't mention this (which I think is significant):
"SATA
- Fixed SATA cards support on PowerMacs.
SCSI
- Fixed Symbios SCSI cards support on PowerMacs"
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Another looney says
[MorphOS, OS4 and Classic Amiga systems are the only ones who are real 'Amigas', not that joke AROS or Amiga Forever.]
It is so nice of you to let us know what real Amiga's are, since I was with the REAL Amiga two weeks after it hit the market, I would dare to say that MorphOS is just another Amiga emulator that works on just a MAC. I do not consider MorphOS or OS4 to be real Amiga's. They are very poor emulators of the Amiga system. The Amiga Forever emulator is closer to the real Amiga then anything else out there, it is mostly automatic so any beginning computer user can load up an Amiga program wheter it be NTSC/Pal, AGA or PAL. It even emulates a 4 disk system when you have a program that has more than 1 floppy disk, by this I mean it will run an old 4 disk program by automatically sensing that this program has 4 disks and automatically sets up for a four disk drive system. Amiga Forever even senses CD32 cd when placed in your CD drive. It is the utmost in Amiga Emulation, nothing else compares to it's simplicity, not even the real Amiga itself.
To say that MorphOS is a classic Amiga, is like saying a VW is like a Ferrari, there is just no way that MorphOS can compete with Amiga Forever, it is just too simple of a computer emulator that needs a lot more work to even compare with version one of the original WinUAE.
Sorry but the truth should be known.
smerf
I have a few issues with this post of yours:
- You childishly call me a looney, when many here may say the same about you. He who lives in a house made of glass should NOT throw stones.
- You misinterpret my statements. By grouping OS4, MorphOS and Classic Amigas together, I am NOT calling them Amigas in the sense of C=. I am merely stating that, by this development chart here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/AmigaOS_3_and_clones.svg/500px-AmigaOS_3_and_clones.svg.png You can clearly see the relationships of MorphOS and OS4 to OS 3.1. I am discounting AROS because it has many, many underpinnings of Linux, plus the majority of the community arent very courteous. Amiga Forever is discounted because of a few reasons. First off, it is merely a wrapper for the original 68k OS, with not a single line of contributed code to the OS 3.1-3.9 codebase. MorphOS has transcended the classic Amiga, while retaining WarpOS compatibility and adapting to more recent hardware. All Amiga forever acts is as a "Franken Amiga" reanimating the original OS on modern PCs. It therefore is a glorified DOSBOX for the Amiga platform. Also, ever since MorphOS, when i do use it, allows for moutning of floppies and images i can move beyond the contrains of floppies, which I have always hated. When I make some programs for MOS and Amiga, I plan on releasing them via digital distribution.
- Finally, this: "To say that MorphOS is a classic Amiga, is like saying a VW is like a Ferrari, there is just no way that MorphOS can compete with Amiga Forever, it is just too simple of a computer emulator ." First of all, I never claimed that it was a classic Amiga. See above list. Secondly, Cloanto has been an arse to the Amiga community by not providing a free, if basic, legal solution to the distribution of Kickstart and WB. By profiting on us, they are biting us in the arse. And anyways, by your line of reasoning I could say that the M4 rifle is nothing more than an AR-10 emulator. Kind of paradoxical since the original AR-10 only shares some design architecture (direct impingement gas operation) with the M4
Finally, I just plain don't like the fact that you sit there and bring nothing but chaos to conversations. So, I have a suggestion for you: Go sodo**** some other fora, such as 4chan.
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Here's a little article with pics and video of MorphOS 3: What's New in MorphOS 3 (http://jpv.wmhost.com/morphos/morphos3/index.html)
A very nice little article indeed, with screenshots and a video, well worth having a look at! :)
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I am merely stating that, by this development chart here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/AmigaOS_3_and_clones.svg/500px-AmigaOS_3_and_clones.svg.png You can clearly see the relationships of MorphOS and OS4 to OS 3.1.
IMHO, that is a poor picture, misleading in several ways — The 3.1 API is *the* common denominator for all of them (with their respective "additions"/evolution on top of that), but the pictures makes it look like OS4 would be built on some "3.9 API" (the 3.5 and 3.9 releases were merely OS 3.1 that had most of the common third party apps, patches and add-on's that people used bundled with it, no real OS API evolution to speak of, right?), and the graphical design is erroneous in the way that it makes AROS look "on par" with OS 3.9, MorphOS as being derived from AROS and OS4 as being derived from OS 3.9 (AFAIK there never was any such connection), and OS4 as being "on par" with MorphOS. It also has some strange "Source code" line, which has always been a somewhat artificial as an argument (and not entirely true, technically speaking) with no relevance in practice anyway. Here is an alternative picture, that illustrates the various flavors from an Amiga OS 68k *time line* perspective instead:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2369/5795704853_b722d5d487_z.jpg) (http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2369/5795704853_b722d5d487_b.jpg)
The leftmost column is Amiga OS (68k), the three rightmost columns represents the "NG" options in the order in which they were introduced, and the lines symbolizes their respective introduction from a 68k release perspective (note that the month for MorphOS introduction is wrong, first public MorphOS release was 02-Aug-2000). At the bottom (in the "Modern times" row) of the Amiga OS (68k) column there is something that symbolizes the efforts of making new/updated 68k OS releases (connections to AROS there) for use either with UAE, real Amigas, or something like NatAmi (if that ever gets here). There is also a line symbolizing a connection between AROS and MorphOS (not in any way meaning that they are the same at all, of course).
Again — the 3.1 API is a *given*, that's what defines "Amiga" post Commodore, and no "lines" are needed to illustrate this in misleading charts IMHO. :)
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I couldn't see any misleading in the original Wikipedia chart - but in regards of misleading, where, please, can I obtain that "AmigaOS +"?
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There are some API extensions in OS 3.9 which made it to OS 4.0. Mostly AVL stuff in Exec and some Workbench extensions. AROS and MorphOS on the other hand dont implement 3.9 API.
But I agree that drawing is giving an impression that AROS is stuck at 3.9 level. It is misleading in many ways.
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in regards of misleading, where, please, can I obtain that "AmigaOS +"?
Depends on what you mean? What *I* meant was some kind of common term describing all the developments post 3.9 for enhancing the 68k Amigas (including UAE, and indeed (if it ever will get here) the NatAmi) during the past 12 years, that either replaces (Open Source) or extends the features (or both) of the original OS, in parts, or as a whole. Some people are still interested in working on the 68k part of the community, Amikit is proof of that, and AROS 68k. An eventual NatAmi would be pointless if it didn't update parts of the OS to utilize the "new chips", and some obviously see a point in having an open source 68k OS, for various reasons. Not everyone considers 68k to be dead and replaced by OS4; it's not like Amiga "moved" to OS4 (or MorphOS), that's more of a parallel thing. The real Amigas are still here, there is *still* some development going on, maybe not very visible, but I really don't think it would be fair to neglect this in a chart aiming to describe the evolution and the situation of the Amiga platform at large.
