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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #59 from previous page: May 29, 2011, 08:44:13 PM »
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The issue I'm having now is that I boot up into 7.6.1, and as per shapeshifter instructions, I set the hard drive partiton I want to use in the prefs. OS comes up, says it needs to be initialized. I say OK, give it a name, it churns for 30 minutes, then says Disk Initialization failed. I'm not sure what is messing up.

annoying, but sounds familiar. I had loads of issues configuring a partition for mac emulation. in the end I had to split it in 2. That worked, somehow. Also make sure its below the first 4GB of your drive! You need to boot from the Jeans hardfile. After macos has loaded, it will ask you to initialise the new partition. this should now work. then copy the files over from the hardfile to your partition. hardfiles are in general the better option. but a dedicated partition is ofcourse way cooler.. :) good luck.
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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2011, 08:45:18 PM »
I actually figured it out - you aren't supposed to use the mac side initializer I believe.  I just rebooted the mac and the HD showed up.

System 7 is happily installing away.  I set aside a partition for it so I may as well go for a dedicated partition.  I'm rather impressed so far as to how fast it is and this is just off the CDROM.  Now I have a huge stack of mac disks to go through and see if they are any good.
 

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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #61 on: May 29, 2011, 10:07:04 PM »
let me know your greatest finds, please. compatibility and availability were dissapointing for me. a lot of games you find online need a ppc processor. I only found 3 playable demos and a few old simulators so far. they do run great though, the emulation is pretty good. I do use Fusion instead of Shapeshifter, but there are hardly any speed differences. have fun.
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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #62 on: May 29, 2011, 11:19:17 PM »
Quote from: Cammy;621438
Here's a photo of my A1200 running Photoshop. It's perfectly usable too.
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=3456


which version of photoshop is ?
where I Can download it?
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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #63 on: May 29, 2011, 11:34:22 PM »
Well, so far its fine.  It crashes my system unless I use Extensions disabled, so I need to spend some time tracking down that culprit.  So far it has done what I wanted - I can install my complete NAt Geo that I bought ages ago and only works on Win95 era machines.  As for games, I haven't attempted that yet.  The era of "good mac gaming" was the starcraft, warcraft, Myth, Civ era, which I believe was the PowerPC era.  I'd need a lot more ram for that too.  Looks like Zorram and a Picasso 4 are the next ones to get.  It really sucks having to use an interlaced setting for shapeshifter.  I feel like I'm having a seizure.
 

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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #64 on: May 30, 2011, 09:24:20 PM »
Well, some of the crashing was due I'm sure to the fact that I had memory set very low :lol:

It's been very fun to run System 7.6.1.  It actually reminds me of a fond time between the end of my amiga days and the final caving into Wintendo when mac games just weren't being released.  Makes me wish I still had my PowerComputing Powerbase.  The thing definitely needs more memory, tho...  So it's either a zoram or I get lucky and snag an accelerator with memory on it.

I fired up the old NatGeo complete today and got a treat - an advert for Kodak from the late 90's (pushing their "photo CD" technology).
 

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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #65 on: May 30, 2011, 10:00:06 PM »
fun :) natgeo has some great cd's, dvd's and blu-ray's these days..

what system are you running shapeshifter on? a graphics card makes an amazing difference. I refuse to use my Amiga without one. go buy one NOW. seriously.

http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=15931

you wont regret.
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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #66 on: May 30, 2011, 10:21:17 PM »
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fun :) natgeo has some great cd's, dvd's and blu-ray's these days..

what system are you running shapeshifter on? a graphics card makes an amazing difference. I refuse to use my Amiga without one. go buy one NOW. seriously.

http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=15931

you wont regret.

It's already sold and 300 euros is way out of my league.  I paid about that much for my 4000 alone.

I would love to have a picasso 4 or an indivision 4000, but with one rather pricey and one non-existent its going to be a while.
 

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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #67 on: May 31, 2011, 01:44:43 AM »
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The Muv-thing driver that Cammy is talking about is pretty good.
I use it on my 1200 shapeshifter setup (AGA and B1260) and i get 0.750 of the video speed of a real Quadra 605 Mac according to Speedometer 4.02 in 640*480 8 bits.
Not sure faster result could be achieved with AGA.

Where is this driver available for download?  I have an A1200 with IndivisionAGA & B1260 w/256mb Fast RAM that I would like to set Shapeshifter up on this week.  Does this "Muv-thing driver" work with the IndivisionAGA?  Can you access a wireless NIC in the PCMCIA slot from the Mac emulation?  If yes, what would be the best browser to use from the Mac emulation while running MacOS7.6?  And finally, on such a setup as mine, would it be better to try to get MacOS8, 8.5, or 9 running on Shapeshifter?  I have heard about other people running MacOS8 and maybe MacOS9 on Shapeshifter, but can't remember where I read it.
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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #68 on: May 31, 2011, 06:01:25 AM »
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Where is this driver available for download?  I have an A1200 with IndivisionAGA & B1260 w/256mb Fast RAM that I would like to set Shapeshifter up on this week.  Does this "Muv-thing driver" work with the IndivisionAGA?  Can you access a wireless NIC in the PCMCIA slot from the Mac emulation?  If yes, what would be the best browser to use from the Mac emulation while running MacOS7.6?  And finally, on such a setup as mine, would it be better to try to get MacOS8, 8.5, or 9 running on Shapeshifter?  I have heard about other people running MacOS8 and maybe MacOS9 on Shapeshifter, but can't remember where I read it.

I have been reading a lot at lowendmac.com.  OS 7.6.1 evidently is the "sweet spot" in the mac world for speed/performance.  I couldn't answer the if's with any certainty, not having any of that gear, but the link for the "mu thingy" I posed farther up in the thread.  It's the whole MMUlib, but it comes with an install script that lets you customize your install to just what you want, or you can install them all separately.
 

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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #69 on: May 31, 2011, 08:09:05 AM »
amigagdave

you dont need the MU tool as its for people who DONT have an MMU (and you must with the 060) iirc
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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #70 on: May 31, 2011, 08:36:44 AM »
Erm, '060's came MMU-less, but the MuEVD driver (and the rest of the software) requires an MMU.
 

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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #71 on: May 31, 2011, 10:19:23 AM »
060 cpu do have a mmu on amiga or they can't work with amiga os.

MmuEvd uses the mmu of course.
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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #72 on: May 31, 2011, 10:26:09 AM »
68EC060 doesn't have FPU either MMU.
 

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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #73 on: May 31, 2011, 11:58:25 AM »
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68EC060 doesn't have FPU either MMU.


These one do exist in the wild but not in the amiga world.
I believe Atari users can use those EC060.

68LC060 (without FPU) can however be used on amiga but need special libs. The original Apollo060@75 use a LC060.
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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #74 on: May 31, 2011, 12:09:07 PM »
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060 cpu do have a mmu on amiga or they can't work with amiga os.

MmuEvd uses the mmu of course.


Huh? the 000/010/020 doesn't have a MMU and not all 030s either AFAIK. MacOS requires a MMU but not AmigaOS.