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Offline mechy

Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2023, 05:42:48 PM »
not a good idea unless u want to kill some cia's.. those are intended for connecting terminals over serial i believe.
 

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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2023, 05:46:59 PM »
I would try and stay away from plipbox. Have read elsewhere they can be problematic. Plus you need to power it externally as well, so more cables flapping around at the back to contend with.
I have many plip box,they are slow, 32K/s on the good side if memory serves. I have never had any trouble with them,but i would go for the pcmcia adapter and a wired or wireless card..

vampire accelerator has ethernet but not a cheap solution.
 

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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2023, 03:48:55 PM »
I have many plip box,they are slow, 32K/s on the good side if memory serves. I have never had any trouble with them,but i would go for the pcmcia adapter and a wired or wireless card..

vampire accelerator has ethernet but not a cheap solution.

I wouldn’t go wireless PCMCIA. More trouble than it’s worth, especially with the newer routers these days and added security requirements for wireless connection, which these aging adapters don’t have. Wired would be preferable.
Fingers crossed there will be a proper EMU68 wired network solution for the PiStorm and Pi which is much much cheaper than Vampire.
 

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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2023, 05:04:51 PM »
I wouldn’t go wireless PCMCIA. More trouble than it’s worth, especially with the newer routers these days and added security requirements for wireless connection, which these aging adapters don’t have. Wired would be preferable.

They do, you can do firmware update to use WPA which works fine, if you have a fast enough processor.
Emu68 Wifi would be nice.
I tried Mushashi, standard hardware works, but picasso will not work no matter what I do. On Pi500, it all works fine. So must be a PS32-Lite thing.
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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2023, 08:00:08 PM »
They do, you can do firmware update to use WPA which works fine, if you have a fast enough processor.
Emu68 Wifi would be nice.
I tried Mushashi, standard hardware works, but picasso will not work no matter what I do. On Pi500, it all works fine. So must be a PS32-Lite thing.

That’s all well and good with WPA. But a lot of newer routers these days will give you a hard time with connecting. Plenty of documented incidents of these. This is due to higher security standards being put in place.
 

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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2023, 09:30:52 AM »
Just buy a decent router. I took the plunge and never looked back.
My Nighthawk gaming router, allows merging of both signals, so no seperate SSID's and it auto detects and connects to correct wifi.
Wii and PSP was worst for router connection, I used to have to mess around to get them to connect. Now they just instantly connects with no issues (even though its pointless now). Yes, I still use my PSP's.

Sorry OP, dragging this off topic.

That’s all well and good with WPA. But a lot of newer routers these days will give you a hard time with connecting. Plenty of documented incidents of these. This is due to higher security standards being put in place.
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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2023, 01:52:33 PM »
Just buy a decent router. I took the plunge and never looked back.
My Nighthawk gaming router, allows merging of both signals, so no seperate SSID's and it auto detects and connects to correct wifi.
Wii and PSP was worst for router connection, I used to have to mess around to get them to connect. Now they just instantly connects with no issues (even though its pointless now). Yes, I still use my PSP's.

Sorry OP, dragging this off topic.

Which Nighthawk model are you using?

I don’t think you are dragging this off topic. As if the OP does want to go wireless then this is useful information to know 👍🏻
 

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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2023, 03:11:49 PM »
Which Nighthawk model are you using?

I don’t think you are dragging this off topic. As if the OP does want to go wireless then this is useful information to know 👍🏻

R7800 running as router only, wifi delt with by Tenda Wifi 6 mesh x6. Can get internet from my house all the way to the end of street, :)
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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2023, 03:19:22 PM »
And this available all the way down to the of your street wifi is protected by old WPA?

So it’s a public serive? :)
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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2023, 04:42:22 PM »
And this available all the way down to the of your street wifi is protected by old WPA?

So it’s a public serive? :)

Obviously, you overlooked the obvious. It auto selects what the device can handle. Besides, I would look really stupid, carrying an Amiga down my street with a battery and monitor in my hands, ;). The square footage I have created is insane with my mesh. I have dumped powerline, as I was never getting 1Gbit. Now I do with my pc plugged into the mesh instead (yes each mesh box has network ports to act like Powerline).
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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2023, 01:54:57 AM »
The question isn’t whether you _are_ dragging your WPA devices down the street, but rather whether you _could_. Unless you’ve specific measures to control signal amplitude from the “client” device, they will mirror that of the access point, to ensure other devices on that frequency can see them “shouting”. Other devices, such as my friendly wireless neighborhood security device down the street somewhere :)
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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2023, 09:27:51 AM »
The question isn’t whether you _are_ dragging your WPA devices down the street, but rather whether you _could_. Unless you’ve specific measures to control signal amplitude from the “client” device, they will mirror that of the access point, to ensure other devices on that frequency can see them “shouting”. Other devices, such as my friendly wireless neighborhood security device down the street somewhere :)

Who cares. WPA alot more secure than WEP. Your sure your not confusing the two. WPA uses 256bit encryption, so I wouldn't care.
Anyway, I don't use WEP or WPA1 on any device these days.
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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2023, 10:04:29 AM »
Hi

Will, got the A314cp fitted and set up, but not sure the next steps to get online. more research required!