BTW, What do you mean by "misleading"? If anything, it's that *other* picture that gives the false impression that all Amigans natural evolution path and interest would go from 3.1 to 3.5 to 3.9 to "4.0" in a straight line of descendants (and putting MorphOS and AROS aside BTW(!!)) and leaves no room for a *continuation* of the 68k, which obviously isn't the case! Many Amigans couldn't care less about OS4 (or MorphOS, or PPC, or x86 AROS or whatever), they think Amiga is 68k. Again, OS4 is more of a "parallel" thing, interesting to some, but it *has not* replaced the 68k Amigas if looking at the community as a whole, not by far, and AFAIK (and as I said above) development work is being put into *all four* parts of the community.
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I have a few issues with this post of yours:
I am discounting AROS because it has many, many underpinnings of Linux, plus the majority of the community arent very courteous.
You do realize OS4 has more linux/unix like features than AROS correct? Wait I know you still think it's 2001 and AROS has to run on linux right?
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What's going on with this "AmigaOS+"? Was it really worth swapping the ng for a + symbol?
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id say amiga os+ is clearly rather meant for additionally patched 68k system.
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You do realize OS4 has more linux/unix like features than AROS correct? Wait I know you still think it's 2001 and AROS has to run on linux right?
Hmm? I am well aware AROS does not need Linux, and frankly there is nothing wrong with Linux. However, when I used it about 2 years ago, I found the interface sugar-coated, and it generally did not stimulate much interest to me. But my point is that AROS has much less influence from the Amiga side compared to MorphOS. MorphOS and MUI/Ambient are both quite mature GUIs, very much like Aqua on the mac, simple, visually appealing and customizable. I just got a bad taste from AROS and the community as a whole. When I asked them for help on some issues I had transitioning from Amithlon's 3.9 shell, they sat and trolled me for a whole page of a thread. Idiotic to the max. I really have no need for a community project that reminds me of 4chan's userbase.
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Anyone know how many people actually work on MorphOS development?
- I see several complains about it, not only here (lack of Wireless & 3D for PBooks) but also at MorphZone (keymaps, network speed,...)
- I understand the herculean effort of the team in order to put something live,
I think this is a no-future situation. Even if it's a hobby for developers, I think it's time to re-think the "business model" of MorphOS development. Maybe open-source it and invite all the community to write drivers and etc (similar to Linux)...
I don't know the answer, but what I know is that we're close to a situation where
* MOS developers would "quit" and invest their free time on something more fun & profitable
* No more than 10 guys will complain about it
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Anyone know how many people actually work on MorphOS development?
- I see several complains about it, not only here (lack of Wireless & 3D for PBooks) but also at MorphZone (keymaps, network speed,...)
- I understand the herculean effort of the team in order to put something live,
I think this is a no-future situation. Even if it's a hobby for developers, I think it's time to re-think the "business model" of MorphOS development. Maybe open-source it and invite all the community to write drivers and etc (similar to Linux)...
I don't know the answer, but what I know is that we're close to a situation where
* MOS developers would "quit" and invest their free time on something more fun & profitable
* No more than 10 guys will complain about it
No, linux's model is not bad but currently Ubuntu is rife with issues, such as the crappy unity GUI and competing standards. And the MorphOS SDK is available, for any developers who wish to make drivers. I think it is more of a lack of full time developers and a unified community that create the current rifts. My model would be partially close off Morphzone to host only actual users who bought the OS, leaving a news and prospective user forum for non-users. From there we can get a more unified opinion of the community of users ( I myself will be buying a new license as soon as I have time to use MorphOS on a regular basis) and reduce the squabbling we have currently there. From that we could form a sort of "vote" where users have some say in what is worked on, when, at the developer's discretion. Once MorphOS has a bigger library of users we can begin to have full time developers who will develop for it.
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No, linux's model is not bad but currently Ubuntu is rife with issues, such as the crappy unity GUI and competing standards. And the MorphOS SDK is available, for any developers who wish to make drivers. I think it is more of a lack of full time developers and a unified community that create the current rifts. My model would be partially close off Morphzone to host only actual users who bought the OS, leaving a news and prospective user forum for non-users. From there we can get a more unified opinion of the community of users ( I myself will be buying a new license as soon as I have time to use MorphOS on a regular basis) and reduce the squabbling we have currently there. From that we could form a sort of "vote" where users have some say in what is worked on, when, at the developer's discretion. Once MorphOS has a bigger library of users we can begin to have full time developers who will develop for it.
So your way to unify the community is to close off the forums and make them exclusive? I think is a terrible idea! i don't understand how making the forums exclusive will stop the squabling.
The forums should be available for everyone not just a select few. We are trying to bring in users into the community not keep them out!
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@Kesa
Understandable, but I, and others, I am sure, are tired of hearing whines by naive members who want x feature, or want it on x machine. What I am suggesting is creating an actual user space, where people who actually use it can have their slice of pie. It is a filter, of sorts, to the 4chan overflow we get. To this end, it basically follows the rules many etats-unidans place on politics: if you do not vote, you cannot criticize. Applying it to MorphOS, you get: "If you aren't using it, you cannot complain.
The problem lies in people who cannot be appeased, much like the Knights of Ni they simply want more shrubberies than one can provide.
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I think this is a no-future situation. Even if it's a hobby for developers, I think it's time to re-think the "business model" of MorphOS development. Maybe open-source it and invite all the community to write drivers and etc (similar to Linux)...
It's not a trivial job to write a driver, especially if there is very little info about the device. There really aren't that many in this community who can do it properly, and then there's always the timeissue.. many of the capable ones are already fully occupied. Ambient is already opensourced so that's one way to support development.
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I am thinking maybe you take this whole thing too seriously. You need to sit back and just laugh at it all. That's the best way to combat the squabbling. Being dictatorial is definitely not the answer.
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id say amiga os+ is clearly rather meant for additionally patched 68k system.
Patched and somewhat evolved and developed (unofficially) in an decentralized and ad-hoc manner, by several independent entities, for the past 12 years and still going on today. The first image (who obviously someone put on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amigaos#Influence_on_other_operating_systems) :rolleyes:) tries to make it look like 3.x ended with Hyperions 4.0 release. For many people, 4.0 was never a continuation, but some kind of a *fork* on different hardware they never could connect to, hence always irrelevant to their Amiga interests, and various developments has continued (as mentioned above) on the 68k Amiga platform that indeed never ended, still goes on today, and that wikipedia picture does not show this. There are four directions in the Amiga community (listed in the order they appeared): Amiga (68k), AROS, MorphOS and OS4, and OS4 could very well be the least significant of them all; so in short: that wikipedia image has it completely screwed up!
