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Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« on: May 15, 2011, 10:12:36 PM »
Is there any Zorro-II/-III cards that you have that you wouldn't live without?, ie very useful, must have etc? ;) that isn't bread-n-butter solutions like SCSI-controller with disk,  IDE-controller with disk, RAM-expansion etc.

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Re: Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 10:22:11 PM »
Maybe ZorRAM or Deneb USB

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I would imagine graphics cards such as the Picasso IV would rate highly with users.  I remember when I went from AGA to Picasso and it was a radical difference.
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Re: Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 10:28:25 PM »
I could live without Deneb, but wouldn't necessarily want to  :)
 

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Re: Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2011, 10:35:18 PM »
An A500 cpu slot to Zorro card adapter.
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Re: Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2011, 11:32:17 PM »
@trekiej

Indeed, that a500 adapter is one of the many things i am looking for my 500.
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Re: Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2011, 12:19:22 AM »
But the A500 already have an Zorro-II slot on the left side of the computer?
 

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Re: Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2011, 12:22:47 AM »
Quote from: freqmax;638033
But the A500 already have an Zorro-II slot on the left side of the computer?

LOL!  No... it has an 86-pin male connector that needs to be re-wired to be a 100-pin Zorro female connection. I hear Colorado Springs is a popular place for those kinds of surgeries   ;)
 

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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2011, 01:11:31 AM »
If there are Zorro slots, I've gotta have an RTG board and probably also Ethernet.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2011, 01:35:43 AM »
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If there are Zorro slots, I've gotta have an RTG board and probably also Ethernet.


ditto on the RTG and Ethernet
 

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Re: Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2011, 03:21:50 AM »
Like Picasso96?

I know the A500 doesn't have native Zorro bus. However there's plenty of PCBs that will fix that. ;)
 

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Re: Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2011, 03:39:05 AM »
Guys, if you want RTG graphics, you should want PCI or PCI-Express, NOT Zorro.

If you want Memory (ZorRAM), you want that via a more native addon, NOT Zorro. (I don't know how much is in FPGA Arcade directly)

If you want ethernet, is there not already a native addon planned that includes ethernet? But again, PCI/PCIe should be preferrable to Zorro.

Again for Deneb, is there not already USB port on a native FPGA Arcade addon? (I want to think it is on 68060 addon, along with ethernet) Why go Zorro compared to native or PCI?

Are or can be FPGA Arcade addons stackable?

The things I would think hardest to live without would be Video Toaster companions such as the Flyer board. But then we need a video slot for Toaster too. Does anyone really plan to use a toaster kit with the FPGA board?

I think it wold be an interesting project to make a Zorro slot for FPGA Arcade, as an educational exercise, but I don't expect it would be of much practical use. Though I won't be one to discourage anyone wishing to try. (I'm one wishing to try, if nothing more than to learn how to do such things)

I think it would be good to see people working on native addons for popular things like ethernet, USB, SCSI or whatever, rather than trying to adapt unweildy Zorro cards for normal use onto such a petite host.
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Re: Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 05:07:21 AM »
Deneb is without a doubt my best investment.

Any scan converter to use with available monitors is probably the top thing though.  Without that or digging up an old monitor you're out of luck.  Sort of the same thing with the Deneb and keyboard/mouse.

RTG of some sort is right up there near the top.

I'd say a PCI adapter, but the only thing I use it for is RTG.
 

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Re: Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2011, 05:59:26 AM »
The FPGA Replay has 32 MB DRAM which should be enough for many applications. For ethernet the board space needed is PHY+Jack w magnetics so it's easier to have it on base board.
FPGA Replay has USB which is wired to the ARM according to the schematic page 2, but if it's available for AmigaOS is another matter ;)

There is only one experimental add-on board with MC68060 socket and Ethernet asfaik. And it's not stackable. But there shouldn't be anything that prevent such design.

The video toaster flyer would need an external video A/D + D/A. Dunno how fast the original 3x disk interfaces was but maybe the SD-card can do. Otherwise an Spartan-6 rocketport can connect one S-ATA disc per two differential ports. Processing power is another matter.

Storage over IDE / SCSI is easily implemented in the FPGA without any physical incarnation.
 

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Re: Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2011, 07:29:48 AM »
Quote from: billt;638059
Guys, if you want RTG graphics, you should want PCI or PCI-Express, NOT Zorro.
1) There is no PCI-Express solution for classic Amiga's? (cept I guess you could use a standard PCI->PCIe bridge)
2) All PCI bridgeboards for classic computers bridge to the Amiga via Zorro.
3) There are no / few software developers for classic AmigaOS these days. Any new hardware would require new drivers. Old hardware can use pre-existing drivers.

Quote from: billt;638059
If you want Memory (ZorRAM), you want that via a more native addon, NOT Zorro.
ZorRAM you can buy new. Native accelerators you cannot?

Quote from: billt;638059
If you want ethernet, is there not already a native addon planned that includes ethernet? But again, PCI/PCIe should be preferrable to Zorro.
See answer above.

Quote from: billt;638059
Again for Deneb, is there not already USB port on a native FPGA Arcade addon? (I want to think it is on 68060 addon, along with ethernet) Why go Zorro compared to native or PCI?
Why have you pushed this thread to be about FPGA Arcade? Is this somehow linked to another thread? [Edit: Ah I've found it. Would have been nice if freqmax had mentioned this in his first post]

For the price of an "FPGA arcade + 060" you could probably buy one of each Zorro card ever made?
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Re: Must have Zorro cards or other hw?
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2011, 07:59:04 AM »
Hmmm going ONLY off of the cards I've owned, I have to say the Piccasso IV was the major improvment that I'd keep over all others.
 
AS for this thread, It's title is asking about Zorro cards, not the Best world sollution. IF we were going for that, we wouldn't really be talking classic HW in the first place. ;)
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