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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2023, 01:14:04 AM »
Who cares. WPA alot more secure than WEP. Your sure your not confusing the two. WPA uses 256bit encryption, so I wouldn't care.
Anyway, I don't use WEP or WPA1 on any device these days.

Then your posting about having wifi down the street wasn’t really relevant, was it?

WEP was broken by design, it was cracked even before it became "standard" and keysize (64bit or 128bit) didn’t really matter. WAP ("WAP1") uses 128bit keys, but new set of keys per package (Temporal Key Integrity Protocol, TKIP) unless you go "enterprise" with 802.1X authentication, which then also gives you AES and CCMP. Anyways, WPA was meant as a stopgap while "proper" WPA, aka WPA2/ieee 802.11i, was being implemented which made AES mandatory. The idea was that any hardware capable of WEP should also be capable of WPA, while WPA2 would most often require new hardware. Regardless of wpa or wpa2, with pre-shared key (PSK) anyone who snaps up that key somehow, can read all traffic on that wlan, as the PSK pretty much is the master key used to generate the other keys used with all attached sessions, while with 802.1X, each device gets its own master key for that session. The problem for Amiga now is that we are entering into WPA2/WPA3-only wifi access points, and 802.11b support also vanish. So the only "legacy safe" way forward is to have a dedicated VLAN with a dedicated legacy access point supporting old wep/wpa and 2.4GHz 802.11b, keep signal strength low, firewall it from the rest of the networls and monitor it closely.

Come again next week for crash course in IPv6, DNs64/NAT64, 464XLAT, DS-Lite (not the Nintendo) and why it all matters.
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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2023, 09:13:48 AM »
Then your posting about having wifi down the street wasn’t really relevant, was it?

WEP was broken by design, it was cracked even before it became "standard" and keysize (64bit or 128bit) didn’t really matter. WAP ("WAP1") uses 128bit keys, but new set of keys per package (Temporal Key Integrity Protocol, TKIP) unless you go "enterprise" with 802.1X authentication, which then also gives you AES and CCMP. Anyways, WPA was meant as a stopgap while "proper" WPA, aka WPA2/ieee 802.11i, was being implemented which made AES mandatory. The idea was that any hardware capable of WEP should also be capable of WPA, while WPA2 would most often require new hardware. Regardless of wpa or wpa2, with pre-shared key (PSK) anyone who snaps up that key somehow, can read all traffic on that wlan, as the PSK pretty much is the master key used to generate the other keys used with all attached sessions, while with 802.1X, each device gets its own master key for that session. The problem for Amiga now is that we are entering into WPA2/WPA3-only wifi access points, and 802.11b support also vanish. So the only "legacy safe" way forward is to have a dedicated VLAN with a dedicated legacy access point supporting old wep/wpa and 2.4GHz 802.11b, keep signal strength low, firewall it from the rest of the networls and monitor it closely.

Come again next week for crash course in IPv6, DNs64/NAT64, 464XLAT, DS-Lite (not the Nintendo) and why it all matters.

For the record, you brought up wep. I never use internet on the Amiga, whats the point.
Thanks for the lovely rambling, :).
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Re: A1200 - Alternative to PCMCIA for internet
« Reply #29 from previous page: November 30, 2023, 03:06:43 PM »
Meh. I use an old MN-520 PCMCIA card, and I picked up a Linksys WRT54G on ebay for $5.  Yeah I use WEP with a 128 bit key.  I turned on mac filtering and turned off broadcasting so only my Amiga can connect and I only turn on the router when I use my Amiga... about an hour or two once or twice a week.

Sure someone could wait around fo the hour that my router is on, sniff out a network that isn't broadcasting, spoof my mac, and hack my wifi, but the likelihood of that happening is pretty small unless they live next door, pointing a yagi at me, and waiting for me to power it up a network they don't know exists.  I live in a rural area so that is very unlikely.

It was cheaper than buying a new card for $100 that supports AES, and finding another  B/G router that is compatible with the updated yet outdated card.

One could also bump key your front door and walk right into your house and take anything they want. It's even easier than hacking wifi.

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