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I was under the impression that OS4 was the only one of the three that actually used the OS 3 sources, though...? So it seems fair enough to have it as a continuation of the OS 3 line, while the others fork off (I wonder if the "Amiga.org censorship bot" will censor that).
The fact that OS 4 runs on different hardware is irrelevant, it does share its roots with OS3, and is the only one which does.
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It's not a trivial job to write a driver, especially if there is very little info about the device. There really aren't that many in this community who can do it properly, and then there's always the timeissue.. many of the capable ones are already fully occupied. Ambient is already opensourced so that's one way to support development.
Indeed, and drivers are at no use if you don't have any underlying technology in the OS to handle the kind of devices in question. A driver for a soundcard would be no fun without the AHI technology, a driver for a USB2 card would be no fun without an USB stack, a driver for some ethernet chip/card would be no fun without a TCP/IP stack. AFAIK there is much more to it than just a driver for the wireless HW to be developed, you must also create the technology that can utilize the drivers in a sensible way. MorphOS 3.0 made great progress by incorporating a lot of essential laptop technologies, like multi-finger touch pad, battery management, CPU throttling, back-light control, energy profile management, etc. Much of this work probably represents technologies that can be reused on other laptops, using other drivers.
Many people screamed for powerbook support in MorphOS, many wanted it now *despite* they knew WiFi wasn't ready. And there was *no secret* about the WiFi status, it has been in the open for a *very* long time, so why act surprised? I think the MorphOS team did the right thing to release it now. You can very much use the powerbooks for Internet, through cable, and all other essential laptop technologies (except bluetooth and WiFi) is present, as is all the benefits from MorphOS 3.0, the entire MorphOS with all the bells and whistles is there, it's not like it would be something completely unusable like some people wants to picture it.
Anyway, it's not like MorphOS 3.0 was all about Powerbook now, right? I don't have a powerbook, but there is so much new and improved stuff in MorphOS 3.0 that makes it worthy the version bump even without the new HW support. I think it's nothing short of amazing! :cool:
This is a safe claim: MorphOS 3.0 represents the *peak* of the entire Amiga evolution, all flavors/colors counted.
In short: MorphOS 3.0 is Amiga done right! :)
But don't take my word for it, go get some cheap Mac G4 and try for yourself! :D
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I was under the impression that OS4 was the only one of the three that actually used the OS 3 sources, though...?
Here is the thing: The source code for Amiga OS was created over a long period of time time using several different and more or less exotic programming languages and 68k assembler that were popular at the time (and this was a different time altogether), and it was very much hardcoded for 68k CPU's and the Amiga custom hardware (the HW was the point back then, the OS just a HW enabler). This is the "Amiga OS source code", but what OS4 is based on, is a *rewrite* of the Amiga OS source code in GCC, a cleanup so to say, with portability in mind thus stepping away from being hardcoded for A1200 etc. The real "Amiga OS source code" with the original toolchain etc that commodore used for the various OS components, should output OS 3.1 binaries that would be *identical* as those you can find on any 3.1 workbench disk, you should be able to do a CRC check and they would be one and the same. If you would compile the GCC *rewrite* of it however, it would *NOT* output identical binaries. Simply because it's a rewrite, for a different compiler, it's simply not the same sources anymore! The point of the rewrite was to create an OS with an identical Amiga API that could actually be used for further development and targeting HW beyond the Commodore Amigas that were already aging, and here is the point — in no way does this differ from MorphOS or AROS. Hence the "somewhat artificial as an argument (and not entirely true, technically speaking)" comment above. The API is the key, and AROS, MorphOS and OS4 have all made their own respective re-implementations of the OS in GCC to achieve this, at "alien" CPU's even! Maybe having access to the Amiga OS source code made the rewrite process easier and faster? Or maybe not? Because it's a fact that MorphOS has far better Amiga compatibility than OS4, and it was here long before OS4! ;) That's how relevant that "sources" argument is in practice... :)
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I'll ask you again TMHG, have you even tried OS4? Since you're stoking the red vs. blue fire, entertain me and answer the question.
You're the same guy that said 4.1u2 and 4.1u3 "didn't work for anyone", which was complete and utter bull****. You also claimed that incremental updates on Windows cost money, so you could fluff the MOS pillows with the free 3.0 update, which was BS entirely. Blatant lie that anyone that can type google.com can prove. I never paid a thin dime for *ANY* incremental windows update.
Second question: don't you ever get tired of listening to yourself preach?
Seems like every MOS thread you hijack into some second coming of Christ, complete with BS facts about the "enemy". It's a hobby platform, man. There's no "enemy" - we're all riding the exact same short bus in regards to how our platforms impact real, modern computing.
It's a terrific OS. I appreciate it as much as you do, I really do - but man, I've had multiple people tell me they won't register the damned thing due to zealots like you pounding the pulpit while slandering and lying about the competition. One compared you to a Jehovah's Witness. It's queered more deals for the MOS folks than you can imagine, dude. You have cost them sales, spamming general Amiga sites with nonsense. It's getting embarrassing.
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If those guys ever stop making MorphOS, this grandma dude is gonna off himself.
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I'll ask you again TMHG, have you even tried OS4?
I had a AmigaOne XE with OS4, but that was indeed a long time ago. Won't ever happen again, I swear! :)
You're the same guy that said 4.1u2 and 4.1u3 "didn't work for anyone"
More like OS4.1.3 was the most bug-ridden release of OS4 ever, which it was (this far at least). Occasionally you can *still* see posts from people trying to install OS4.1.4 and stumbles and fall on the OS4.1.3 release once they gets there (since you on OS4 have to first install the OS, and then the whole sequel of separate updates, one after another). OS4.1.4 was released to correct OS4.1.3, but to reach it, you'll have to make it through 4.1.3 in the update process. Works great for some, but far from everyone.
You also claimed that incremental updates on Windows cost money, so you could fluff the MOS pillows with the free 3.0 update
Eh, no ("Windows", WTF?!) but OS4.0 cost money, OS4.1 cost money and OS4.2 will cost money, and yet Hyperion boasted about "free upgrades as always" or something when they made some 4.1.x release, like it would be a generous deal. I bought MorphOS 2.0, paid once, and have got MorpOS 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 2.6, 2.7 and now 3.0, later 3.1, 3.2, 3.x, etc. And just for fun, you could compare what you actually got in those updates, both for OS4 and for MorphOS, and how much it cost you.
