Install 3.2 on A3000 crashes

[hth313]

I recently got Amiga OS 3.2 and the 3.2.2 update. I created floppies and a superkicksstart floppy as well for my A3000.
Kickstart 47.111 (3.2.2) loads from floppy and shows its screen. I insert the Install floppy, it starts to tick and eventually goes to Guru (well system error).
The machine is an A3000 with 8 or 12 MB RAM, SD2SCSI drive. It can boot 3.1. Is this a good place to ask, or should I go elsewhere?

[Thomas]

What does "8 or 12" mean? How do you switch?

Which CPU does the machine have?

What error does the Guru show? The 8-digit code before the dot indicates the reason.

How did you create the SuperKickstart disk for 47.111?

Does it work differently if you load Kickstart 3.1 and then boot from the Modules disk? Or from the Install disk?

How is your harddrive partitioned (harddrive size, partition sizes)? Which file system (Version and flavour)?

[Boing-ball]

What does "8 or 12" mean? How do you switch?

Which CPU does the machine have?

What error does the Guru show? The 8-digit code before the dot indicates the reason.

How did you create the SuperKickstart disk for 47.111?

Does it work differently if you load Kickstart 3.1 and then boot from the Modules disk? Or from the Install disk?

How is your harddrive partitioned (harddrive size, partition sizes)? Which file system (Version and flavour)?

As Thomas has asked + Which Kickstart ROM version are physically installed?

Yes you have come to the right place 👍🏻

[hth313]

(I forgot the memory size, checked now, it is 12MB)

It is a normal Amiga 3000 25MHz, 68030/68882, 12MB fast, 2Mb chip memory and Kickstart 1.4 ROM.
The machine has A2065 ethernet, Retina Z3 and ASDG dual serial port boards installed.

I used my own tool to create the SuperKickstart, putting the bonus code in. In the past I have created multiple 3.1 kickstart floppies this way with no issues. The 3.2 kickstart went to yellow screen, but there seemed to be a problem with that release, then I made a 47.111 kickstart from the 3.2.2 update. I use the MakeSuperDisk tool from AmiNet to create the floppy with both 3.2.2 and 1.3 Kickstarts on it.

Cold boot on the Kickstart gives boing ball boot screen, insert Update 3.2 floppy results in Guru 8700 0000 0741DAD0 after a while.

Loading 3.1 kickstart and booting from Install floppy works. It does not seem to want to boot from the A3000 modules floppy.


The HD is a SCSISD
File systems on SCSI:
  Custom file system 19.0  (PFS? see below)
  FFS 40.1
Partitions:
  WB_2.x FFS  67 MB  (System3.1)
  WB_1.3 FFS  55 MB  (hidden after boot)
  AROS partition 1.7GB PDS\03 Block size 1024 (AROS:)
  DH8 partition 1.7GB PDS\03 Block size 1024  (App:)
  DH9 partition 1.7GB PDS\03 Block size 1024  (Work:)
(the rest of the HD is unpartitioned)

[Thomas]

When the superkickstart loads, before the floppy prompt appears, hold down both mouse buttons to enter the early startup menu. In the menu go to Boot options, set the check mark for Trace Startup-Sequence, then click Ok until you are back at the main page and click Boot. Now you have to confirm each command of the startup-sequence. Which one crashes?

[hth313]

That did not help so much initially, it only showed black screen, reading from floppy and GURU, before it steps the startup-sequence trying a lot of different settings.

After playing with the low level options I found that if I disable the AROS partition (which is not bootable), then it boots properly.
It works having the other PDS partitions (WORK: and APP:) enabled.
Not sure why it looks at the AROS partition and why that would cause it to crash.

I do not really need the AROS partition anymore, so I could clear it. I will keep it for a little while in case someone wants me to experiment with it in some way. Well, I should also take a look at it that I do not have something of value there before I wipe it.

[Thomas]

Please run this program and attach the report here: http://thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de/downloads/hddreport.lha

[hth313]

I have attached the hddreport.

[Thomas]

Would be better to see the report with SuperKick 3.2 active. But that's ok, too. I see nothing unusal in the report.

But I have a suspicion: Kick 3.2 requires workbench.library on disk. It searches all disks for a usable workbench.library. Probably it tries the AROS partition before it looks at the floppy disk. So it tries to load workbench.library from AROS, but this is not compatible to Kick 3.2 and crashes.

If you disable the AROS partition you can boot 3.2 normally (you can disable it permanently by unchecking automount in HDToolbox). The problem probably disappears once you install 3.2 on the WB_2.x partition because then it finds workbench.library there before it looks at the AROS partition.

[hth313]

I am not able to boot with SuperKick 3.2 unless I disable the AROS partition, and then you would get no information about it. I can make such hddreport too.

Your suspicion sounds reasonable. It does blink the HD light during floppy load a little bit more than I would expect.
Did workbench.library use to be in the kickstart or has the way it searches for it changed?

Anyway, I will do as suggested, disable the AROS partition for now and wipe it at some future point.

Thank you for the help!

[Boing-ball]

I am not able to boot with SuperKick 3.2 unless I disable the AROS partition, and then you would get no information about it. I can make such hddreport too.

Your suspicion sounds reasonable. It does blink the HD light during floppy load a little bit more than I would expect.
Did workbench.library use to be in the kickstart or has the way it searches for it changed?

Anyway, I will do as suggested, disable the AROS partition for now and wipe it at some future point.

Thank you for the help!

It all Changed when Hyperion released AmigaOS 3.1.4. No room on the basic 512K ROMs to fit Workbench.library and Icon.Library. Instead they have to be the LIBS: folder. Unless you make a Custom 1MB ROM set that can house both the Libraries. If you have 3.0 or 3.1 then these were found in the ROMs. OS3.9 had similar feature, but the ROM was changed during bootup when booting from 3.1 physical ROMs or higher…

[kolla]

On A4000T, kickstart 3.1 also does not include workbench.library and icon.library, so that concept goes back to CBM.

[Boing-ball]

Good to know 👍🏻 But OP has a A3000 and using 3.2 😉

[hth313]

I installed 3.2 but 47.111 kickstart sees all my HD partition as not bootable.
If I boot from the Install floppy, start HDToolBox the partition is marked as bootable. Is this related to that I have a FFS installed on the HD and it is too old, or something else?

[Boing-ball]

I installed 3.2 but 47.111 kickstart sees all my HD partition as not bootable.
If I boot from the Install floppy, start HDToolBox the partition is marked as bootable. Is this related to that I have a FFS installed on the HD and it is too old, or something else?

Version 3.2 and above still uses FastFilesystem but at a higher version with a lot of fixes. You may find that you will need to use HDToolBox to update the version of FFS to the 3.2 version. I would be cautious that you have a backup first before playing just in-case. But updating shouldn’t cause fault, unless you have some weird boot code or something…