I never paid a thin dime for *ANY* incremental windows update.
Neither have I...
lying about the competition ... Jehovah's Witness ... Yada yada
Someone posted a picture from Wikipedia that obviously is erroneous and misleading, I talk about why. Someone posts a link with the usual "but it doesn't have the sources", and I talk about the sources. Someone made a post that MorphOS 3.0 would be worthless on Powerbook because it doesn't have WiFi yet, and I commented on that.
If you don't like what I have to say, don't read it. In threads, topics of discussion can evolve, that's natural in discussions, but this post of yours was the first really useless and completely off topic one in this thread this far. Utterly pointless. Congratulations!
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I care about Amiga software. The only unix software I'm interested is the correctly ported one. CLI ported apps are crap. alien-GUI ported apps are crap too
Sure, just rant about something else instead of actually responding to my argument.
I use cli to launch scripts that automate tasks and to compile, but for normal use it's usually slower than GUI (unless your GUI is absolutely crap).
I find CLIs useful a lot, not only in Linux, but also MorphOS, Amiga and Windows. I don't know what constitutes "normal" use, but unless it's limited to copying files from the root of one folder to another, named/sized/dated so that they show up in order, using simple CLI oneliners can save you a lot of hair if you know the tools of your system well.
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What I am suggesting is creating an actual user space, where people who actually use it can have their slice of pie. It is a filter, of sorts, to the 4chan overflow we get. To this end, it basically follows the rules many etats-unidans place on politics: if you do not vote, you cannot criticize. Applying it to MorphOS, you get: "If you aren't using it, you cannot complain.
Their own place where they get to sit around, pat each other on the backs and let each other know how good a job they're doing. Sounds awesome. When the circle is finished, who eats the cookie?
The problem lies in people who cannot be appeased, much like the Knights of Ni they simply want more shrubberies than one can provide.
The problem is, some people are so in love with morphos/os4 that they can't handle criticism. Saying anything negative about their idol is an attack on them personally. A sheltered community of like-minded users isn't going to make things better.
But hey, good luck with your cult.
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I find CLIs useful a lot, not only in Linux, but also MorphOS, Amiga and Windows.
Years ago, when Amiga users had the skills to actually type commands into the command line, it was regarded as a special Amiga-ness that the GUI and CLI were so nicely integrated.
Ah, the good old days :-)
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Sure, just rant about something else instead of actually responding to my argument.
I'm just saying I'm interested in Amiga apps. For me it doesn't matter if your Linux box runs 1020102 GTK crashy apps. I prefer to run Amiga software and that's why I'm interested on Amiga-like OSes. Binary,source&philosophy incompatible with AmigaOS means it's not interesting to me. I prefer to use any Amiga paint package instead of the horrible gimp.
I find CLIs useful a lot, not only in Linux, but also MorphOS, Amiga and Windows. I don't know what constitutes "normal" use, but unless it's limited to copying files from the root of one folder to another, named/sized/dated so that they show up in order, using simple CLI oneliners can save you a lot of hair if you know the tools of your system well.
I mean that I prefer to write mails using SimpleMail or Yam rather than sendmail or using pop/smtp commands through telnet. I prefer to use subversion GUIs instead of cli versions. I prefer to use apps with GUIs integrated, with ARexx ports etc instead of cli apps with a badly written GTK gui that are not up to date with cli version and since the linux GUIs are usually badly written you have to edit configuration files scattered through the filesystem tree because unix developers simply are not capable of thinking in alternative ways. All distros are mostly the same with the exception of a few package installers. If you have chosen some BeOS derivative like Haiku at least it has some Amiga spirit, but unix has been the same since the 70s and linux guys simply cloned it and published it with another license but it's not amiga-like, it's anti-intuitive even if you dress it with some fancy installers and skins because when you want to do something slightly different everything crashes and burns. Having good CLI is good? sure! should CLI be an excuse to avoid building apps with decent GUIs? no!. BTW, all these Linux GUI toolkits even the ones presented as "light" are usually quite resource hungry and slow. I prefer using visual diff tools instead of cli ones. I prefer managing all my project files using a gui instead of handling them through cli. I prefer to refactorize classes using GUIs instead of using find and sed to replace names. I prefer to debug graphically instead of using gdb.
As I have said Linux GUIs are usually crap because they claim you can do much better with command line, but it's a bad excuse since they are not capable of producing decent GUIs with access to all program features.
Anyway, I'm interested on Amiga software so I don't care much about what linux distro you run on your laptop because it doesn't run amiga software and has nothing to do with amiga, crap directory structure, crap guis that break and force the user to edit config files by hand instead of default basic gui options... and bad software too, if you talk about productivity Windows runs rings aroung linux. If you are interested on amiga at all you'll want to use Amiga software I guess. And for me that means using AROS/MorphOS/AmigaOS... linux is not amiga. Haiku looks nice and doesn't stink like unix.
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About MorphOS team, I'm not questioning how hard it is to create a driver, I'm questioning the model that those guys are following. In a good way:
- They're doing extreme programing there for almost nothing. I'm almost sure that the license price would be unable to cover 10% of the hours they took to put everything in place.
- We (the community) and some specialized websites like slashdot, are complaining about missing features and some bugs. Mostly due to our anxiety to use a "modern" and "complete" Amiga-like OS.
==> Ex: lack of wifi is really bad for a notebook these days. People waited for a long time to get their hands on 3.0, so, they got Angry. But we know we all rushed them for a release, and we all know how hard it should have been to release it.
See, everyone is right.
The community (all together) must think a way to make this -hobby- something barely profitable to the ones working on it, or a way to caught the attention of more developers. We cannot be restricted just to the Amiga community.
I also don't know the answer, but I'm sure there must be a way out there. Otherwise, who knows how long it would take to MorphOS to be abandoned sw?
*PS* Closing the forums at morphzone is really non-sense! :)
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I may well have used morphos more had the licence and model been different. Have had a ppc mac mini here, currently not doing a lot too. I think there are still some devs who could contribute to something like this had things been different. I contribute back to a bunch of software I use, but mostly on linux - as I found that more compatible with what I wanted from an OS (and in terms of licence etc).
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There are some API extensions in OS 3.9 which made it to OS 4.0. Mostly AVL stuff in Exec and some Workbench extensions. AROS and MorphOS on the other hand dont implement 3.9 API.
AROS also has the AVL stuff and probably some of other OS4 extensions. We also have some of the MOS extensions.
greets,
Staf.
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Hmm? I am well aware AROS does not need Linux, and frankly there is nothing wrong with Linux. However, when I used it about 2 years ago, I found the interface sugar-coated, and it generally did not stimulate much interest to me. But my point is that AROS has much less influence from the Amiga side compared to MorphOS. MorphOS and MUI/Ambient are both quite mature GUIs, very much like Aqua on the mac, simple, visually appealing and customizable. I just got a bad taste from AROS and the community as a whole. When I asked them for help on some issues I had transitioning from Amithlon's 3.9 shell, they sat and trolled me for a whole page of a thread. Idiotic to the max. I really have no need for a community project that reminds me of 4chan's userbase.
It was before or after the papercuts (last year)? Plus, there will be the alternative of scalOs once the ABIv1 transition will be done; however, if you can point me to the thread on a-e will give it a look.
Saimon69
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I do not understand what happened and why because I am also a member of the Aros community, (mostly :-) ) very politely and saw other members also very politely and helpful. All are human so perhaps something has gone wrong and escalated but I saw similar things in ALL camps. So saying most of the Aros community is not curteous is not only wrong but also a little offending to me.
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"am discounting AROS because it has many, many underpinnings of Linux"
to say Aros has less in common with 3.1. than f.e. AOS is a little funny. I am working on a distribution that is based on Aros 68k and lots of software runs on it without changes. How do you explain that?
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To this end, it basically follows the rules many etats-unidans place on politics: if you do not vote, you cannot criticize. Applying it to MorphOS, you get: "If you aren't using it, you cannot complain.
So you want the forums to draw inspirations from idiotic political principles?
Why not just take it to its logical conclusion?
The only people allowed to criticize or compare OS's must own MOS, AOS4, an expanded classic Amiga, and an AROS box. Nobody else may contribute.
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Hi,
@dreamcast270mhz,
Let the truth be known!!!
[MorphOS has transcended the classic Amiga, while retaining WarpOS compatibility and adapting to more recent hardware. All Amiga forever acts is as a "Franken Amiga" reanimating the original OS on modern PCs. It therefore is a glorified DOSBOX for the Amiga platform. Also, ever since MorphOS, when i do use it, allows for moutning of floppies and images i can move beyond the contrains of floppies, which I have always hated. When I make some programs for MOS and Amiga, I plan on releasing them via digital distribution. ]
Let us examine the preceding paragraph as stated by dreamcast270mhz
MorphOS has transcended the classic Amiga, while retaining WarpOS compatibility and adapting to more recent hardware.
Do we really mean to say that MorphOS has emulated the Classic Amiga while retaining WarpOS compatibility and adapting to older abandoned hardware by the Mac community that only some Mac fanboys are using today because of their classic nature (you know sort of like the Amiga).
All Amiga forever acts is as a "Franken Amiga" reanimating the original OS on modern PCs. It therefore is a glorified DOSBOX
We can also say "All MorphOS acts is as a "Franken Amiga" reanimating the original OS on MACS. It therefore is a glorified MACbox.
Your last paragraph moves you to the ignorance bin, Amiga Forever has moved from the constraint of floppy's to hard drives, CD's, DVD's, double layer DVD's, USB thumb drives, etc. and uses a new digital compressed storage routine. Where have you been? living in the past Mac world. I have news for you MAC's don't use PPC processor's anymore, they have moved up to a newer dual core INTEL processor. Did you know that?
Now moving original Amiga programs over is rather hard, VIP is really only floppy based, you can't get around it because back when the program was made, floppies was the only cheap medium they had. This accounts for all earlier programs made for the Amiga.
Now actually it is you Mac fans coming to an Amiga website talking about how great your MAC emulator is.
As far as costs "How much are they charging for an incomplete MorpOS package?
You know that MorphOS package that is still being developed?
Amiga Forever only charges me $29 since I bought the original for $49. I gladly pay the price of the new AF's only to show my support and have PC's available because unlike owning a MAC I can get PC's rather cheap, and they have outstanding hardware compared to your "mini mac standards of "more recent hardware" that was abandoned by Apple about 5-8 years ago.
Talk about Chaos, great game but "you lose"
Been with Amiga 2 weeks after it first arrived, great machine for the time, my hobby now is hot rodding Amiga's and seeing how far I can take them.
I guess you can say that about your MAC's. How much power can you get out of a MAC using modern day PPC's. LOL!
smerf
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Hi,
@kedawa,
OK, I will admit it, I have all the emulators out there and use them, I have the original MorphOS, that I have used on my PPC 240 MHz blizzard Amiga 1200, it loaded up, but couldn't do anything with it. It was a really early version, I thought it was doing pretty good while they wrote for Amiga PPC cards, MorphOS continued development but commited the greatest crime to a real Amiga user, they went to the dark side, where I remember a certain individual named Steve saying "Amiga -- oh you mean that weak underpowered game computer by Commodore" come on we are talking about real computers here, and then another person named Bill saying "Yes computers that can operate a business"
Anyhow before I get to off track, I have used every OS that has come out for the Amiga, and I am even thinking of breaking my vow of never to use a MAC just to see how great the new MorphOS really is.
But then do I need to waste $250 dollars on old obsolete equipment that is not worth upgrading, or should I waste another amount of money paying for an OS that really isn't going anywhere?
$250 today can buy me a real good video card for a PC, or an upgrade for my AMD processor based PC, or maybe even a mediator card for my Amiga 1200 PPC based machine.
Can't see wasting money just to try out MorphOS, can you?
Chaos has many meanings. Intelligent discussions is how you perceive it.
Loonies are everywhere
smerf
Just been to the MorphOS site, no where on their site does it say that they are trying to make a new Amiga OS. The only thing they mention is Commodore. Interesting.
Anyhow not to spoil all the fun, I would like to thank all the developers of AROS, MorphOS, OS 4.1 etc. for their efforts, sometimes even I forget that these people are programming a new OS, they need our help, if they would put donation jingles on their site, maybe it would ease the pain a little. (Now you all know how CUSA feels).. We need to get together and support someone or something, we need to concentrate our efforts, for once we need to come together and support something, we need a track, but first we need to suggest which path to take, agree to it, get everyone together and follow that path. (God, I can't believe I am saying this, I may have to break down and buy a MAC depending on the vote).
Anyhow thanks to all you programmers out there. Keep trucking and not *ucking. I will shut my mouth after this, post on all OS's because the programmers and community need it.
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I was under the impression that OS4 was the only one of the three that actually used the OS 3 sources, though...? So it seems fair enough to have it as a continuation of the OS 3 line, while the others fork off (I wonder if the "Amiga.org censorship bot" will censor that).
The fact that OS 4 runs on different hardware is irrelevant, it does share its roots with OS3, and is the only one which does.
Clearly AROS and MOS have reverse engineered whatever OS4 team used from OS3.x
It comes down to which host machine you're prepared to buy, if Macs don't make you puke you can run MOS however Mac is worse than Atari computers and of no interest to me from 1984--> as XP is better than OSX too thanks. Apple computers are for clueless nobs FACT.
I'm not buying an X1000 or £1000 SAM so really, like many other people worldwide, only AROS is of any interest :)
£300 for a $hit half decade old powerbook 1.67ghz? lol no *pass*
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Clearly AROS and MOS have reverse engineered whatever OS4 team used from OS3.x
It comes down to which host machine you're prepared to buy, if Macs don't make you puke you can run MOS however Mac is worse than Atari computers and of no interest to me from 1984--> as XP is better than OSX too thanks. Apple computers are for clueless nobs FACT.
I'm not buying an X1000 or £1000 SAM so really, like many other people worldwide, only AROS is of any interest :)
£300 for a $hit half decade old powerbook 1.67ghz? lol no *pass*
To be fair there is s much bollocks in that post I just don't know where to start
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if Macs don't make you puke you can run MOS however Mac is worse than Atari computers Yada Yada Yada
Mac computers, just like any other computers, are made with various components soldered onto a PCB, that's what Mac's are, that's what every other computer on the planet is.
The minute you install MorphOS on a Mac, it stops being a Mac and turns into a MorphOS box. It's the OS that defines the HW. You aren't using Mac then, you are using MorphOS, the furthest evolved, most full-featured, most stable and best Amiga compatible Next Generation Amiga system in existence on this planet!
:)
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@Fats
Ah, thanks.
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I just wanted to stop for a while and reflect about what actually made it to the 3.0 release, and what didn't, based on early communications about MorphOS future from autumn 2011. This was the list presented at Alchimie 111111 (translation mainly by google translate):
GREEN = Things they planned for the 3.0 release
ORANGE = Things planned for later 3.x releases
MorphOS 3.x
Top new features planned for future versions 3.x:
- Support the PowerBook G4 (models 5.6 to 5.9).
- AGP transfers on platforms that support it (macs).
- WIFI drivers and integration with the TCP / IP: Atheros5000, Airport, ...
- Drivers SATA and SCSI (Symbios) functional on PowerMac G4.
- Faster 3D drivers, VBO, medium r300 (Radeon 9500 to 9800).
- Integration layer Firewire Helios.[/COLOR]
- Improved systems components: MUI, Ambient, Multiview, HDConfig, mount.library, ...
- New applications: FTP / SFTP, CD / DVD burning software, new PDF reader, modern text editor, ...
- File systems: NTFS3G (write), SMBFS (64bit), SSFS, IceFS, ...
[/COLOR]
Support for PowerBook
Many challenges are related to the support of the platform:
[LIST=10]
- Touchpad with gestures (scrolling, right, ...).
- Special keys of the keyboard (Fn, brightness keys, ...).
- Support for various screens (15 ", 17" and variations thereof ...)
- PCMCIA port
- WIFI drivers: Atheros5k (via Cardbus), Airport
- WPA/WPA2 (wpa_supplicant) in collaboration with AROS.
- Sensor monitoring: fan speed, battery level, temperature, ...
- 3D driver for R300 (Radeon 9700 for PowerBook).[/COLOR]
- Energy management control of different components depending on the sensors and user preferences (processor speed, low power mode the graphics card, disable the modem, network,[/COLOR] brightness, backlight keyboard, hard drive standby, ...) .
Drivers
Apart from specific drivers PowerBook, drivers on other machines will be supported or updated integrated:
[LIST=19]
- Symbios SATA drivers on PowerMac G4
- AGP transfers (4x,> 1GB / s), useful when vram swap, video playback, 3D, ...
- WIFI Atheros 5k driver (PCI)
- Faster 3D drivers, VBO, support for r300 (Radeon 9500 to 9800)
- Helios firewire drivers[/COLOR]
File Systems
An effort was made to the adaptation of standard file systems:
- A port of FUSE to make porting some open source filesystems easier.
- NTFS3g (writing enabled)
- SSHFS (SFTP transparent)[/COLOR]
- SMBFS (64bit)
System Components
[LIST=24]
- Ambient: a transparent panel, sub-docks and plugins, video thumbnails, ...
- MUI: deactivating effect improved, rendering the framework of the active object configurable tabs Reorderable, ...
- Multiview: integration of more new features and formats
- Integration WPA/WPA2 (wpa_supplicant), indicators, configuration, ...
- HDConfig / mount.library: better management of mac partition tables
- Cairo / Pixman / Fontconfig supplied with the system
- MagicBeacon: visual notifications on different types of events (new mail, download finished, dvd inserted, ...), highly configurable (contrib?)
- Grunch: package manager (contrib?)
Applications
The application domain has not been neglected:
- Jalapeno: CD / DVD burning software and to create ISO, controllable from Ambient, ...
- VPDF: A modern PDF reader compatible with multiple views, based on the Poppler engine.
- Transfer: FTP and SFTP client, multiple views.
- Scribble: Text/SourceCode editor, based on Scintilla. Project management, autocompletion, context-sensitive help, syntax highlighting for different languages, ...
- Odyssey Web Browser: with a recent Webkit, adding new features, ...
[/COLOR]
In hindsight, it's clear that not everything made it to the 3.0 release. On the other hand, some other things that wasn't planned or expected, did make it! :)
The energy management components made the Powerbook support much more solid, this was a pleasant surprise. The PFS3 file system was also a surprise, at least for me. I know it would eventually find its way into MorphOS, but didn't expect it in 3.0 already. MorphOS is getting quite a substantial collection of file systems now, and I'm looking forward to Ice-FS as well. Been wanting to try that one out for a long time, sounds very promising, but somehow I have never actually done it, don't know why. Also looking forward to SSHFS! :)
I've read somewhere that the next release, MorphOS 3.1, will mostly be fixing/correcting things they overlooked, but I also believe there could be some new stuff added as well, and that it will be released quite soon. The Atheros Wifi has been said (in various forums) to be quite far developed for instance. I'll guess we'll now in a relatively short period of time.
There has also been hints about upcoming support for iBooks (don't ask me why, because the Powerbooks are so much better, and aren't really that expensive after all), but if that happens, it won't be until MorphOS 3.2 at the earliest.
Rock on, MorphOS! :D
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Would you please put down your cheerleader's pom pom's, TMHG?
We get it, you're a fan. It's an OS. We don't need it crammed up our asses by you nonstop.
It's a general Amiga forums and all you do is spam your view of the divine future while **** talking the alternatives. Enough, it's worse than the C-USA threads.
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To be fair there is s much bollocks in that post I just don't know where to start
Not really, the point is I will never buy a computer for £1 per megahertz AND I will never buy a PPC Mac for 10x the cost of equivalent x86 laptop. End of story, no bollox. If MOS was on an x86 path I would look at it, but personally I would rather invest the hardware costs for such machines in other areas of my life, and that is why some people will never be running OS4 OR MOS, because they will never go out of their way to buy such hardware.
This is what 99.99% of the planet also feels like, the only bollocks is thinking the pretty much the entire world does not think like me.
If you don't like AROS you put Windows XP back on that £50 Dell D810 with 2.2ghz Centrino and carry on enjoying 1080p 32bit colour video and crunching your AVI to FLV encoding so Youtube does not rip your uploaded video quality to shreds with their encoding to flash for bandwidth preservation. WTF do I do with a Macbook or SAM 460 if I don't like OS4 or MOS, and that's before you consider non transferable licenses involved with OS4 (at least MOS has a free trial mode).
It's not like ANY of the three choices will replace a real Amiga, I still have 500+ original Amiga software and hardware products and therefore my only true need is for a machine that still can use real disks or to plug a genlock into etc. I am an Amigan, not a MOSian or OS4ian or AROSian.
YMMV
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Mac computers, just like any other computers, are made with various components soldered onto a PCB, that's what Mac's are, that's what every other computer on the planet is.
The minute you install MorphOS on a Mac, it stops being a Mac and turns into a MorphOS box. It's the OS that defines the HW. You aren't using Mac then, you are using MorphOS, the furthest evolved, most full-featured, most stable and best Amiga compatible Next Generation Amiga system in existence on this planet!
:)
I don't disagree with you, and my previous post makes no judgement on whether OS4>MOS>AROS to be honest.
I don't like Powerbook G4s at the price, I don't like Mac Minis etc etc. It's things like the price/performance of the hardware and the fact if I don't get on with MOS I have to junk that 1.67ghz rubbish computer.
In an ironic sort of way MOS vs AROS is like Windows 3.1 vs Workbench 3.1. Most people never even got the chance to try WB 3.1 because they only had x86 rubbish, but they could try Win 3.1 for free without buying different alien hardware that becomes a financial liability if they didn't like it.
This is exactly why Amiga Inc and Hyperion have no respect for me, Amithlon could of and would have been a game changer back when the name Amiga meant more than a distant logo/brand from a century past. It would have given people a chance to try something and could have resulted in the resurrection of the brand back in the day.
I don't use AROS or MOS or OS4, so it's not a negative comment about any of those OS products. I would have possibly tried MOS on a G5, at least that has enough grunt in native Ápple OS to be useful to me and hence worth a punt on overpriced Apple hardware needed to be invested in.
It's not like I love Windows, god no. If I was donated a Mac or obtained one via a financially beneficial trade I would actually try MOS to be honest :)
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@Duce
This is the second pointless OT post you make in this thread in a short time. If MorphOS hurt your eyes this badly, then I think for your own sake that you should leave, there are many other threads you can read. The topic here is MorphOS, especially MorphOS 3.0, get over it!
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@Digiman
Sure, not everyone is prepared to pay a hundred dollar (or a few) to obtain what's needed to try MophOS. But if you really are interested in Amiga NG OS's, the necessary MorphOS HW is totally within anyones reach (it's not that $3,000 A1X1K we are talking about after all). MorphOS never set out to be a commodity OS for the broad public of general users, but it is the one offering the most and the best to the small *Amiga community* (I'm very happy with my Mini 1.5GHz/64MB VRAM, got everything I need, maybe I'd like to be able to play true 1080p video without framedropping (720p works) but that's about it), and if you are really interested, then neither price nor availability won't be an issue for most people. But of course, if you think it's too much money, then pass and move on, your choice! :)
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Would you please put down your cheerleader's pom pom's, TMHG?
We get it, you're a fan. It's an OS. We don't need it crammed up our asses by you nonstop.
It's a general Amiga forums and all you do is spam your view of the divine future while **** talking the alternatives. Enough, it's worse than the C-USA threads.
To be honest while tmhgm sometimes has a habit to repeat obvious again and again that message he posted about MorphOS 3.0 was perfectly on topic.
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In an ironic sort of way MOS vs AROS is like Windows 3.1 vs Workbench 3.1. Most people never even got the chance to try WB 3.1 because they only had x86 rubbish, but they could try Win 3.1 for free without buying different alien hardware that becomes a financial liability if they didn't like it.
I agree that buying PowerPC dongle is way too much to some or many users but apparently it is not too big problem.
(Btw your WB3.1 vs Win3.1 theory is rubbish. Latter had much better software support and there was OS/2 sold as alternative option.)
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@smerf
You can get macs that will run MOS for far less than $250, and any mac you buy can be quickly resold to recoup your losses if MOS doesn't suit you.
If you just don't want that old junk taking up space in your place, then I guess you'll have to wait for a good PPC mac emulator for PC. Maybe someday Cloanto will make MorphOS Forever for you to buy.
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Would you please put down your cheerleader's pom pom's, TMHG?
We get it, you're a fan. It's an OS. We don't need it crammed up our asses by you nonstop.
It's a general Amiga forums and all you do is spam your view of the divine future while **** talking the alternatives. Enough, it's worse than the C-USA threads.
Seriously? People, it's a hobby for Christ's sake. Some people expend resources on obsolete cars, sports cards, bubble gum comics, or whatever they want. When was the last time you went to the model railroad club or antique car show and ranted about what a waste of time and money the hobby is? That's what you're doing here, and making yourself look just as much a fool.
Yes, this is an Amiga forum. It's been demonstrated plenty of times in forums and argued numerous times in IRC, listservs, and Usenet, that MorphOS and AROS are Amiga-like enough to be given berth and acceptance. If you have a problem with MorphOS threads then don't read them. If seeing a MorphOS thread makes you rage, then you need help which none of us here can provide.
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Here comes a nice youtube video from danwood, showing a bit of MorphOS 3.0:
[youtube]LQxJgw0GhJo[/youtube]
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQxJgw0GhJo)
:)
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Hi,
@kedawa,
Well I swallowed my pride and asked the wife if I could buy a mini-mac that I had found on ebay for $130, her answer was you know you don't need it, and besides that the cabinet I need for putting clothes in cost $129, and then how about the bathroom remodel that you started on, aren't you going to need money for that. You know you have about 10 computers in your computer room, do you really need another one. No I don't I only have 6 in the computer room, oh well why fight with what is right.
Another loss for buying my first Apple product.
Just really wanted to see what this MorphOS thing is all about, OK, I am addicted to OS systems, I have CPM, IBM 1.0, 1.2 etc., Amigados, 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 3.1, 3.5, 3.9 and OS4.1, I have windows 1.0, 3.0, 3.1, 95, 98, XP, Vista, 7 and now am playing with Windows 8 (I love it). I have AROS, Ubuntu 6.0 through 11.10, Red Hat, Fedora, Suse, and also Windows 2000, Windows NT, and a couple of others that I haven't had a chance to play with yet.
It is driving me crazy to see this MorphOS so that I can give an accurate critique of it. The first obstacle was it is on a MAC (gosh I hate MACs). Why in gods name a MAC, are your trying to torture me. OK, rant over, I have a C128, C64, TRS80, Cocoa, Atari (junk), Texas Instruments, and may as well throw in the CD32. The only computer I have ever refused to buy was an Apple product. I hated that ash hole Steve Jobs that much. If anyone of you ever wanted to see a worse ash hole than Bill Gates it had to be Steve Jobs. It was his way or the highway, if you didn't do it exactly like he wanted it done, pack your bags, if he was wrong it was still pack your bags. OK 2nd rant over.
Now you ask me to buy a computer that comes from someone that I hate more than the worst enemy I have in the world. Just knowing that he had something to do with it, completely makes me want to scream.
Never will get to examine MorphOS, looks good on youtube, but that will be the closest I get.
It isn't MorphOS that I hate, it is the hardware (that's cheapest) that I just can't stand.
Will be waiting for a good MAC PPC emulator, to try out.
smerf
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Hi,
Anyone know if MorphOS will play the Classic Amiga Games, if so anyone have a list of games it will play.
smerf
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I'm not sure about this myself, but if you run winuae on a 1.5ghz pc...
It will not run many very demanding games (like super stardust aga) without stuttering sound and dropping frames. Even a 2ghz pc will not run some games smoothly...
This is why I'm a bit hesitant to buy a 1.5ghz g4 mac for morphos.
My 3ghz aros box runs any classic amiga game or software just fine.
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Danwood is a legend. He makes the best tech videos around :)
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Danwood is a legend. He makes the best tech videos around :)
Agree, nice videos... :)
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Hi,
Anyone know if MorphOS will play the Classic Amiga Games, if so anyone have a list of games it will play.
smerf
Only those not hitting directly the hardware run. That is mostly RTG and PPC games from late 90s or some simpler PD games from early times.
If you want your Kick Off 2 fix I think it is better use WinUAE.
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If I was donated a Mac or obtained one via a financially beneficial trade I would actually try MOS to be honest :)
This is pretty much the route I ran.
The "Ultimate C128" was up for auction or trade for a MacMini. I knew a friend of mine recently retired his PPC MacMini and still had it laying around so I asked if I could have it. Around about that time I found that MorphOS ran on the PPC MacMini. I would up giving the C128 a miss and installing MorphOS, instead. I haven't had a lot of time to dedicate to systems outside of the scope of my work, so it's kind-of languished since 2.7.
Now that 3.0 is released, the reduced pricing for MacMini, more support coming around the corner, and a little more free time on my hands, I will register MorphOS this summer and have a powerful Amiga-like system next to my 4000D.
I, for one, would not have wanted to drop more than about $250 total on a registered MacMini MorphOS system. I figured that I might break even on that system if I decided I didn't like MorphOS and to sell it. That's not a whole lot to spend for a hobby system, IMHO, but it is substantial for passing curiosity.
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I'm not sure about this myself, but if you run winuae on a 1.5ghz pc...
It will not run many very demanding games (like super stardust aga) without stuttering sound and dropping frames. Even a 2ghz pc will not run some games smoothly...
This is why I'm a bit hesitant to buy a 1.5ghz g4 mac for morphos.
My 3ghz aros box runs any classic amiga game or software just fine.
@ Smerf,
I hate to admit this, but Steven's post is dead on.
If you want to run Amiga games, a real Amiga, WinUAE, or AROS would be a better choice.
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Will be waiting for a good MAC PPC emulator, to try out.
smerf
Did you try PearPC? runs OSX on my Vista PC.
Question to myself: I wonder if I could install MorphOS on PearPC emulator?
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PearPC for OSX? I think no one uses that anymore.
You can install Tiger/Leopard/Snow Leopard/Lion and Mountain Lion natively on most x86 Hardware.
Just Google osx86
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@ Smerf,
I hate to admit this, but Steven's post is dead on.
If you want to run Amiga games, a real Amiga, WinUAE, or AROS would be a better choice.
Well, most games work just fine, though. Even super stardust is almost fine on my peg2, so it's not problem on a mac mini. Demanding games like AB3D, breathless & co will be slow, of course. They also required powerful amigas back then. ;)
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PearPC for OSX? I think no one uses that anymore.
You can install Tiger/Leopard/Snow Leopard/Lion and Mountain Lion natively on most x86 Hardware.
Just Google osx86
PearPC as a PPC emulator, maybe MorphOS works on it.
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If you want to run Amiga games ... AROS would be a better choice.
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Second to a real Amiga, Windows is the best choice as it's most supported... but AROS would definitely be next as it runs on hardware several times faster than any PPC box, whether it be AOS or MOS, and the x86 version uses JIT.
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Indeed, WinUAE rules, however 1GHz+ PPC is fast enough to run most games in UAE. Anyway I wouldnt recommend MorphOS if main intention is to run UAE.
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PearPC as a PPC emulator, maybe MorphOS works on it.
Does it emulate specific Mac models?
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Does it emulate specific Mac models?
I'm not sure, but you can "choose" to run as a 1GHz G3 or 700MHz G4.
I just tried the Morphos 3.0 boot cd and it doesn't boot.
The PearPC emulator is not user friendly, you need to edit the config file by hand.
Anyway..., I will try the MorphOS on my real Mac Mini when I get a chance.
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Second to a real Amiga, Windows is the best choice as it's most supported... but AROS would definitely be next as it runs on hardware several times faster than any PPC box, whether it be AOS or MOS, and the x86 version uses JIT.
If your goal simply is to play old Amiga games, then indeed a real Amiga or WinUAE would be the recommended way to go, but if your user ambitions is more towards "Next Generation" Amiga, then there simply is no alternative to MorphOS if you want the most and the best (AROS doesn't really fit the picture, AROS has some fundamental differences to both MorphOS and OS4, and is in many ways severely underdeveloped in comparison)...
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Well, most games work just fine, though. Even super stardust is almost fine on my peg2, so it's not problem on a mac mini. Demanding games like AB3D, breathless & co will be slow, of course. They also required powerful amigas back then. ;)
AND, when I play games under MorphOS I tend to play native games or OpenGL ports.